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American Fascism: Identifying the cause in the response to Occupy

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posted on Jun, 4 2012 @ 11:26 AM
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Oh good lord!


Please don't ruin a perfectly good "I hate beezzer" thread by having me defend Occupy.





posted on Jun, 4 2012 @ 11:32 AM
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An interesting report from the Department of Defense in regard to contractors vs. uniformed personnel operating in the Wars of Terror says, 'DOD relies extensively upon contractors to support overseas contingency operations. As of March 2011, DOD had more contractor personnel in Afghanistan and Iraq (155,000) than uniformed personnel (145,000). Contractors made up 52% of DOD’s workforce in Afghanistan and Iraq. Since December 2009, the number of DOD contractors in Afghanistan has exceeded the number in Iraq.'

Department of Defense Contractors in Afghanistan and Iraq: Background and Analysis



posted on Jun, 4 2012 @ 11:36 AM
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Nazi party and commies love occupiers

www.thegatewaypundit.com... 1/10/


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From the CPUSA website:

This is an exciting time! Thousands of mainly young people have been occupying Wall Street for three weeks already, and the “Occupy Movement” has spread to more than 200 other cities. On Oct. 6 the actions spread to our nation’s capital.

The Communist Party USA (CPUSA) will hold a national teleconference to discuss it:

Arturo Cambron
The Communist Party and the Occupy L.A. Movement
Tuesday, October 11, 8 pm Eastern
Teleconference number: 605-475-4850 (please note this is the corrected number. ignore previous.)
Access code: 1053538#

Southern California Party leader Arturo Cambron will share how the CPUSA and Young Communist League (YCL) are working in “Occupy Los Angeles.”

This movement, also known as the “99% movement,” is being hailed across the country. Movements and organizations are reaching out in solidarity. The AFL-CIO is opening union halls and offering other material assistance. Ordinary people are donating food, money and materials.

In many areas, the “Occupy Movement” is linking up with the National American Wants to Work Week of Actions, Oct. 10-16.
XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

The American Nazi Party likes what it sees.
Today the American Nazi Party released a statement in support of Occupy Wall Street movement.


The foremost authority on National Socialism in America has this to say about “Occupy” [ANP leader Rocky Suhayda -ed.] :

What is really MISSING – is the “MOVEMENT” from these popular protests – its time to pull WN heads out of their collective ass’s, and JOIN IN the attack on Judeo-Capitalism. What do you suggest? That WN Working Class White people DEFEND the Judeo-Capitalists? IF the “movement” wasn’t so PATHETIC it would be OUT THERE – LEADING these protests! The fact that its these “lefties” as you call them, who are picking up the ball and running with it – only shows how much more in tune THEY are with the fed up masses of White Workers, than the fossilized, reactionary “right-wing”. WHO holds the WEALTH and POWER in this country – the JUDEO-CAPITALISTS. WHO is therefore the #1 ENEMY who makes all this filth happen – the JUDEO-CAPITALISTS. WHO therefore do WN need to FIGHT? My heart is right there with these people, perhaps someday the “movement” will SHOW the same COURAGE and DEDICATION that these people OUT THERE FIGHTING are SHOWING!


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posted on Jun, 4 2012 @ 11:38 AM
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Sooo.... Did the occupy movement actually "do" anything? I mean besides give the MSM something to report on, make some squalid squatting conditions and stopped people from getting their latte's?

The best was when Richard & Sal from the Howard Stern Show went out and asked some folks what they were there protesting. Everyone was either too high or ignorant to give a real answer. "Like... just like... inequality and stuff man..." 'Ok, what kind of inequality?' "Like... you know... Inequality dude!"



Yes... Great job, guys.



posted on Jun, 4 2012 @ 11:41 AM
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Judeo-Capitalsts?
*facepalm*


Self-proclaimed marxists who were still breast-feeding when the USSR fell, now call themselves communists.

Oh my lordy-lordy-lordy.



posted on Jun, 4 2012 @ 11:43 AM
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Originally posted by beezzer
reply to post by redneck13
 
Oh good lord!


Please don't ruin a perfectly good "I hate beezzer" thread by having me defend Occupy.




I am sorry if your are offended Beez
But I don’t make this stuff up

www.infowars.com... et


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Occupy Wall Street Protesters Call For Totalitarian Government, Re-Election Of Obama
There is something very wrong with this picture

Paul Joseph Watson
Infowars.com
Sunday, October 2, 2011

UPDATE: ‘Occupy Wall Street’ Tax Proposal Is Backed By Wall Street Itself

UPDATE: Obama Machine Prepares To Hijack ‘Occupy Wall Street’

Despite their honest intentions, many of the Occupy Wall Street protesters are being suckered into a trap and calling for the very “solutions” that are part of the financial elite’s agenda to torpedo the American middle class – higher taxes and more big government.

Watch the clip below in which journalist Adam Kokesh talks to Occupy Wall Street protesters.
The ignorance displayed in these interviews knows no bounds. The protesters just don’t get it. They are calling for the government to use force to impose their ideas, all in the name of bringing down corporations who they don’t realize have completely bought off government regulators. Corporations and government enjoy a mutually beneficial relationship – getting one to regulate the other is asinine and only hurts smaller businesses who are legitimately trying to compete in a free market economy that barely exists.

The zeal for totalitarian government amongst some of the “protesters” is shocking. One sign being carried around read, “A government is an entity which holds the monopolistic right to initiate force,” which seems a little ironic when protesters complain about being physically assaulted by police in the same breath.

One woman interviewed by Kokesh also announces her intention to help Obama to capture a second term. How can a self-proclaimed Occupy Wall Street protester simultaneously support the man whose 2008 campaign was bankrolled by Wall Street, whose 2012 campaign is reliant on Wall Street to an even greater extent, and whose cabinet was filled with Wall Street operatives?

Something is very wrong with this picture.


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posted on Jun, 4 2012 @ 11:45 AM
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Originally posted by redneck13
Occupy is a socialist tool, fool
What a lame un-original thread to start as resentment towards Americans in general.
Start a thread and tell soldiers they are stupid?
Then attempt to twist facts to suit your own BS agenda.
You should take you limited perspective
Wrap it up snugly in a sheet of sterile latex
Then shove it up your communist agenda.
What a dumb thread


The right to assemble peacefully is honored by the constitution, nothing socialist there. And the military troops are tops in my book. Its the a**hats that would portray them as the only ones that can get PTSD and that everything else is just hypochondria just to further a agenda, thats what p*sses me off.

Note to strike: I have both combat PTSD, and non combat PTSD...and between the 2, Id rather have combat PTSD any day of the week rather than the latter. At least then I could identify the triggers of such much easier.

Either way you look at it, I dont use it as an excuse for anything. I deal with it. We live in a p*ssy whipped version of society. Its so much easier to shunt responsibility that way I guess. Whilst I do not fully agree with Occupy's agenda, they are granted the right and freedom to assemble peacefully. It would appear that quite a few local governments have forgotten that.

And don't give me that crap about we fought so you could enjoy this freedom garbage. Thats like me saying you oppressed my race and kept us slaves in 1835. Past tense, if anything I should be thanking a revolutionary war vet..none still living huh? How bout a WW II vet? I can do that. Anything beyond that has been nothing more than a police action to bring other countries in line with Corp America and her Europe subsidiaries.

The reality is, it had little to do with regime atrocity, and more to do with how much can we make off this 3rd world country. Syria is a fine example......how long did it take to get into Libya? How long is it taking for us to go into Syria for the exact same thing?

Uh huh.....thats ok I'll wait

Fact of the matter is, propaganda is propaganda no matter how one would spin it regardless if theres an ounce of truth, or no truth at all. People see what they want, they believe what they want. And the people making these stupid comments and driving the immoral decisions in this country need to be fired.

I support my troops, not the actions they are ordered to undertake for no good reason other than political BS.



posted on Jun, 4 2012 @ 11:47 AM
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Originally posted by redneck13

Originally posted by beezzer
reply to post by redneck13
 
Oh good lord!


Please don't ruin a perfectly good "I hate beezzer" thread by having me defend Occupy.




I am sorry if your are offended Beez
But I don’t make this stuff up

www.infowars.com... et


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Occupy Wall Street Protesters Call For Totalitarian Government, Re-Election Of Obama
There is something very wrong with this picture

Paul Joseph Watson
Infowars.com
Sunday, October 2, 2011

UPDATE: ‘Occupy Wall Street’ Tax Proposal Is Backed By Wall Street Itself

UPDATE: Obama Machine Prepares To Hijack ‘Occupy Wall Street’

Despite their honest intentions, many of the Occupy Wall Street protesters are being suckered into a trap and calling for the very “solutions” that are part of the financial elite’s agenda to torpedo the American middle class – higher taxes and more big government.

Watch the clip below in which journalist Adam Kokesh talks to Occupy Wall Street protesters.
The ignorance displayed in these interviews knows no bounds. The protesters just don’t get it. They are calling for the government to use force to impose their ideas, all in the name of bringing down corporations who they don’t realize have completely bought off government regulators. Corporations and government enjoy a mutually beneficial relationship – getting one to regulate the other is asinine and only hurts smaller businesses who are legitimately trying to compete in a free market economy that barely exists.

The zeal for totalitarian government amongst some of the “protesters” is shocking. One sign being carried around read, “A government is an entity which holds the monopolistic right to initiate force,” which seems a little ironic when protesters complain about being physically assaulted by police in the same breath.

One woman interviewed by Kokesh also announces her intention to help Obama to capture a second term. How can a self-proclaimed Occupy Wall Street protester simultaneously support the man whose 2008 campaign was bankrolled by Wall Street, whose 2012 campaign is reliant on Wall Street to an even greater extent, and whose cabinet was filled with Wall Street operatives?

Something is very wrong with this picture.



THIS, I believe.



posted on Jun, 4 2012 @ 11:47 AM
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Yes, I've seen and read the report as well...

What I think you're avoiding is what exactly all those "Contractors" are doing. You've deceitfully given the impression that they are all 155,000 of them on the front line [So to speak] If that were truly the case [Since they do not have to abide by the established ROE] they would have crushed the Taliban long ago.

Your source...

Contractors are often seen as providing operational benefits to DOD. Using contractors to perform non-combat activities augments the total force and can free up uniformed personnel for combat missions Since contractors can be hired faster than DOD can develop an internal capability, contractors can be quickly deployed to provide critical support capabilities when necessary. Contractors also provide expertise in specialized fields that DOD may not possess, such as linguistics.

Using contractors can also save DOD money. Contractors can be hired when a particular need arises and be let go when their services are no longer needed. Hiring contractors only as needed can be cheaper in the long run than maintaining a permanent in-house capability. Using local nationals as contractors could also help develop the local economy and workforce, contributing to stability and counter-insurgency operations.

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posted on Jun, 4 2012 @ 11:50 AM
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I think the biggest problem with the Occupy movement is that they rally against neo-liberalism and what they perceive as a broken capitalist utopia, but don't really offer alternatives. I photographed the story of Occupy London and while there was a broad spectrum of politics at play in the camp, not once did I hear viable alternatives. The question: what is the alternative was met with blank stares.



posted on Jun, 4 2012 @ 11:54 AM
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Fascism is classically a right-wing mode of government that needs centralised political power and no trade unions. I am beginning to despair of any sensible dialiogue when such clealry technical terms are misused consistently.

I thinK occupy is a broad based movement right for all manner of elements to join as are the tea party. Occupy does not have a program or any political theory it is just a spontaneous movement.



posted on Jun, 4 2012 @ 11:56 AM
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Originally posted by LarryLove
reply to post by beezzer
 


I think the biggest problem with the Occupy movement is that they rally against neo-liberalism and what they perceive as a broken capitalist utopia, but don't really offer alternatives. I photographed the story of Occupy London and while there was a broad spectrum of politics at play in the camp, not once did I hear viable alternatives. The question: what is the alternative was met with blank stares.


I agree. Either no solutions or solutions that seem to fly in the face of common sense.

There appears to be an underlying agenda, however, that speaks of something less than freedom. I wonder if many who protested realise that?



posted on Jun, 4 2012 @ 11:57 AM
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They tried to go the way of the 60's with it.....as it turns out wasn't very successful. In the 60's at least they had drugs to help them organize.



posted on Jun, 4 2012 @ 11:57 AM
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Originally posted by SLAYER69
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Yes, I've seen and read the report as well...

What I think you're avoiding is what exactly are all those "Contractors" are doing. You're deceitfully giving the impression that they are all 155,000 of them are on the front line [So to speak] If that were truly the case [Since they do not have to abide by the established ROE] they would have crushed the Taliban long ago.


No, there is no deceit at play. All I am doing is commenting on the changing face of warfare and how contractors are outnumbering volunteer forces in the Wars on Terror -- both in front-line and logistical support. I posted that report after you suggested what I said previously wasn't true. My assertions are based in nation state warfare evolving into market state battles whereby traditional perceptions of nation armies fighting for 'freedom' are dramatically changing.

Edit to say ...

I am not going to get into a thread spat over this, but wanted to make the point that roles traditionally undertaken by uniformed volunteers are now contracted out. Whether that is paramilitary, diplomatic security details, translators, supply drivers etc. The point is that warfare is changing and never before have we seen so many contractors deployed to war zones.
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posted on Jun, 4 2012 @ 12:26 PM
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That sums up a rainbow swath of sediment of
the occupy movement, unless I can pick up
some other thoughts on my learning journeys

freenj.blogspot...


Monday, March 5, 2012
- Oh Jeez... The OWS Idiots Are Back!!!






All this does is bring to light precisely how stupid the occupy movement really is. They are not an example of style over substance, they're an example of style instead of substance.

There is still plenty of business down there, as there is in lots of places in Manhattan. But it's not the kind that the occupy movement has a problem with. So all they will accomplish by 'storming wall street' is making a general nuisance of themselves and further alienating the very people they claim to represent.

I guess if they knew how to do anything right, they'd all have jobs someplace instead. They really are our society's refuse. In a just world, they'd all be too hungry to protest.



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posted on Jun, 4 2012 @ 12:33 PM
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I don't believe the Occupy 'movement' is stupid per se, but could do with some direction. There are some good points being raised and to see these camps set up across the world does allay my fears that revolutionary apathy had set in globally. The issue comes down to chasing false utopias.


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posted on Jun, 4 2012 @ 12:40 PM
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Originally posted by LarryLove
No, there is no deceit at play. All I am doing is commenting on the changing face of warfare and how contractors are outnumbering volunteer forces in the Wars on Terror


Since we are arguing semantics. I haven't seen nor heard of a draft forcing somebody to serve. Whether employed by the armed services or by contract they are employed by freedom of choice.

They volunteered when they freely signed up..



Edit to say ...

I am not going to get into a thread spat over this, but wanted to make the point that roles traditionally undertaken by uniformed volunteers are now contracted out. Whether that is paramilitary, diplomatic security details, translators, supply drivers etc. The point is that warfare is changing and never before have we seen so many contractors deployed to war zones.


I also wont bother continuing this semi off topic spat.
I'd suggest reading up on military history. This is nothing new.
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posted on Jun, 4 2012 @ 12:51 PM
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Agreed, I will stop now as this is going somewhat off topic.

Another thread ... another time.



posted on Jun, 4 2012 @ 01:10 PM
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I think the biggest problem with the Occupy movement is that they rally against neo-liberalism and what they perceive as a broken capitalist utopia, but don't really offer alternatives.


Do we have an alternate economic model? No (which also means we're not supporting marxism) but, we are fighting for getting money out of politics and restoring true representation of the People in our government. We are also exposing toxic capitalism such as illegal foreclosures of homes, and Wall St gambling with our economy. I don't know if now is the time to push alternatives. Discuss? Yes absolutely. I think there's a lot of value in regaining what we've lost through corruption as a first step.



posted on Jun, 4 2012 @ 01:16 PM
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If you give the occupy movement direction and message
In its goals, it becomes the same as tea party
In my opinion, occupy components are more susceptible to mind control
That is why they hate conventional reform; they for the most part are instructed to do so.
Most protesters can’t give you any idea why they are there.
There can only be two schools of thought, there will or there will not be a US government, as we know it.
Force the government to give out money by using violence is extortion. A federal crime under the constitution
Or
Change the system from within as provisioned under law



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