American Fascism: Identifying the cause in the response to Occupy

Originally posted by beezzer
You don't think the same as I, ergo, you're under mind control.

No. Disagreeing with me is not an indication of mind control.

Making emotive, subjective, largely meaningless slogan-like generalisations ("Soldiers represent freedom") is.

Soldiers never represent freedom; if anything, they represent the opposite. Soldiers don't grant anyone's freedom; when invading territory on behalf of another country, they take the freedom of the target country, and force the inhabitants to comply with the will of the country that they are from.

The term, "liberation," when applied to the conquering of a country, is what Orwell referred to as doublespeak; i.e., it is a word used which actually means the direct opposite of what it is appearing to claim.

The American government plays a lot of semantic shell games, because the one thing that it does not want people to think, is that it is an imperial power. Iraq was finally one example where to a small extent, however, the mask had to come off. Paul Bremer there was referred to as the "Civilian Administrator." They were less honest with McArthur in WW2 in Japan, however; he was the "Supreme Commander for the Allied Powers." They would never use the words, "viceroy," or "governor."

This is the single most morally degenerate aspect of America's nature, as a foreign power; the consistent, adamant refusal to admit the truth that it is an empire. Xerxes, Alexander, Napoleon, Rome; with all of them, it was in the open. With America, it is not; and not only do the psychopaths at the top of the heap, shamelessly use people like you as the instruments by which they commit attrocities, and throw you away like rubbish when they have finished with you, but they also force feed you, and everyone else that they can, the lie that you are actually doing something morally justifiable.

I went and saw The Avengers yesterday. Yes, it's a comic book movie; complete fiction. However, not long before that, I read that the American Congress is trying to get the military issue of blatant propaganda made legal. In other words, they want to be able to openly fill people's heads with material that has exactly the same level of real truth to it that Marvel's comics do.

That isn't the worst of it, however. Soldiers on this forum being laughably naive and brainwashed, displaying no knowledge whatsoever of history, and generally behaving like mindless, canine/human hybrids, despite it being tragic, is something that I can tolerate. What makes me genuinely furious, however, is the degree of adamancy with which you then attempt to force your own ignorance down everyone else's throat.

That is something which I will not tolerate. You can scream the Colonel Jessup speech at me as loudly as you want. I am going to scream right back.

Originally posted by petrus4
That isn't the worst of it, however. Soldiers on this forum being laughably naive and brainwashed, despite it being tragic, is something that I can tolerate. What makes me genuinely furious, however, is the degree of adamancy with which you then attempt to force your own ignorance down everyone else's throat. That is something which I will not tolerate.

Arrogance, has no bounds with you. I'm so glad that your "tolerance" permits me to provide an opinion not sactioned by yourself.

Free speech makes you furious?

Might I suggest. . . . .

Originally posted by beezzer
Arrogance, has no bounds with you.

Then if I'm wrong, put some thought into it, and concretely refute me. You seem very sure of your own opinion, so it should not be difficult.

Originally posted by thehoneycomb
Is this the anti beezer thread?

Ahh..

Poor beezz...

I knew him well

I call dibs on his lucky feet

Originally posted by petrus4
That is something which I will not tolerate.

Look

If you didnt want to read or see opposing view points when you write your opinion then may I suggest simply logging off then open a Word document and write it all out and just stare at it.

Originally posted by petrus4

Originally posted by beezzer
Arrogance, has no bounds with you.

Then if I'm wrong, put some thought into it, and concretely refute me. You seem very sure of your own opinion, so it should not be difficult.

Um, page one. Thought I did.

You, though, ignored the bulk of my post and concentrated on the fact that I'm military.

Originally posted by mlirenr
What's with the attacks on EPA, coming from [if you believe 100% in 2 party system] right/GOP/republicans?

They forget own history, EPA was founded by a GOP, Nixon era admin.

Whether it was created with a hidden agenda to hide and control contaminations is another discussion(there is evidence of control).

I'll repeat this for a last time, to show how out of touch the "right" in US is today, they attack an agency themselves created.

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besides EPA/GOP/Nixon connection, this in regards to education too, one example given is how there's universities in California today MORE expensive than Ivy Leagues of Northeast of US.

That's how upside down, inverted things are, when easier to pay for Ivy Leagues than "standard" college/universities

Included are state colleges(Cal State in the quoted news), so the "right" should be satisfied with higher student debt via the "stop federal/state welfare" proxy

There's only 1 good thing to come out of that. -

Why Your Education Costs More Than Health Care

Posted 04/25/2012
by Kevin McLeod
unitedrepublic.org/2012/why-your-education-costs-more-than-health-care/

About United Republic

United Republic is a bold, new challenge to the undue influence of well-financed special interests over American politics and government. More...

www.mercurynews.com/breaking-news/ci_20101265

The San Jose Mercury News reports that California public universities have been hit so hard by state funding cuts, Harvard, Yale, and Princeton are now a better deal for middle-class students.

reply to post by beezzer

Yes. They do.

No we do not want more government.

They identify corporate bribery, corporate irresponsibility with Wall Street and Wall Street alone. They refuse to acknowlege that government is taking the bribes and making the laws that created the oppourtunity for Wall Street to take advantage.

Corporate control of government is a huge part of why we are protesting if not the largest reason. How could government be under corporate control if they weren't taking the money?

They wnt free schooling, forgiveness of all student loan debt, more government oversight, larger government control over the environment, over individual rights.

We want a nation that invests more in it's people than it does in the war machine. We call to attention the disjointed logic of bailing out the too big too fails who destroyed our economy to begin with while not ensuring low fixed interest rates on student loans.

We very much do advocate individual rights and we also want a major overhaul of the EPA and several other watchdogs because they have been turned backwards and inside out with corruption, they protect Big Business and hang the little guys out to dry. We do want regulations in place to protect the environment because our history shows that Big Business will not do this on it's own, but the agency needs a massive injection of injection of common sense.

Originally posted by HamrHeed
So what do the occupy folks want? More gov't?

Bigger gov't. Nanny gov't. Bunches of 'free' stuff. And since nothing is really free .. they want to steal from the productive members of society to fund their bohemian lifestyle. They want to take from others simply because those others have more or have earned more.

I can understand those who are ill or old and can not work wanting help.
But I'm seeing a lot of lazy do-nothing-ers who just want the high salaries
but who don't have the skills in order to get the money. I see jealousy.

reply to post by FlyersFan

Bigger gov't. Nanny gov't. Bunches of 'free' stuff. And since nothing is really free .. they want to steal from the productive members of society to fund their bohemian lifestyle. They want to take from others simply because those others have more or have earned more.

Demagogic nonsense

Just add some trumpets and drums - then start marching...

Can you offer up some examples to back up your statement - or will you only be able to find and post more quotes from other people saying pretty much the same thing?

But I'm seeing a lot of lazy do-nothing-ers who just want the high salaries but who don't have the skills in order to get the money. I see jealousy.

Jealousy? It's an interesting tactic - calling others jealous. I wonder if you can see what others see when you defend your argument with this...dismissing the concerns, arguments and demands of one group - because they're jealous'?

:-)

(Also, forgive my pedantry - but I think you mean envious) :-)

The OP has hit the mark

Ok,


You dont have to go to war to get PTSD.....ANY truamatic event can have an effect on the human brain. War is just one that everyone likes to site and use as a crutch to further the pitty party and bland brand label of heroism.

When you use a word or phrase too much, ad neasuam, it takes away from its meaning and the power its supposed to portray.

All so that the piggies can be re-elected

reply to post by petrus4

I don't think the American public really understand, just how lethally dangerous, in social and political terms, the level of worship of the troops expressed in the above quoted comment, truly is.

The not so subtle implication being that if you don't see it the same way - support the sentiment absolutely and without reservation - you must be an enemy of the state

maybe even an enemy combatant - by default

freedom - with a few well placed words and a little time it can be taken from any of us

S&F petrus4

Originally posted by beezzer

American soldiers represent freedom. Whether they are used towards that end or not is up to the civilian leadership in DC.

I'm glad we agree that Occupy is largely Marxist.

As a member of the military, I feel that I can speak better of the mindset and attitude of the military than those who only see it from the outside.

I think the change in constitutional order from nation state to market state is the underlying issue. Soldiers don't really represent freedom like they did when fighting the nation state wars of the twentieth century. The Wars of Terror in the twenty-first century are changing the face of warfare entirely. When you consider that the military recruitment model is now advancing quickly from an all volunteer force to a market state one whereby contractors are taking on key front-line and logistical roles, then the entire concept of fighting for freedom goes out the window. The numbers of contractors fighting the Wars on Terror over the last decade outnumbered those deploying from a voluntary basis. That is a game-changer. And money from a contractors perspective is the motivator, not 'freedom'.

Occupy is a socialist tool, fool
What a lame un-original thread to start as resentment towards Americans in general.
Start a thread and tell soldiers they are stupid?
Then attempt to twist facts to suit your own BS agenda.
You should take you limited perspective
Wrap it up snugly in a sheet of sterile latex
Then shove it up your communist agenda.
What a dumb thread

Originally posted by petrus4
If I tell someone that I think they are afflicted with mind control, that shouldn't be interpreted as a hateful statement.

Then do many misguided OWS supporters [who ruin it for the rest who have legitimate gripes] a favor and spread the word among the comrades..

Originally posted by petrus4
Yes, Occupy are largely Marxist. I don't disagree with that

i wonder what this means?
www.infowars.com...

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‘Occupy’ Protesters Listed As Domestic Terrorists
Demonstrators characterized in same context as Al-Qaeda, Colombian FARC

Paul Joseph Watson
Infowars.com
Monday, December 5, 2011
Occupy London demonstrators have been listed as domestic terrorists by the City of London Police, who characterized them in the same context as Al-Qaeda, the Colombian FARC and Belarusian terrorists who bombed the Minsk underground.

reply to post by redneck13
I don't think Occupy should be listed as domestic terrorists.

Misguided, naive, unaware, foolish, innocent, trendy, hipsters.

But not terrorists.

Originally posted by LarryLove
The numbers of contractors fighting the Wars on Terror over the last decade outnumbered those deploying from a voluntary basis.

Not that I completely disagree with your reply but this part here is simply not true. It sounds good and all, I'm sure many will agree with your assessment but it's false.

And money from a contractors perspective is the motivator

Not that I support them but, Soldiers of fortune/mercs have existed for centuries...