American Fascism: Identifying the cause in the response to Occupy

The solutions to death grips, financial fraud, insurance and scams are resting within those that choose not to contribute to society. There are those that seek to change the definition of success to “extrapolating welfare from those contributing to the human race,” not just from capitalist but also from those who believe they have risen above the system in illusions of grandeur.

Sweeping generalization that does not disclose the underlying issues.

Too bad we could get some combination of the Tea Party and OWS.

Taking the good components of both:

Smaller government
Fewer Social Programs
Financial Responsibility.....and finally eliminating the banking / corporate elite that interfere with the political system.

and eliminate the bad:

The socialist components of OWS, the gimme crowd, the MORE social programs. They don't seem to realize that a 100% safety net is impossible to implement.

The let capitalism run free component of the Tea Party. I am conservative, but even I realize that given a chance, most CEOs will cut their own mother's throat to make a buck. Capitalism will kill itself if given free reign.

And who are these politicians?
Joe Six Pack or Criminal Bankers and Heads of Corps Turned Politicians to help their cronies out?

The Government is the problem alright, and especially who makes up the government, and it is not made up of the common working man in this country. That is for sure.

Originally posted by beezzer
reply to post by Kali74

 

Blaming banks for all our problems is akin to blaming forks for obesity.

Banks play by rules.

Who writes those rules?

(a little hint)
It rhymes with shmoliticians.

Will some of you people make up your mind or what?
The government is made up of Banksters and Heads of Multi National Corporations. Plus, the same Big Wall Street Banks dump boat loads of money towards their fellow cronies to help them out.

You say the Government is the problem, then you must be referring to the parasites running it.
but then many of you turn around and support the same government when they go off murdering people around the world.
It does not make sense.

Originally posted by neo96

Originally posted by beezzer
reply to post by Kali74

 

Blaming banks for all our problems is akin to blaming forks for obesity.

Banks play by rules.

Who writes those rules?

(a little hint)
It rhymes with shmoliticians.

Blaming the banks is what they have done since the days of Teddy Roosevelt the same recycled rhetoric over and over again thinking somehow some way the next generation will buy it.

The same ideology that led to the anti trust laws,regulations,the financial reforms that have been the largest creators of their so called perceived "problem".

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You have no idea what fascism means.

National SOCIALISM under Hitler, was/is fascism...

National SOCIALISM under Mussolini was/is fascism.

SOCIALISM under corporate mandates is FASCISM, and this is what the socialist/fascist elites want to implement.

Just because some people are "militants", or believe in "defending themselves with firearms" that alone doesn't make them fascist. Only under SOCIALISM can fascism exist.

BTW, it is wrong for these people to call for violence even against the Occupy movement. But that does not make them fascist...

Occupy is consistent. A and B is screwing C. because A and B are working together.
A and B is part of the banking system that is assisting the rich people that take money from D
In addition, E has big corporations. It is just not fair

This sums up most of the info I can get out of the occupy movement
Its message is not at all clear.

Where can I read about its mission statement?
Where are its headquarters?
Who is the person representing Occupy? (Anonymous does not count)
No one that wears a mask should have a political platform
Who started the occupy idea and why?

If you think that 99% of the population blindly follow unknown entities with unknown leaders
for unknown reasons, you have grossly underestimated us.

Originally posted by redneck13

Where can I read about its mission statement?
Where are its headquarters?
Who is the person representing Occupy? (Anonymous does not count)
No one that wears a mask should have a political platform
Who started the occupy idea and why?

If you think that 99% of the population blindly follow unknown entities with unknown leaders
for unknown reasons, you have grossly underestimated us.

You don't know the answers to these questions yet you're ranting all over any thread about Occupy. In other words you read other people's opinions and adopted them as your own. Stop being lazy and look to the sources and form your own opinion.

Originally posted by beezzer
reply to post by Kali74

 

Blaming banks for all our problems is akin to blaming forks for obesity.

Banks play by rules.

Who writes those rules?

(a little hint)
It rhymes with shmoliticians.

Damn those krollistickshuns. Their uppence shall come.

Originally posted by beezzer

American Fascism: Identifying the cause in the response to Occupy

Who are the fascists?

Is it the Tea Party, who promotes individuality?

or

Is it Occupy, who promotes government oversight into every aspect of our lives?

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Is it the Tea Party, who promotes personal responsibility?

or

Is it Occupy, who wants government to provide free education to all?

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Is it the Tea Party who promotes freedom in the market place?

or

Is it Occupy, who wants to cap salaries and punish success?

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Is it the Tea Party, who honours the soldiers who represent freedom?

or

Is it Occupy, who spits on thm?

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Is it the Tea Party, who wants smaller government, and to have government stay in DC?

or

Is it Occupy, who wants government everywhere?

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Who are the fascists?

Is it the Tea Party who gets endorsements from freedom-loving groups?

or

Is it Occupy, who gets endorsments from communists, marxists, socialists, nationalists?

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Who are the fascists?

the Tea Party’s version of separation of church and state protects the church from the state. In fact, religion plays a dominant role in the Tea Party Constitution. Freedom of religion would mean you get to choose which denomination of their list of approved religions you can belong to. Agnostics, Athiests, Jews, Muslims, Mormons and anyone else who doesn’t subscribe to the Tea Party approved religions will be forced to convert. In fact, religion plays a big role in the Tea Party constitution. The constitution is interpreted through a religious prism. In honor of women’s equality day, it’s also worth noting that women’s freedom means being submissive to their husbands.

The full implications of a Tea Party constitution are well stated by RACHEL TABACHNICK when asked during an interview with Terry Gross on NPR what authority dominionists want in government.

" They want the authority to align government with what they believe is the kingdom of God, with biblical values in their interpretation.

Let me back up and say something about dominionism. Dominionism is very different than having strong beliefs or even having very strong beliefs about one’s Evangelical values. Dominionism is very controversial inside of the conservative and Evangelical world. It’s a specific theology that states that somehow God lost control of the Earth when Satan tempted Adam and Eve in the Garden and that humans must help God regain control of the Earth. And the way that they do this is by taking dominion over society and government.

The apostles and prophets have an interesting twist on this. They’re not the only dominionist movement out there. Some people may be familiar with Rushdoony and Christian Reconstructionism. This is a different brand of dominionism.

And the apostles teach what’s called strategic-level spiritual warfare with the idea being that the reason why there is sin and corruption and poverty on the Earth is because the Earth is controlled by a hierarchy of demons under the authority of Satan.

And so they teach that not just evangelizing souls one by one, as we’re accustomed to hearing about, they teach that they will go into a geographic region or to a people-group and conduct these spiritual-warfare activities in order to remove the demons from the entire population or the demonic control over the entire population. And this is what they’re doing that’s quite different than other conservative Evangelical or fundamentalist groups of the past."

Under a Tea Partye constitution, public education is non-existant. That like every other facet of life would be controlled by “the church” and maybe the occasional coupon.

nutsandolts.com...

sounds like you're being played buddy

unless you're all for bringing back Stoning

Originally posted by beezzer

Originally posted by thehoneycomb
Is this the anti beezer thread?

I may have struck a nerve.

LL beez...

then you have much more in common
with the Occupy movement than you think

OP, based on the way you spelled a couple of words I must ask... are you British? Interesting discussion in this thread.

RACHEL TABACHNICK
Is your authority, is she a member of the tea party?
The same RACHEL TABACHNICK that has a book for sale?
The same RACHEL TABACHNICK that just got her book promoted on NPR at a cost to the taxpayer?
She is on a witch-hunt to sell books
She is collecting information for her research and she actually saw politicians praying, for the country no less.
The tea party is a real organization with representative that can answer you questions. Usual stuff website and all.

So who or what do I need to contact to get information on the structure and goals for the occupy movement?

I guess Slayer was right.

Here is a lengthy article about occupy’s finances. They get money from some guy named-Soros
Soros, I think he is one of those RICH Wall Street banker types.
That’s funny

newsbusters.org...

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$3.6 Million from Soros Backs 'Occupy Wall Street', Media Ignore or Downplay Connection
By Iris Somberg

Left-wing financier George Soros is at it again. While he may claim he’s not behind the Occupy Wall Street protests, funding from his foundations says otherwise. Soros threw his support behind the movement at a United Nations panel on Oct. 3, “I can sympathize with their grievances.” But he does more than just sympathize, his foundations funded groups that back the protests and steer their “progressive” message.

Reuters even posed the question “Who’s behind the Wall St. protests?” on Oct. 13, but downplayed Soros’s actual financial involvement. Even though “Soros and the protesters share some ideological ground,” the story added. But Reuters undersold the connection significantly.

Organizations that joined the protesters were granted more than $3.6 million from Soros’s Open Society Foundations. On Oct. 5 there was a “march in solidarity with #occupywallstreet” that listed seven such groups out of the 16 overall supporting the protest. Those seven organizations received $3,614,690 from Soros’ Open Society Foundations since the year 2000, with more than $2 million going to Common Cause Education Fund, part of Common Cause, and another $1.1 million to MoveOn.org

Even the protesters admit the hypocrisy of having billionaire Soros and MoveOn.org “joining forces to voice their ‘support’ for an anti-Wall Street movement” and that it ‘should set alarm bells ringing.” Additional funding went to the Service Employees International Union (SEIU), Community Voices Heard, Coalition for the Homeless, Neighborhood Economic Development Advocacy Project (NEDAP), and 350.org.

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No.

reuters

Could not agree more with the OP. It honestly irks me every time I see a "We support our troops" bumper sticker plastered across peoples cars. I just shake my head and hang it in shame. I can't help but think to myself "Do you know what are troops are even doing?". And for the majority they don't. Many don't even know where our troops are. Of course, most just do it because they are very proud of their loved ones who joined the service and have a romanticized view of the armed forces in general. However, most (if not all) wars I've seen fought in my time have had little to do with freedom at all. Particularly when paternally engaged in by government bodies with no input from the people. A free nation with no decisions, and everyone's happy....

I guess that's the government's idea of freedom: making sure the populous is happy with their decisions at all costs. In that case it is a free country for the most part I suppose. To me, our standards of freedom should not be so low as the "Lizard laying in the sun" analogy. Happiness, as well as dissent and destruction, are both involved in my view of freedom. There won't always be a happy world, as people will always be unhappy with something. To me, unhappiness is a human right, and one we should be able to express.

Canada has had the reputation of a 'Peace Keeping' nation, which to me serves no greater mission than the US's self serving agendas. I still personally think we stick our noses where they don't belong to serve our own interests. Policing the world will never bring freedom and is the completely wrong route in my mind. It brings to mind a line from Gandhi that went something along the lines of "India needs to believe their problems can be resolved by Indians, they need to believe they can create their own future [paraphrased]". The west has to stop assuming their answers are the answers for the world. Communism might not be right for the states, agreeable. Maybe even socialist movements like the health care reform aren't fine for them right now, whatever. But I can easily imagine worlds where such systems might exist with specific purpose, such as Iraq (touchy topic I know, but honestly, I think abolishing the dictatorship in such a violent region did more harm to Iraq than good). I'm sure there isn't a country in the world without their own domestic issues to deal with. That's where the priorities should lay.

Originally posted by beezzer

American soldiers represent freedom.

So do women smoking according to Edward Bernays
Torches of Freedom

And here I thought the latest representation of freedom was freedom fries

Ok so there is no leader, but they, the other they
They who are stealing you wealth and prosperity
So occupy is to believe they are fighting for themselves when they are en fact pawns used by the United Nations and foreign banks to help create one world order by employing the Cloward–Piven strategy
Greed is the motive coming from all sides
So the main focus of occupy is to be used as a pawn to help create one world government and a one world bank.
Got it.

www.nycga.net...

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They have taken our houses through an illegal foreclosure process, despite not having the original mortgage.
They have taken bailouts from taxpayers with impunity, and continue to give Executives exorbitant bonuses.
They have perpetuated inequality and discrimination in the workplace based on age, the color of one’s skin, sex, gender identity and sexual orientation.
They have poisoned the food supply through negligence, and undermined the farming system through monopolization.
They have profited off of the torture, confinement, and cruel treatment of countless animals, and actively hide these practices.
They have continuously sought to strip employees of the right to negotiate for better pay and safer working conditions.
They have held students hostage with tens of thousands of dollars of debt on education, which is itself a human right.
They have consistently outsourced labor and used that outsourcing as leverage to cut workers’ healthcare and pay.
They have influenced the courts to achieve the same rights as people, with none of the culpability or responsibility.
They have spent millions of dollars on legal teams that look for ways to get them out of contracts in regards to health insurance.
They have sold our privacy as a commodity.
They have used the military and police force to prevent freedom of the press.
They have deliberately declined to recall faulty products endangering lives in pursuit of profit.
They determine economic policy, despite the catastrophic failures their policies have produced and continue to produce.
They have donated large sums of money to politicians, who are responsible for regulating them.
They continue to block alternate forms of energy to keep us dependent on oil.
They continue to block generic forms of medicine that could save people’s lives or provide relief in order to protect investments that have already turned a substantial profit.
They have purposely covered up oil spills, accidents, faulty bookkeeping, and inactive ingredients in pursuit of profit.
They purposefully keep people misinformed and fearful through their control of the media.
They have accepted private contracts to murder prisoners even when presented with serious doubts about their guilt.
They have perpetuated colonialism at home and abroad.
They have participated in the torture and murder of innocent civilians overseas.
They continue to create weapons of mass destruction in order to receive government contracts.*
To the people of the world,

We, the New York City General Assembly occupying Wall Street in Liberty Square, urge you to assert your power.
Exercise your right to peaceably assemble; occupy public space; create a process to address the problems we face, and generate solutions accessible to everyone.
To all communities that take action and form groups in the spirit of direct democracy, we offer support, documentation, and all of the resources at our disposal.
Join us and make your voices heard!

*These grievances are not all-inclusive.

I also found a Occupy Handbook, I am unsure if it is an official publication and I am un-sure if it can be identified as such. Cute artwork
Occupy Handbook
www.datafilehost.com...

Originally posted by Kali74

You don't know the answers to these questions yet you're ranting all over any thread about Occupy. In other words you read other people's opinions and adopted them as your own. Stop being lazy and look to the sources and form your own opinion.

I actually did. I made a thread about this, and about who the Occupy movement is, and what they really are all about. I even posted who were some of the organizers/leaders of this movement and who funded them, which I took directly from one of their pamphlets.

www.abovetopsecret.com...









They even adopted socialist/communist logos...




www.lewrockwell.com...


news.anon210.com...


Shame, in the above you can't see the pretty RED words...
occupywallst.org...

Everywhere I look your movement has very similar logos to socialist/communist logos... I wonder why...

Perhaps they have something to do with logos like the following?...

Malaysian socialists clenched-fist logo approved

links.org.au...

Socialist Fist Logos










Soviet Fist

www.neofactionapparel.com...

Originally posted by MidnightTide
Too bad we could get some combination of the Tea Party and OWS.

Taking the good components of both:

Smaller government
Fewer Social Programs
Financial Responsibility.....and finally eliminating the banking / corporate elite that interfere with the political system.

and eliminate the bad:

The socialist components of OWS, the gimme crowd, the MORE social programs. They don't seem to realize that a 100% safety net is impossible to implement.

If you were to take away the bad from the Occupy movement then there would be no movement. Occupy wants MORE government control, MORE social programs where they get "free stuff that is not really free". They want socialism to be implemented.

Originally posted by MidnightTide
The let capitalism run free component of the Tea Party. I am conservative, but even I realize that given a chance, most CEOs will cut their own mother's throat to make a buck. Capitalism will kill itself if given free reign.

Really? then why were the Native Americans and other ancient people able to thrive for hundreds, if not thousands of years on Capitalism?...

Ancient men grouped together to trade resources, and or skills which increased the chances of survival and made/makes life easier. (not easy but easier)

What you are talking about is not Capitalism, it is Corpocratism/Corporatism. There is a huge difference.

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Who are the Fascists? They are the one's wielding the clubs silly rabbit.