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Originally posted by SibylofErythrae
There is no reason why circumcision must be done a birth.
If there is a religious reason to do it, it could be done when the person is old enough to make the decision themselves. Since the men who originally did it were men, they had the option to do so. There after teens could choose to do it.
Just because some groups find more compliance if they do it before someone can object doesn't mean that it has to be done there. There is no religious point suggesting it has to be done without consent.
sorry bro', when one tear is shed the whole world cries.
I don't believe children are the property of their parents. If I witness child abuse, I'm gonna find it hard not to step in.
Of course, I'm not gonna get in your personal face about the circumcision of your kids, but I can applaud a consensus in a modern, intelligent society to raise the bar a little, and hope that those who still practice ritual surgery on newborns will take a moment and think about it.
As I said before, society in whole has the right and the duty to protect defensless children from abusive parents. Cutting their weewee's for their own pleasure or because of old folk tales is by definition abuse.
So yes I do worry about your babies foreskins. You should just as much worry about every babies well being.
Any benefit doesn't come from infant circumcision. It just come from circumcision. Which means that letting your children make their own decisions when they get older has no consequences.
Do not be over eager to have sex until your circumcision has healed, which will normally take up to six weeks.
I would like you to now prove that there is not residual psycho-sexual trauma from forced unnecessary surgery. Because if there is, then the effect of residual latent psycho-sexual trauma on most boys and men in society would have a FASCINATING impact, don't you think?
Originally posted by Aim64C
Really? Where's the worldly sympathy for the loss of my parents who had three children (including myself); me just entering legal adulthood and my brothers not even into their teens?
Take that bovine fecal matter and stuff it down your throat.
There's a clear difference between abuse and parental choice.
Go picket someplace where there's actually a case of abuse.
The issue is whether or not a government has the power to outlaw circumcision.
I find it odd that so many members of a conspiracy forum find it to be a wise idea to empower the government to make laws regarding the medical procedures you can or cannot choose to receive or administer to your children.
Originally posted by SuperFrog
Wait, I pointed to source why circumcision will benefit my children, and you all are talking about new research, but nobody provided any link or sources for those 'new' research.
In this case, my experience and knowlege is that circumcision is an unnecessary ritual that removes a functional, useful and healthy part of the human anatomy, carried out for the most part by Jews and Muslims as a religious ritual or by Americans as a fashion/conformancy statement (hidden sometimes amongst some very debatable allopathic PR).
Originally posted by SibylofErythrae
Beign a parent means that you should recognize that your six year old son is probably not going to be having any religious experiences due to the lack of a foreskin. Nor is he likely to be contracting STDS, and the other potential problems are often due to lack of hygiene.
So while I'm delighted at your idea that my parental role is to not respect my children's humanity, I'm also delighted to know that you'd like to fix lack of hygiene with a scalpel.
People have made decisions based on the information they had available. I get it. More information is now available. The primary reason people are doing it is to make their sons like Daddy.edit on 11-7-2012 by SibylofErythrae because: (no reason given)
Not at all just dont think that you and others that have been cut/mutilated are in anyway superior in any aspect.
Originally posted by sputniksteve
reply to post by Shadow Herder
It's like you are trying your hardest to make me feel bad or unworthy. Its really weird.
We get it, you are better than us. I don't think you need to keep repeating it.
**edit** Something I thought of that will probably blow your mind, until this thread I always thought YOU were the weird one. I have never met an uncut guy, I have never been with a woman that was with an uncut guy. Where I am from, you are the odd man out, not me!
Call it what you will but I am just how God (or whatever ) created me.
I could start calling you snuffaluffagus penis but that wouldn't get us anywhere would it?