Jesus Christ keeps us saved forever

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by JesuitGarlic

 

Really? The weekly Sabbath will be kept on the new Earth? Please explain how that will happen without a Sun or moon. The Sabbath was a day to rest and a prophetic picture of the New Covenant. We now worship the Lord in spirit and truth 7 days a week and keep every day holy and not just one. Paul told you not to judge others but you always insist on doing just that.

Try pay more attention to the posts

Isaiah 66:22-23 For as the new heaven and the new earth which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the Lord, so shall your seed and your name remain.
(23) and it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the Lord.

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Paul said not to judge those who keep the ceremonial law ordinances of Jewish feast days.....Get with the program

Originally posted by JesuitGarlic
reply to post by NOTurTypical

 

Or better yet, one day we try really hard to be holy and the other 6 days we can slack a little bit?

Are you judging/making fun out of me how I keep my Sabbath or what I do with the rest of my life when you don't even know me?

No, that wasn't specifically addressed to you. Why are you getting defensive? The Jews were ordered to keep one day holy above the other 6, not Gentile Christians. We were given a much more strict burden of keeping all 7 days holy unto the Lord.

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Hmmm... Collossians wasn't a Hebrew-Christian epistle. Please explain why Paul would he writing to Gentiles about the ceremonial feast Sabbaths post Acts 15 council?

Originally posted by JesuitGarlic
reply to post by troubleshooter

 

The Saturday/Sabbath you think you are keeping is an invention of Julius Caesar about 48 BC...
...who changed times and the law. (Dan 7:25)

Are you now calling Julius Caesar the Little Horn power that rules for 1260 years

You mean 1260 days don't you?

There is no year for a day principle in Daniel.

Gregorian calendar from Pope....

The Gregorian calendar is the same succession of days as the Julian calendar with different numbering.

Laws changed...erased the commandment for Idol Worship (split 10th commandment into 2 so that it still adds up to 10), changed the day of worship to the 'Holy' Sunday

The Jewish Rabbis in Babylon had already changes to a Roman week by the second century AD.

I would like to hear your explanation why the weekly Sabbath is to be kept in the New Heaven and on the New Earth????

My view of Revelation is as a Triumphalist aka Symbolic or Idealist...
...which means it is the triumph of Jesus Christ over all worldly powers/religions in symbolic form...
...using 600+ images and symbols from the Old Testament.

This is a past event...
...we are only waiting now for the disposition of the Father to say it is enough.

The Revelation of Jesus Christ was written while he was imprisoned on the Isle of Patmos...
...to the seven churches in Asia Minor...
...and written using the OT symbols so that the prison guards would not understand its meaning.

It tells us about what Jesus did.
In principle it tells us that every human system will fail ... including SAD SDAism!

You are trying to take an OT symbol and give it a future literal historical meaning...
...when all the law and the prophets were realized in Jesus...
...that is all it is saying.

reply to post by NOTurTypical

We're Gentiles ever a party to the first covenant in Exodus 20?

What would gentiles do with they followed the Hebrew God....???


What are the 'Gentiles' subject to now under the terms of the New Covenant

After the Old Covenant has come and gone we hear this from Isaiah as part of the new covenant promises"
'you will find your joy in the LORD, and I will cause you to ride on the heights of the land and to feast on the inheritance of your father Jacob.'
and
'I will bring to my holy mountain and give them joy in my house of prayer'
That was addressed to 'foreigners', meaning non-Jews/Gentiles (meaning us)

Guess what the terms are for receiving these promises?.....Keeping the 4th commandment the Sabbath

Isaiah 56:6,7 And foreigners who bind themselves to the LORD to serve him, to love the name of the LORD, and to worship him, all who keep the Sabbath without desecrating it and who hold fast to my covenant--these I will bring to my holy mountain and give them joy in my house of prayer...."

Isaiah 58:13,14
"If you keep your feet from breaking the Sabbath and from doing as you please on my holy day, if you call the Sabbath a delight and the LORD's holy day honorable, and if you honor it by not going your own way and not doing as you please or speaking idle words, then you will find your joy in the LORD, and I will cause you to ride on the heights of the land and to feast on the inheritance of your father Jacob." The mouth of the LORD has spoken.

Guess what the 'Gentiles' are also to observe now... Hebrews 4:9.

The Anchor Bible Dictionary states about the meaning of sabbatismos:

“The words ‘Sabbath rest” translate the [Greek] noun ‘sabbatismos,’ a unique word in the New Testament. This term appears also in Plutarch…for Sabbath observance, and in four postcanonical Christian writings which are not dependent on Hebrews 4:9, for seventh day ‘Sabbath celebration.’”
source

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Wait...

Isaiah was part of the new thingy?

How do you figure?

reply to post by troubleshooter

The Jewish Rabbis in Babylon had already changes to a Roman week by the second century AD.

And yet...

We have had occasion to investigate the results of the works of specialists in chronology and we have never found one of them that has ever had the slightest doubt about the continuity of the weekly cycle since long before the Christian era.
source: Letter regarding continuity of the weekly cycle, US Naval Observatory (Washington DC: March 12, 1932)

"By calculating the eclipses, it can be proven that no time has been lost and the creation days were seven, divided into 24 hours each."—Dr. Hinkley, The Watchman, July 1926 [Hinkley was a well-known astronomer].

"The human race never lost the septenary [seven day] sequence of week days and that the Sabbath of these latter times comes down to us from Adam, though the ages, without a single lapse."—Dr. Totten, professor of astronomy at Yale University.

"Seven has been the ancient and honored number among the nations of the earth. They have measured their time by weeks from the beginning. The origin of this was the Sabbath of God, as Moses has given the reasons for it in his writings."—Dr. Lyman Coleman.

"There has been no change in our calendar in past centuries that has affected in any way the cycle of the week."—James Robertson, Director American Ephemeris, Navy Department, U.S. Naval Observatory, Washington, D.C., March 12, 1932.

"It can be said with assurance that not a day has been lost since Creation, and all the calendar changes notwithstanding, there has been no break in the weekly cycle."—Dr. Frank Jeffries, Fellow of the Royal Astronomical Society and Research Director of the Royal Observatory, Greenwich, England.

Originally posted by Akragon
reply to post by JesuitGarlic

 

Wait...

Isaiah was part of the new thingy?

How do you figure?

All the promises that are made and the terms of those promises that occur after the time of the Old Covenant becomes part of the terms of the New Covenant (new agreement over the terms of the Law) all the way up to the point of when the crucifixion takes place. Between those two times all the terms of the New Covenant are given, nothing can be added after that point.

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My view of Revelation is as a Triumphalist aka Symbolic or Idealist

Yes, YOUR view

...that is all it is saying.

No,that is all 'it' is saying from YOUR view

You are trying to take an OT symbol and give it a future literal historical meaning

It is called Hebrew parallelism....it is all throughout the Bible

Originally posted by JesuitGarlic
reply to post by troubleshooter

 

The Jewish Rabbis in Babylon had already changes to a Roman week by the second century AD.

And yet...

We have had occasion to investigate the results of the works of specialists in chronology and we have never found one of them that has ever had the slightest doubt about the continuity of the weekly cycle since long before the Christian era.
source: Letter regarding continuity of the weekly cycle, US Naval Observatory (Washington DC: March 12, 1932)

"By calculating the eclipses, it can be proven that no time has been lost and the creation days were seven, divided into 24 hours each."—Dr. Hinkley, The Watchman, July 1926 [Hinkley was a well-known astronomer].

"The human race never lost the septenary [seven day] sequence of week days and that the Sabbath of these latter times comes down to us from Adam, though the ages, without a single lapse."—Dr. Totten, professor of astronomy at Yale University.

"Seven has been the ancient and honored number among the nations of the earth. They have measured their time by weeks from the beginning. The origin of this was the Sabbath of God, as Moses has given the reasons for it in his writings."—Dr. Lyman Coleman.

"There has been no change in our calendar in past centuries that has affected in any way the cycle of the week."—James Robertson, Director American Ephemeris, Navy Department, U.S. Naval Observatory, Washington, D.C., March 12, 1932.

"It can be said with assurance that not a day has been lost since Creation, and all the calendar changes notwithstanding, there has been no break in the weekly cycle."—Dr. Frank Jeffries, Fellow of the Royal Astronomical Society and Research Director of the Royal Observatory, Greenwich, England.

It may be time you did some research and reading...
...a collection of documents hidden away at Andrews University was released a few years ago...
...here is a summary of the contents...

On November 7, 1938, the General Conference of Seventh-day Adventists appointed a Research Committee to investigate discrepancies in calendation.

The committee was comprised of SDA luminaries...

The Chair was Elder L. E. Froom, Secretary Dr. Lynn Harper Wood and committee members Dr. M. L. Andreasen, Professor M. E. Kern, Professor W. Homer Teesdale, Professor Albert W. Werline, Elder F. C. Gilbert and Miss Grace Amadon.

The report was delivered July, 9, 1939...
...present were all the General Conference members available, plus all the Union Presidents in the U.S., Bible teachers, Ministers and many others...
...the report started at 9:30 A.M. and the meeting ended about 10:00 P.M.

It was not done in a corner and all the issues were well understood...
...and the implications realized but it was decided not to trouble the church with it...
...so the paradox was allowed to continue unresolved.

Much of the research can be accessed through the Grace Amadon site...
www.4angelspublications.com...

The bottom line is that your beloved SDA church knew in 1939...
...that there was a problem with the Saturday/Sabbath reckoning...
...and have still allowed evangelists to continue preaching an unsustainable Mark of the Beast = Sunday since then.

It's time for you to Deny your Ignorance JG.

Originally posted by JesuitGarlic

Originally posted by Akragon
reply to post by JesuitGarlic

 

Wait...

Isaiah was part of the new thingy?

How do you figure?

All the promises that are made and the terms of those promises that occur after the time of the Old Covenant becomes part of the terms of the New Covenant (new agreement over the terms of the Law) all the way up to the point of when the crucifixion takes place. Between those two times all the terms of the New Covenant are given, nothing can be added after that point.

Im sorry, i think you're a bit confused...

but you have your beliefs... Stick to em..

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by JesuitGarlic

 

Hmmm... Collossians wasn't a Hebrew-Christian epistle. Please explain why Paul would he writing to Gentiles about the ceremonial feast Sabbaths post Acts 15 council?

I can't read Paul's mind I am afraid...take the issue up with those who write the Bible commentaries on what it means. I don't know the background going on enough for what provoked Paul to write it, but what he writes gets spelled out pretty clear by the commentaries.

Barnes' Notes on the Bible

Let no man, therefore, judge you - compare Romans 14:10, note, 13, note. The word judge here is used in the sense of pronouncing a sentence. The meaning is, "since you have thus been delivered by Christ from the evils which surrounded you: since you have been freed from the observances of the law, let no one sit in judgment on you, or claim the right to decide for you in those matters. You are not responsible to man for your conduct, but to Christ; and no man has a right to impose that on you as a burden from which he has made you free."

In meat - Margin, or eating and drinking. The meaning is, "in respect to the various articles of food and drink." There is reference here, undoubtedly, to the distinctions which the Jews made on this subject, implying that an effort had been made by Jewish teachers to show them that the Mosaic laws were binding on all.

Or in respect of a holy day - Margin, part. The meaning is, "in the part, or the particular of a holy day; that is, in respect to it" The word rendered "holy-day" - ἑορτὴ heortē - means properly a "feast" or "festival;" and the allusion here is to the festivals of the Jews. The sense is, that no one had a right to impose their observance on Christians, or to condemn them if they did not keep them. They had been delivered from that obligation by the death of Christ; Colossians 2:14.

Or of the new moon - On the appearance of the new moon, among the Hebrews, in addition to the daily sacrifices, two bullocks, a ram, and seven sheep, with a meat offering, were required to be presented to God; Numbers 10:10; Numbers 28:11-14. The new moon in the beginning of the month Tisri (October) was the beginning of their civil year, and was commanded to be observed as a festival; Leviticus 23:24, Leviticus 23:25.

Or of the Sabbath days - Greek, "of the Sabbaths." The word Sabbath in the Old Testament is applied not only to the seventh day, but to all the days of holy rest that were observed by the Hebrews, and particularly to the beginning and close of their great festivals. There is, doubtless, reference to those days in this place, since the word is used in the plural number, and the apostle does not refer particularly to the Sabbath properly so called. There is no evidence from this passage that he would teach that there was no obligation to observe any holy time, for there is not the slightest reason to believe that he meant to teach that one of the ten commandments had ceased to be binding on mankind. If he had used the word in the singular number - "the Sabbath," it would then, of course, have been clear that he meant to teach that that commandment had ceased to be binding, and that a Sabbath was no longer to be observed. But the use of the term in the plural number, and the connection, show that he had his eye on the great number of days which were observed by the Hebrews as festivals, as a part of their ceremonial and typical law, and not to the moral law, or the Ten Commandments. No part of the moral law - no one of the ten commandments could be spoken of as "a shadow of good things to come." These commandments are, from the nature of moral law, of perpetual and universal obligation.

Clarke's Commentary on the Bible

Let no man - judge you in meat, or in drink - The apostle speaks here in reference to some particulars of the hand-writing of ordinances, which had been taken away, viz., the distinction of meats and drinks, what was clean and what unclean, according to the law; and the necessity of observing certain holydays or festivals, such as the new moons and particular sabbaths, or those which should be observed with more than ordinary solemnity; all these had been taken out of the way and nailed to the cross, and were no longer of moral obligation. There is no intimation here that the Sabbath was done away, or that its moral use was superseded, by the introduction of Christianity. I have shown elsewhere that, Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy, is a command of perpetual obligation, and can never be superseded but by the final termination of time. As it is a type of that rest which remains for the people of God, of an eternity of bliss, it must continue in full force till that eternity arrives; for no type ever ceases till the antitype be come. Besides, it is not clear that the apostle refers at all to the Sabbath in this place, whether Jewish or Christian; his σαββατων, of sabbaths or weeks, most probably refers to their feasts of weeks, of which much has been said in the notes on the Pentateuch.

Jamieson-Fausset-Brown Bible Commentary

16. therefore-because ye are complete in Christ, and God in Him has dispensed with all subordinate means as essential to acceptance with Him.

meat . drink-Greek, "eating . drinking" (Ro 14:1-17). Pay no regard to any one who sits in judgment on you as to legal observances in respect to foods.

holyday-a feast yearly. Compare the three, 1Ch 23:31.

new moon-monthly.

the sabbath-Omit "THE," which is not in the Greek (compare Note, see on [2419]Ga 4:10). "Sabbaths" (not "the sabbaths") of the day of atonement and feast of tabernacles have come to an end with the Jewish services to which they belonged (Le 23:32, 37-39). The weekly sabbath rests on a more permanent foundation, having been instituted in Paradise to commemorate the completion of creation in six days. Le 23:38 expressly distinguished "the sabbath of the Lord" from the other sabbaths. A positive precept is right because it is commanded, and ceases to be obligatory when abrogated; a moral precept is commanded eternally, because it is eternally right. If we could keep a perpetual sabbath, as we shall hereafter, the positive precept of the sabbath, one in each week, would not be needed. Heb 4:9, "rests," Greek, "keeping of sabbath" (Isa 66:23). But we cannot, since even Adam, in innocence, needed one amidst his earthly employments; therefore the sabbath is still needed and is therefore still linked with the other nine commandments, as obligatory in the spirit, though the letter of the law has been superseded by that higher spirit of love which is the essence of law and Gospel alike (Ro 13:8-10).

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In keeping with the theme of the thread JG...
...if you were to die in your sleep tonight would you be right with God (ie saved)?

Originally posted by troubleshooter
reply to post by JesuitGarlic

 

In keeping with the theme of the thread JG...
...if you were to die in your sleep tonight would you be right with God (ie saved)?

yes

Originally posted by JesuitGarlic

Originally posted by troubleshooter
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In keeping with the theme of the thread JG...
...if you were to die in your sleep tonight would you be right with God (ie saved)?

yes

On what basis ... your keeping of the Ten Commandments?

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I will have a flick through the 'research' but trumpeting up these Adventist 'luminaries' means nothing to me generally because I just listened to the 2hr testimony from Alberto Rivera (and some others) saying how all around that period of time the highest levels of Adventism were penetrated by Jesuits. If these high up 'luminaries' can't even find the research that the 'US Naval Observatory' and 'Royal Observatory, Greenwich' has then it seems like they were trying to fail if anything...

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On what basis

Because I am living based on the best light that I have of God's plan for my life and how I am to love Him...That He is number 1 in my life, that God knows my heart and sincerity and will see Jesus standing in my place before the seat of judgment.

So far others have not been able to show that my 'light' is wrong despite me sincerely reading what they say...are they sincerely reading what I have to say though, that is between them and God to decide...I am just here to give the message and to correct misunderstandings (and hopefully my 'ego' doesn't trip me up too much in being effective in doing this along the way)

its about time I head back to my thread now...

Originally posted by JesuitGarlic
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On what basis

Because I am living based on the best light that I have of God's plan for my life and how I am to love Him...That He is number 1 in my life, that God knows my heart and sincerity and will see Jesus standing in my place before the seat of judgment.

So far others have not been able to show that my 'light' is wrong despite me sincerely reading what they say...are they sincerely reading what I have to say though, that is between them and God to decide...I am just here to give the message and to correct misunderstandings (and hopefully my 'ego' doesn't trip me up too much in being effective in doing this along the way)

its about time I head back to my thread now...

Everyone is saved on the same basis ... it is a gift of grace.

Ephesians 2:8-9 "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast."

None of your living by the light saves JG.

WHY IT IS RIGHT FOR CHRISTIANS TO MEET ON
SUNDAY, NOT SATURDAY, THE JEWISH SABBATH

Seventh Day Adventists accuse Christians of constantly breaking the fourth Commandment
to keep the Sabbath (Saturday) holy. Christians meet on the Sunday. Some Christians
keep every day holy. Why do we meet on the Sunday, not Saturday?
Five main reasons are:

1. Keeping the Saturday Sabbath was the sign of the Mosaic Covenant between
God and Jews only (Exodus 31:13,14,16,17).

i) "Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall
keep: for it is a sign between ME and YOU throughout your generations." Exodus
31:13.

ii) "Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath
throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant." Exodus 31:16.

iii) "It is a sign between ME and the children of Israel forever: for in six days the
LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was
refreshed." Exodus 31:17.
Also God reiterates this command in Ezekiel 20:12,20.

iv) "Moreover also I gave them my sabbaths, to be a sign between me and
them."Ezekiel 20:12.

v) "And hallow my sabbaths; and they shall be a sign between me and you."
Ezekiel 20:20.
Notice that God says on four occasions that sabbath-keeping is a sign between God
and Israel, and that the Sabbath is to be kept throughout their generations, forever.
"Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth ... the giving of the law..." Romans 9:4.

2. Early Church Writers Before 300 AD Observed Sunday.
They never once say that they observed Saturday. For example, Barnabas (100
AD), Ignatius (107 AD), Justin Martyr (145 AD), Tertullian (180 AD), Victorinus (280
AD), Bardaisan (154 AD), Cyprian (200 AD), Irenaeus (178 AD) all write that
Christians met on Sunday.
They never refer to Christian’s day of worship being the Saturday sabbath.
The Edict of Laodicea (320 AD) officially confirmed a long established practice.
This is significant because SDA's say that the Catholic church after 320 AD changed
Saturday worship to Sunday worship. This theory is nowhere found in Church Father’s
writings, but instead Sunday as the Christian day of worship has always been the rule.
The early church writers, many of whom were taught by the apostles, refer at least 14
times to Sunday as being the day of meeting together for worship.
The SDA Church has never successfully refuted these historical facts.

Church Fathers Observing SUNDAY, not SATURDAY, are:

1. Justin Martyr 100-165 AD (Volume 1, Page 186).
"And on the day called Sunday, all who live in cities or in the country gather
together to one place, and the memoirs of the apostles or the writings of the
prophets are read ... But Sunday is the day on which we all hold our common
assembly, because it is the first day on which God, having wrought a change in
the darkness and matter, made the world; and Jesus Christ our Saviour on the
same day rose from the dead."

2. Ignatius (110 AD), Bishop of Antioch.
“If then those who walk in the ancient practices attain to newness of hope, no
longer observing the Sabbath, but fashioning their lives after the Lord’s Day on
which our life also arose through Him, that we may be found disciples of Jesus
Christ, our only teacher.”

3. The Epistle of Barnabas 120-150 AD.
“Your new moons and your sabbaths I cannot endure”. Isaiah 1:13.
“You perceive how He speaks: your present sabbaths are not acceptable to me,
but that which I had made in giving rest to all things, I shall make a beginning of
the eighth day, that is a beginning of another world. Wherefore also, we keep
the eighth day with joyfulness, a day also in which Jesus rose from the dead.”

4. Bardaisan (born 154 AD).
“Wherever we be, all of us are called by the one name of the Messiah, namely
Christians and upon one day which is the first day of the week, we assemble
ourselves together and on the appointed days we abstain from food.”

5. The Teaching of the Apostles 160 AD (Volume 8, Page 668).
"The Apostles further appointed: On the first day of the week let there be
service and the reading of the Holy Scriptures, and the oblation: because on the
first day of the week our Lord rose from the place of the dead, and on the first
day of the week He arose upon the world, and on the first day of the week He
ascended up to heaven.”

6. Tertullian 150-240 AD (Volume 3, Page 70).
"The Holy Spirit upbraids the Jews with their holy-days. Your Sabbaths, and new
moons, and ceremonies" says He, "My soul hateth." By us, to whom Sabbaths
are strange, and the new moons and festivals formerly beloved by God ..."

7. Cyprian, Bishop of Carthage, 200-258 AD.
“The Lord’s Day is both the first and the eighth day.”

8. Ad Nationes 217 AD (Volume 3, Page 123).
“Others, with greater regard to good manners, it must be confessed, suppose
that the sun is the God of the Christians, because it is a well known fact that we
pray towards the east, or because we make Sunday a day of festivity.”

9. Victorinus 280 AD (Volume 7, Page 342).
"And let the parasceve become a rigorous fast, lest we should appear to
observe any Sabbath with the Jews, which Christ Himself, the Lord of the
Sabbath, says by His prophets that "His soul hateth;” which Sabbath He in His
body abolished, although, nevertheless, He had formerly Himself commanded
Moses that circumcision should not pass over the eighth day, which day very
frequently happens on the Sabbath, as we read written in the Gospel.”

10. Irenaeus, Bishop of Lyons, 155 AD (Volume 8, Page 773).
"The mystery of the Lord’s resurrection may not be celebrated any other day than
on the Lord’s Day.”
Revelation 1:10.
They reason that since “the Son of Man is Lord also of the Sabbath” (Mark 2:27,28),
when John says that he “was in the Spirit on the Lord’s Day” (Revelation 1:10). Jesus
was just saying in Mark 2:28 that as Lord of all, He could do as He pleased on the
Sabbath Day.
Early Christian writers never once say that Saturday was their common day of
worship.

3. Early Christians Met on the First Day of the Week, Sunday, in:

i) "And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to
break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow." Acts
20:7.
Early Christians met on Sunday for their agape love feast, followed by the Lord’s
Supper.

ii) "Now concerning the collection for the saints, as I have given order to the
churches of Galatia, even so do ye. Upon the first day of the week let every
one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him ..." 1 Corinthians 16:2.
Early Christians, who met on Sunday, were to give money in the collection.
They did not meet on Saturday. This order was also given to the churches of
Galatia who met on Sunday.

iii) "Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors
were shut where the disciples were assembled ... Jesus stood in the midst, and
saith unto them, Peace be unto you." John 20:19.
“After eight days again his disciples were within, then came Jesus ..." John
20:26.
Jesus appeared on the Sunday, as well as the following Sunday that the
disciples met.
Sunday Monday Tuesday Wednesda
y
Thursday Friday Saturday
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8

4. Paul When Discussing Sabbath-Keeping Never Commands Christians to Keep
the Sabbath, which He Surely Would Have if it was Meant for Christians.

i) "One man esteemeth one day above another (Seventh Day Adventists): another
esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind."
Romans 14:5.
"he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it." Romans
14:6.
Note: Paul here had a great chance to say "you must meet on Saturday", but he
did not state either day as mandatory. Why did Paul not command sabbathkeeping
here? Nor should we.

ii) "Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday,
or of the new moon, or of the SABBATH DAYS." Colossians 2:16. Jews
protested Sunday keeping.
Note: Don't judge people as being wrong because they don't keep the Jewish
Sabbath.

iii) "Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is."
Heb. 10:25.
No mention here of the need to keep Sabbath Saturday.

5. Sixteen Times we are told that the MOSAIC LAW is FINISHED for Believers.
KEY: The Mosaic Law (including sabbath) is compared to a dead husband (Rom.
7:1-4), a prison (Gal. 3:23), and a schoolmaster (Gal. 3:24-25).
Question: SDA's say "But aren't we supposed to keep the Mosaic 10 Commandments
laws?"
Answer: We are not under the Mosaic law, but under a different law in the Church
Age, "the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus"(Rom.8:2;Gal.6:2) which is an internal
Holy Spirit motivated law.
Sabbath keeping is never mentioned as part of this law.

i) "Ye are not under law, but under grace ..." Romans 6:14,15 and Galatians 5:18.

ii) “Ye are dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to
another (ie. to Christ).” Romans 7:1-4.
Note: As a woman is bound by the law to her husband as long as he lives, yet if
the husband is dead, she is FREE FROM that LAW (v.2,3). So, Christians are
become DEAD TO THE LAW, by the body of Christ, and we are MARRIED TO
ANOTHER (Jesus Christ).
The Law is likened to the dead husband. This means that Christians'
relationship to the Law has been severed.

iii) "Now we are DELIVERED FROM THE LAW, that being dead wherein we were
held; that we should serve in NEWNESS OF SPIRIT, and not in the oldness of
the letter." Romans 7:6.
“Oldness of the letter” of the law is not how we serve. This states that:
a) We are delivered from the law,
b) the law is dead, which held us,
c) we now serve in newness of the Law of the Spirit.

iv) “The LAW of the SPIRIT OF LIFE in Christ Jesus has made me FREE from the
LAW OF SIN and DEATH.” Romans 8:2.
This means that now we have Christ, we have the Holy Spirit, and we operate
under a different law, the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus. We are now
FREE from the Mosaic law of sin and death.
v.4 The righteousness of the law is possible to be fulfilled in us, who walk not
after the flesh, but after the Spirit (by yielding to the leading of the Spirit daily).
v.9 Ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell
in you.

v) “Christ is the END (5056) OF THE LAW for righteousness to every one that
believeth.” Romans 10:4. Note: “END” (5056) means “termination, completion
in respect to time.”
“The law as a demanded obligation has come to an end because Jesus has
fulfilled its demands and imparted his righteousness to those who believe. Christ
has freed believers from its tyranny. The standards of righteousness come to us
now not from outside by imposition, but from inside by the Spirit who writes
the law upon our hearts.”
_ The Complete New Testament Word Study Dictionary, by Spiros Zodhiates.
Page 1376.
We are now under a NEW LAW from WITHIN called:
a) The Law of the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus. Romans 8:2.
b) Bear ye one another’s burdens, and so fulfil the Law of Christ.
c) Whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty. John 13:34; James 1:25;
Galatians 6:2.
d) If ye fulfil the royal law.“Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself” ye do well.
James 2:8

vi) In Galatians 3:23-25 Paul describes the law as:
a) a PRISON.“before faith came, we were KEPT UNDER THE LAW, SHUT
UP.” v.23
We were shut up in the prison of the law, until faith in Christ came. Then we
were released from the prison of law by Christ, to serve in newness of Spirit.

vii) b) a SCHOOLMASTER that controlled us until Christ came.
“the LAW was our SCHOOLMASTER (3807 a strict, disciplining slave who
led boys from home to school) to bring us unto Christ, that we might be
justified by faith.”v.24
But after that faith is come, we are "NO LONGER under a schoolmaster.”
v.25.
Note carefully: The Law brought conviction of sin to bring us to be saved by
faith in Christ. Now that we are saved, we are NO LONGER under the
Mosaic Law. This means that we are no longer under the Sabbath-keeping
Law.

viii) Colossians 2:14 “Blotting out the handwriting of ORDINANCES (1378) that
was against us,…and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross.”
Ordinances contained the Ten Commandments as Eph. 2:15 and Hebrews
9:1-4 states.

ix) Ephesians 2:15 “Having ABOLISHED (2673) in his flesh the enmity, even the
LAW (3551) of COMMANDMENTS contained in ordinances (1378) ...”
Ordinance (1378) dogma means decree of the Mosaic Law, external
precepts.
Law (3551) (“nomos” in Greek) means laws of the Mosaic statues, including:
a) laws of civil rights and duties, marriage, Levitical priesthood.
b) laws of external religious rites eg. purification, circumcision, sacrifices.
c) laws of hearts and conduct of men.
d) a code or body of laws.
Abolished (2673) (“katargeo” in Greek) means to destroy, cause to cease,
do away with, put an end to, a complete cessation. Therefore, Christ
completely abolished the Mosaic statutes, code and body of laws, contained
in decrees.
Note: Christ ABOLISHED the LAW OF COMMANDMENTS.

x) Hebrews 9:1-4 “The first covenant had ORDINANCES of divine service….For
there was a tabernacle made; the first, wherein was the candlestick, and the
table, and the shewbread; which is called the sanctuary…..the TABLES OF THE
COVENANT.” (See Heb. 8:13).
The first covenant had ordinances which contained the tables of the
covenant (10 Comm).
Since the first covenant has vanished (Heb.8:13), the ordinances are taken
away (Col.2:14), so the 10 Commandments are abolished (Eph.2:15) as they are
in first cov. & ordinances.(9:1-4

xi) “For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a CHANGE
ALSO OF THE LAW.” Hebrews 7:12.
Note: The priesthood is changed from Levitical (v.11) to Christ. Therefore the
Law of sin and death, is changed to the Law of the Spirit of Life in Christ
(Romans 8:2).
The Levitical priests received their authority from the Old Testament law, and
since the Levitical priesthood has been changed, the Law has been changed.
The Mosaic Law made no provision for a priest from Judah (Hebrews 7:14), so
the entire system of Old Testament law has been changed and fulfilled in
Jesus Christ and has therefore been taken out of the way (“Blotting out the
handwriting of ordinances that was against us..and took it out of the way” and,
“Let no man judge you in..sabbath days.” Colossians 2:14,16).
The believer has been set free from the law (Gal.5:1-6),& is dead to the law
(Rom. 7:1-4)

Objection: But does this mean that I am “free to sin?”

Answer: No. “Free from the law” does not mean “free to sin,” but it means “free
to do the will of God.” We obey, not because of outward compulsion, but
because of the inward constraint of the love for Christ (2 Corinthians 5:14)
doing the will of God from the heart (Ephesians 6:6). The indwelling Holy Spirit
enables us to fulfil the “righteousness of the Law” as we yield to him (Romans
8:1-4).

xii) “There is verily a DISANNULLING of the COMMANDMENT going before for the
weakness and unprofitableness thereof.” Hebrews 7:18.
Note: The Old Testament Law is now DISANNULLED (115) (CANCELLED) by
Christ.

xiii) “He TAKETH AWAY the FIRST (Mosaic Covenant with Old Testament law,
sabbath-keeping, etc) that he may ESTABLISH the SECOND (the New
Testament new covenant of Christ).” Hebrews 10:9.

xiv) “If ye are led of the Spirit, YE are NOT UNDER the LAW.” Galatians 5:18.
A Godly life is not lived under the rules of the Law, but is a life led by the Holy
Spirit.

xv) “Certain have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, ye must be
circumcised, and KEEP THE LAW: to whom WE GAVE NO SUCH
COMMANDMENT.” Acts 15:19,20,24.
Note: The Apostles never commanded us to keep the law of the Sabbath day,
because we are under the law of the Spirit of life.
Seventh Day Adventists are like Judaisers who trouble people with words and
subvert people’s souls, saying, “You must keep the law of the Sabbath day” or
you’re not saved.

xvi) “But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones (10
Commandments), was glorious,….which glory was to be done away: (v.7)…For
if the ministration of condemnation (10 Commandments) be glory….(v.9) For if
that which is done away was glorious (10 Commandments engraven in stones),
much more that which remaineth (New Covenant) is glorious (v.11).” (II
Corinthians 3:7,9,11).
“Done away” (v.11) is “katargoumenon” (Gk) meaning that the 10
Commandments law has “ceased, put an end to, abolished, done away with”-
Barnes).It gave way to the law of Christ.

Question 1: But doesn’t the Law refer to the Ceremonial Law only, and not to the
Ten Commandments?

Answer: NO because:
a) Romans 7:7 gives us an example of the Law as "Thou shalt not covet" (the
tenth commandment).
"What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin,
but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not
covet."
If it is true that number 10 is dead to us, then it is also true that number 4 is dead
to us also.

b) 2 Corinthians 3:7-11(engraven in stones),

c) Ephesians 2:15 (commandments),

d) Hebrews 9:1-4 (The first covenant had…tables of the covenant; 8:13 ‘ready to
vanish’).

Question to Sabbath-keepers:
“Ye shall kindle NO FIRE throughout your habitations UPON THE SABBATH
DAY.” Exodus 35:3. Note: Seventh Day Adventists break the Old Testament
sabbath by cooking food, burning a gas fire, driving a car with internal
combustion etc, on Saturday.

Question to Sabbath-keepers:
Every one of the 10 Commandments, except number four, “Keep the Sabbath
day holy” are repeated to be kept by Christians in the New Testament.
We ask, “Why did God see fit to repeat every commandment except number
four? Did God forget to repeat number 4, while he took pains to repeat the other
nine? Is God forgetful?"
1. 1 Thessalonians 1:9 Ye turned to God from idols, to serve the living and true
God.
2. Galatians 5:20 Works of flesh are ... idolatry.
3. 1 Timothy 1:20 That they may learn not to blaspheme.
4. [NOT COMMANDED IN THE NEW TESTAMENT]
5. Ephesians 6:1-3 Honour thy father and mother.
6. Galatians 5:21 Works of flesh ... murderers.
7. Galatians 5:19 Works of flesh ... adultery.
8. Ephesians 4:28 Let him that stole, steal no more.
9. Ephesians 4:15 Speaking the truth in love. (Titus 2:3 Not false
accusers)...
Ephesians 4:25 Putting away lying, speak every man the truth ..
10. Ephesians 5:5 Nor covetous man who is an idolater.
Hebrews 13:5 Let your conversation be without covetousness.

Conclusion:

1. 15 times we are told that the Mosaic Law is finished for believers:
Romans 6:14,15 "ye are not under law."
Romans 7:1-4 "dead to the law .. married to another." (Law is like a dead husband).
Romans 7:6 "we are delivered from law."
Romans 8:2 "the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the
law of sin and death."
Romans 10:4 "Christ is the end of the law ... to every one that believeth."
II Corinthians 3:7,9,11. “written and engraven in stones…………….was to be done
away.”
Galatians 3:23 "we were kept under the law, shut up" (like in prison).
Galatians 3:24,25 "after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster"
(law).
Galatians 5:18 "ye are not under the law."
Ephesians 2:15 "Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of
commandments contained in ordinances;"
Colossians 2:14 “Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us,took it
out of the way”
Hebrews 9:1-4,10 “The first covenant had ordinances of divine service, the tables of the
covenant;”
Hebrews 7:12 "priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change
also of the law”
Hebrews 7:18 "there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before .."
Hebrews 10:9 "He taketh away the first (Mosaic law), that he may establish the
second." (new covenant)

2. There is no reference anywhere by the Ante-Nicene church writers of Christians
meeting on the Saturday before 320 AD. Some of these men were taught by the
Apostles. Did the Apostles get it wrong? Not likely. The early church writers refer at
least ten times to SUNDAY being the day of meeting together for worship.

3. Saturday Sabbath was the sign of the Mosaic Covenant between God and the Jews
only. (Exodus 31:13,16,17; Ezekiel 20:12,20).

4. Early Christians met on the first day of the week, Sunday in:
Acts 20:7 "upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break
bread, "
1 Corinthians 16:1,2 " upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him
in store.."
John 20:19,26 "... being the first day of the week, ..".

5. Paul when discussing Sabbath keeping, never commands Christians to keep the
Sabbath, which he surely would have done if it was important for Christians as SDA's
insist. (Romans 14:5,6; Colossians 2:16,17; Hebrews 10:24,25). Paul’s visits to
synogogues on Saturdays were just to witness to Jews. He fellowshipped with
Christians on Sunday. He never commanded Christians to attend church on Saturday.
Keep meeting on Sunday as the early Christians teach us.

What commentaries are those? Did you find the most obscure Adventist commentators you could possibly find? And btw, Hebrews is addressed to two different classes of people. Unconverted Jews and newly converted Jews.