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Religious circumcision of kids a crime - German court

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posted on Jul, 21 2012 @ 10:33 AM
reply to post by Aim64C

The comparison with abortion is also a faulty one. With medically unnecessary abortion, or back-alley abortion, the woman endangers only herself. There is also the fact that childbirth is far more dangerous than abortion (so net effect is a reduction in danger), and abortion arguably results in benefits because having unwanted child is a negative.

With medically unnecessary (or back-alley) circumcision, the parent unnecessarily endangers third person - the child. And having a foreskin cannot be compared in harm to having an unwanted birth, because its no harm at all.

posted on Jul, 27 2012 @ 09:39 PM

Graphic photos of what two types of infant circumcisions look like, and the difference between an adult male circ'ed and uncirc'ed.

If we surgically amputate the eyelids or fingernails, we will face the repercussions of making an organ that was designed to be internal, external. In order to survive this damage, the organ must adapt. To do so, a variety of features will change (both immediately, and progressively over the years): pH will be altered, temperature will no longer remain stable in that organ, moisture and lubrication levels will not be maintained, leading to dryness and potential chapping, antibodies and healthy microflora that previously served to protect will cease to exist, and callusing (the build-up of multiple hardened layers of skin) will take place. Our body may attempt to heal itself by forming skin bridges or re-adhesions over the amputation site. Our eyeballs and fingertips would become thick, dry, discolored, and no longer function in the manner they were designed to.

posted on Jul, 27 2012 @ 09:51 PM
There are very good links in here too.

How male circumscision effects females during intercourse and vaginal health:
Includes a very interesting link to a site and book which are very specific about the sexual harm that circumcision is doing to people's sex lives. Interestingly, it might be decreasing sexual enjoyment in marriage for women.

Many societies have seen genital mutilation as a way to try to control sexuality. Female circumcision in Africa is still used to decrease women's desire today [and was used in the United States until the 1960s as well], while the U.S. started circumcision among men in an effort to curb men's desire to masturbate.

Back in the 12th century, Moses Maimonides, a rabbi, said circumcision could control men's desires for sex. He also said women were less likely to leave an intact man once they had had sex with him, which is consistent with what these 2oth century researchers found.

Apparently this isn't new knowledge.

So by docking your boys, you might be decreasing marital bonds later in life.

Butterfly wings become tornadoes.

posted on Jul, 27 2012 @ 11:01 PM
Interesting sarcasm. No wait just silliness masquerading as profundity.

posted on Aug, 11 2012 @ 07:54 AM
reply to post by Maslo

This is a ridiculous analogy.

Yet logically identical.

Braces are placed by a medical professional to correct a diagnosed pathology.

Incorrect. They are applied to correct a perceived pathology. Many applications of braces are medically unnecessary and are merely cosmetic.

Both procedures are done my medical professionals.

No medical professional will give you braces if you do not have a medical diagnosis that requires them.


According to the National Institutes of Health, most misaligned bites (technically known as malocclusions) are so minor that they do not require treatment. Yet, currently, nearly 4 million children under the age of 18 in the U.S. and Canada are wearing some kind of braces. Their parents are paying anywhere from $3,000 for a basic set to upwards of $10,000 for newer "invisible" braces.

How many of those sets of braces are truly necessary? No one's really sure. But Timothy Wheeler, DMD, PhD, professor and chair of the Department of Orthodontics at the University of Florida, is trying to find out. He's in the midst of long-term research, funded by the National Institutes of Health, on the timing of orthodontic intervention.

Wheeler says that the most common malocclusion -- affecting perhaps as many as 90 percent of children -- is overcrowding, usually of the bottom teeth. "Mild crowding doesn't have to be addressed at all," he says. And more severe crowding may improve on its own when your child's jaw grows to its full adult size. Even if it doesn't improve, there's generally no harm in waiting until the late teens or early 20s to begin treatment.

And crooked teeth are very often far more than simple cosmetic issue. Improper occlusion can lead to all kinds of dental problems down the road. It is also required to have them while the child is growing up, so there is a reason to give them to children. There is no reason circumcision cannot wait until adulthood.

Well, Dr. Wheeler disagrees with you. And not just Dr. Wheeler. A number of studies contradict these dogmatic teachings.

Unless having a foreskin is recongnised as a pathological condition, it cannot be compared to having crooked teeth in any way.

If the natural status of the teeth do not pose a medical problem that must be treated immediately - then why should parents be allowed to unilaterally enforce such a procedure?

Further, the degree of pathology is a question, here. How many people really have dental issues that -require- braces to ensure proper function. How many people have a foreskin that requires circumcision?

I would imagine the two figures are not nearly as different as you'd find convenient.

Of course - we are still drafting figures for both from research programs and cannot draw conclusions at the moment, but the point is just the same.

Where does a parent get off forcing a kid to wear braces while telling another parent that he/she can't circumcise a child?

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