Does this picture show the 'ghost' of a universe that existed before big bang, page 4


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reply posted on 12-6-2012 @ 07:17 PM by GreatScot
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One of most basic laws of science is the Law of the Conservation of Energy. Energy cannot be created or destroyed; it can only be changed from one form to another.


Could the information and energy just like in evolution be selecting the strong information and converting the waste information just like the process inside our own body's once the information has been observed and gathered what the universe needs to sustain a thriving environment for the host is recreated and what hasn't worked or has become useless is reproduced to reflect the desired traits required for longevity of the over all host system.

The universe conserves energy in may ways on the quantum level for instance observing creates the image only when required much like computer games do.

However much I try to fathom this it is hard but the universe has given us may sensory tools and also a unique ability on this planet to be a creature of innovation and imagination and our evolution has also given us the body to create and discover and explore could it be our fate or destiny is already planned are the questions gave to us by divine original thought or curiosity are we here to observe by accident or on purpose are the answers slowly unveiled as we progress from a source who holds the keys to our progression or are we truly masters of our own destiny and man has truly been lucky to have had so many great minds? However we see it all these coincidences are compelling.

Our imitation of what we know is be the bases of our own endeavors into space and other planets we design our machines in our image to preform all the necessary duties of man in the best possible way, i like to think we are the universes version of a satellite or a rover exploring the universe or world we inhabit. Slowly being fed commands from a source only some can understand because of experience understanding and desire they solve the question of the time so we can progress to the next part of the puzzle.


reply posted on 12-6-2012 @ 07:27 PM by circuitsports
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the is no such thing as a black "hole" a gravity event yes but a tear in the space time fabric - no

this image should make clear the idea that matter does escape


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reply posted on 12-6-2012 @ 08:08 PM by esteay812
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Does this mean that he is seeing outside our universe? Does the ghostly reminder of an earlier, deceased Universe exist outisde of our reborn universe?

If it doesnt exist outside our Universe then this could lead to many things, not the least of importance would the detection of another dimension.

Could this information lead to new ways of travelling our cosmos or explain how other life may travel the universe.

Could it also explain how it is thought by some that UFOs, Aliens, and Ultra Hi-Tech black government have the ability to materialize or dematerialize, even cloak and decloak instantly?

Just taking a walk through fantasy land



reply posted on 12-6-2012 @ 08:11 PM by korathin
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If I read the article right, it seems like super massive black holes suck everything in and then go BOOM!


Makes sense, follow the current pattern of super massive black holes in the center of galaxies merging/ eating one another, causing galaxies to merge into increasingly larger galaxies. Sooner or later you end up with a runaway 2x2 scenario of expansion were the universe is sucked into itself via an ultra super duper massive black hole; only to explode over and over again, kind of like the immortal phoenix.

The question is, did the war between matter and antimatter happen just once in the first time around(if there was a first time), or does it happen each and every time the universal black hole goes pop?

Like a perpetual battle between light(matter) and dark(anti-matter)?
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reply posted on 12-6-2012 @ 09:36 PM by Aloysius the Gaul
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Since we do not know wehat existed before this universe you cannot support the statement that it was created out of nothing - you do not know that.


reply posted on 13-6-2012 @ 06:30 AM by solargeddon
Originally posted by 3n19m470
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Well, that's what happens when someone becomes a robotic-debunker/compulsive-naysayer... eventually people stop listening to what they have to say.


Sorry, are you calling me names ?!

How very ...... ignorant of you, We can't just buy the concept, of the concentric rings being a remnant of a bygone universe, it has to be proven beyond doubt, plus science is progressive, the sourcing of those articles was entirely relevant to the thread, and gave an alternative perspective.

I am being rude, when I say how's the weather there in 2d land ?!


reply posted on 17-6-2012 @ 07:53 AM by DARREN1976
Originally posted by magma
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post by VoidHawk



Even if there was an anouncement to say that universe is exactly the way a scientist says it is does that make it right? Does it make it real?

Your right, no it doesnt, scientists are always revising theories all the time, theories that have been scientifically concrete fro centuries, are then turned on their heads, "oh well, yes, we thought that was right, but actualy......" you get my drift?


reply posted on 17-6-2012 @ 06:57 PM by Aloysius the Gaul
Originally posted by DARREN1976
Originally posted by magma
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post by VoidHawk



Even if there was an anouncement to say that universe is exactly the way a scientist says it is does that make it right? Does it make it real?

Your right, no it doesnt, scientists are always revising theories all the time, theories that have been scientifically concrete fro centuries, are then turned on their heads, "oh well, yes, we thought that was right, but actualy......" you get my drift?


Yes scientific theories are corrected when the information in them becomes superscended by better information - but that is not an excuse to ignore every scientific theory

In science a theory is not merely a "an idea I have" like it is here on ATS - a scientific theory is a well substantiated explaination that explains the known facts, that is testable, and which can be used to predict future observations.

No other idea humanity has ever dreamed up is as useful - heck even when a theory is superscended it can still be useful - Newton's laws of motion may have been supersceded by Einsteins theory of relativity - but I know which I use when I'm playing pool!


reply posted on 18-6-2012 @ 06:47 AM by ElectricUniverse
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IMO there is no origin, and there will be no end. There are just changes in the energy form through which we, and everything in the multiverses go through.

Our spirits will continue to experience everything that energy can change into. Energy, and our spirits(a concious form of energy) will never die, or disipate. After all, no form of energy can ever be destroyed or created.

Good catch btw.
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