why I hate evolution..

Originally posted by Tbrooks76

Originally posted by luciddream

creation is just a "man... i have no frking clue how that happened, so im gonna say GOD!" man's theory.

likewise evoltion is the same boat.....we have no clue where life came from, so will just say it created itself.

See, you keep calling this initial event a "miracle" event that is impossible, as if this proves we evolutionists have no credible evidence, but then fail to realise that all of religion is base don these same events... which you clearly accept as truth.....ever read your biblical text before? It is purely based on several of these same "miracle " events.... really dude... give up... you have been battered......

Your hypocrisy is astounding....

It's a simple argument really....

Evolution = Large % based on observalve evidence.

Creationism = 0% testable evidence.

Ignorance = 100% unquestionable belief in something that you cannot ever prove...

PA

Why I hate the theory of Gravity.

It makes me fall down and hurt myself.

It lets bombs fall and war is bad.

Without this theory I could fly and that would be cool.

All these theories keep messing with my worldview and I -do not- appreaciate it.

I've said it before in another thread that it's pointless trying to argue with creationists.
The dogma from their little book is so far ingrained into their whole thought process that it essentially blocks all rational argument getting in. And conversely any rational thoughts being let out!

Anyway, let them believe what they wish to believe and the rest of us can evolve in peace (relatively speaking that is).

reply to post by Tbrooks76


The problem here is this as I see it....

In order to understand Evolution you have to actually study it, to immerse youself in the chemical and scientific processes/explanations.... This involves much work and much reading, which most people just cannot manage.... This makes it very difficult for Creationists to really grasp a decent understanding of the basic mechanisms.. Which coupled with their inherent ability to ignore evidence to fit their hypothesis, makes the task of arguing, for them, extremely difficult....

In order to understand Creationism, well.... it's simple really. God created everything.

It is therefore MUCH easier for scientists to take part in this argument and to argue effectively...

We understand the processes by which your theory evolved...

You do not understand ours, in the slightest... or so it appears from all that has gone above......

Personally I like to quote the film "Dogma" when formulating my ideas....

"People should just have an "idea" when it comes to the bigger questions of life, it's having a BELIEF that causes all the problems.... people are willing to DIE for a belief, no-one ever died for having an idea"

PA

PA

Originally posted by Barcs
This thread another perfect example of somebody who knows pretty much nothing about science, attempting to debunk it based on nothing more than misunderstandings and lies about the theory. This nonsense has been posted time and time again on here, with the same misunderstandings and the same lies. Can we please end the war on science already? Something isn't automatically true because a creationist website says so. Instead of attacking science, try focusing on the positives of your beliefs. The attack is not justified, and is certainly not what Jesus would do, whether he disagreed or not. They teach evolution in science class, because it's SCIENCE, and evolution doesn't claim life created itself.

edit on 18-6-2012 by Barcs because: (no reason given)

Need I say more... Excellently constructed and eloquently stated.... Well done sir!

PA

reply to post by MrXYZ

So according to you, the theory of gravity can't be proven either...just like all of medicine can't be proven either. Why? Because the big bang creates the "environment". That makes NO SENSE WHATSOEVER!

Gravity is a theory, I probable know more about then most. It’s testable and proven, why it works it different story. It even has a mathematicall constant "G" . Evolving from one ancestor to man has not been, it doesn't even have a constant theory.

No, what I'm saying is that there are various hypothesis regarding how life started (abiogenesis, god, etc.), and once life started (no matter how it happened), evolution took over and resulted in the biodiversity we see today.

It doesn't matter how life started, biodiversity is still proven to happen through evolution. I say proven because we have objective evidence backing it up, and we're actively applying the theory in modern medicine.

Abiogenesis, god, etc….abiogenesis is life starting from inorganic matter, so life starting itself. So what is the “etc”, you only have two options God or life created itself…both are extraordinary. What’s happen is in evolution we have only got parts of the picture then are trying to connect the dots, but the dots can connect to forum more than one picture.

That's simply not true. A creationist is simply not educated enough to see the difference in those fossils. Show me one fossil that looks exactly like an animal alive today

Here is bunch…
islamickorner.net...
islamickorner.net...
islamickorner.net...
islamickorner.net...

There is ZERO objective evidence suggesting a creator was involved. But yeah, DNA proves common ancestry.

Sure there is, there is 4 pages of it above, and that is a fraction of the information you can find if you look.

No, it really doesn't "favor creationism"...please tell me how it does.

And that's what I mean with migratory trends...they are crucial for gene dispersement:

I really don’t enough on migration patterns to comment too much. Its something I will look into, but if are talking about animal behavior symbiosis doesn’t really have a good explanation in Evolution
And here is the population growth info..
www.ldolphin.org...

I haven't made this up...speciation is the official term for what creationists call "macroevolution". And the word "species" is as old as Plato for crying out loud

Oh, and evolution doesn't work like you seem to believe. There won't be a horn growing from one generation to the next. Evolution is a gradual change over many many generations. Again...please...read the introduction article about evolution on Wiki. If you make posts like this it's abundantly clear you don't really understand the theory in the first place.

You know, I hate that term miroevolution that some creationist use, Why they coined this term I’ll never know. Miroevolution is that animals can adapt to environment base on what genetic information is already available with in there DNA At no time does a single piece of new, ADDITIONAL genetic information develop or evolve. An example of this Bacteria resistance… from an evolutionist…Bacteria don’t “develop” resistance, as if it were a muscle nurtured by going to a microbial gym. Instead, they had it all along, or more accurately a small proportion of them did.

Ok work is pulling me away from the forum…busy today, will post more later.

Evolutionist simply make up this crap that evolution is not based on theories with observations.They will deny it all the time and it is absurd.Evolutionist have no idea whatsoever in any way at all how life evovled or where the universe came from or where life originated but they will pretend they do.

I never understood how you can throw hundreds of millions of years numbers around and pretend like it is accurate.

reply to post by Tbrooks76


Lol @ all these blind people in here attacking you. They talk about a theory, as if it is fact. These evolutionists need to realize their evolution theory, is as far fetched as us believers in God. To base a belief on a theory, not facts, sound a little bit like religion, does it not? Evolutionists have created their own religion, and it has its own god, "science". These people.... lol. Somebody needs to switch on our junk DNA and fast, to save these retards.

Every single time Evolutionist defend themselves from attacks,they will simply say you do not understand science.All you do is observe science with your own eyes and learn about it.
A chimp that shares 98% of DNA with humans somehow tells evolution we evovled from ape like men.All it tells me is chimps and humans have DNA that is 98% match.I think it is common sense that humans and cats and dogs would never have this kind of match on DNA,because they walk on 4 legs and other 2 legs.
Why I think this crap comes down to common sense and has a lot of BS all through it.
Chimps and apes resemble humans more than dogs and cats people.

Originally posted by iWantToBeelieve
reply to post by Tbrooks76

 

Lol @ all these blind people in here attacking you. They talk about a theory, as if it is fact. These evolutionists need to realize their evolution theory, is as far fetched as us believers in God. To base a belief on a theory, not facts, sound a little bit like religion, does it not? Evolutionists have created their own religion, and it has its own god, "science". These people.... lol. Somebody needs to switch on our junk DNA and fast, to save these retards.

That's very Christian of you, calling people "retards". Doesn't that impinge on what your saviour preached in one or another version of your book?

I quite enjoy the way you creationists call non-creationists evolutionists.
It fits so well with your dualist way of thinking, "If it's not this then it must be that".

Some, well probably most of us like to keep an open mind over things rather than think a thought and stick to it.

One could almost say that I allow my knowledge to evolve...

Originally posted by iWantToBeelieve
reply to post by Tbrooks76

 

Lol @ all these blind people in here attacking you. They talk about a theory, as if it is fact. These evolutionists need to realize their evolution theory, is as far fetched as us believers in God. To base a belief on a theory, not facts, sound a little bit like religion, does it not? Evolutionists have created their own religion, and it has its own god, "science". These people.... lol. Somebody needs to switch on our junk DNA and fast, to save these retards.

Double post.
My apologies.

And the above two posters' replies (above Pardon?'s) are exactly why these threads are useless and do nothing more than waste energy.

At least evolution and even the testing of the abiogenesis hypotheses provides some possibilities and could even lead us to finding proof of god. I don't have any problem with anyone being satisfied with "god did it." But for me to believe that, I need proof and until i see it, there's nothing the creationist theory can do to convince me it's truth.

This thread is a fail from the start. The OP is all about how life started, which has nothing to do with evolution, yet we're all arguing about evolution being the start of life. *sigh* This whole thread has been off topic since the OP and, yes, if you're going to argue against the theory of evolution, at least learn about it beforehand because if you don't and have nothing to add except the same false rhetoric over and over, you're not adding anything and wasting even more energy.

reply to post by Shane


Excellent work and sound conclusion.

Sometimes I wish Creationists would study their Bible more, the understanding of the first few verses in Genesis makes so much of the conflict resolve in this seemingly endless debate.

Genesis 1:2 speaks of the first Earth as being "made (became over time/made to be/turned into) void (empty of life) and without form (choas)" as a result of the destruction of it (Lucifer's rebellion and resulting war).

The remainder of the chapter refers to the "re-creation", re-forming of the Earth so that it would be suitable for a habitation for the creation of mankind upon it.

The Earth is far older then 6000 years (but this current age of man is only that old), life does in fact evolve on the micro level (mutation, adaptation, speciation etc.) everyday; but life does not evolve on the macro level ever (no species has ever reproduced of a different kind, only a different species according to a scientific definition of the word species), meaning a bacteria can evolove into a new type of bacteria, but it does not become a frog.

I am a man of God, I believe every word of scripture is the word of God and 100% truth (if you have eyes to see spiritually), and it does not conflict with the areas of evolution that have been prooven scientifically, it is the supposition of those micro-evolutional proofs into larger scale application (macro-evolution) that leads to the issue with evolutionists and there false assumptions. But creationists need to understand what scripture says, or you will appear as fools.

Thank you Shane for explaining the real hebrew words recorded in Genesis 1 in a clear manner. Other then verse1 the whole chapter is referring to the "re-creation" of Earth after all life was wiped out at the end of the first age (pre-mankind) as a result of the war brought upon it by Lucifer's rebellion.

God Bless,

Originally posted by iWantToBeelieve
reply to post by Tbrooks76

 

Lol @ all these blind people in here attacking you. They talk about a theory, as if it is fact. These evolutionists need to realize their evolution theory, is as far fetched as us believers in God. To base a belief on a theory, not facts, sound a little bit like religion, does it not? Evolutionists have created their own religion, and it has its own god, "science". These people.... lol. Somebody needs to switch on our junk DNA and fast, to save these retards.

I don't mind the attacks, I knew starting this post it was an up hill battle. As far science, this not evil or anything, I love science...just don't like when its misused. Evolution isn't science, its bad theory hiding behind bad science.

I stopped reading as soon as he posted that evolution is not a fact.

reply to post by Tbrooks76


The total mass-energy content of the universe is zero. All the matter in the universe and all the kinetic energy is balanced with all the borrowed energy in the gravitational potential. Go figure!

-rrr

reply to post by Pardon?


I do not believe calling people who believe that way retards in any way has something to do with my religion. In these "books" you speak of, it does say the tongue is as sharp as the sword, but I did not wish harm nor death upon anyone, so your little bit about reading my own religions books, is invalid. Then you go on to say how we "creationists" call you "evolutionists" well sorry to say, you just bit your own ass there. That's a paradox, by doing exactly what you said you do not like, "Creationists" calling you evolutionists, then in turn you call us creationists, lol. Also, as for your little quip about "our dualist ways of thinking" it is not always one or the other, there is a gray area. So don't be so blinded by what your mind makes up as a general "christian". As far as you saying you let your knowledge evolve, do not most people do that? As you learn you learn past things may have been incorrect, so your education evolves. You're not special in that way. Thanks for your attempt at a response though ; )

Evolution is a fact.

The only thing left to discuss are which forces of nature influenced it more than others.

reply to post by Tbrooks76


I agree Tbrooks, I absolutely love science. Its what keeps me going, and it even solidifies my belief in a god. I also agree I don't like it when it is misused, as in evolution.




We have also arranged things so that almost no one understands science and technology. This is a prescription for disaster. We might get away with it for a while, but sooner or later this combustible mixture of ignorance and power is going to blow up in our faces. - Carl Sagan

reply to post by EvilSadamClone


Evolution is not a fact, its a theory. So why did you stop reading after he stated it is not fact? Do you limit yourself to only Theories? Sad existence if that is what you do.