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posted on Jun, 3 2012 @ 09:10 PM
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Originally posted by LilDudeissocool

... but "How is this radiation going to pass through time if it can't make space by moving across space?" No mass, nor gravity, no time, no movement.


Can you expand on that? I'm not sure what you mean.




posted on Jun, 3 2012 @ 09:11 PM
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Originally posted by CLPrime
reply to post by SedatedSon
 


Stellar black holes are the cores of stars that have gravitationally collapsed.
As for supermassive (galactic) black holes, they form because the centers of galaxies are full of dense material. This isn't star-making material because it's too big and unstable, but it's obviously perfect for black hole formation.



Can this super dense material be smashed so complete that it forms/separates back into a tiny sphere of pure energy?



posted on Jun, 3 2012 @ 09:13 PM
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Originally posted by CLPrime

Originally posted by LilDudeissocool

... but "How is this radiation going to pass through time if it can't make space by moving across space?" No mass, nor gravity, no time, no movement.


Can you expand on that? I'm not sure what you mean.


This> en.wikipedia.org...



posted on Jun, 3 2012 @ 09:13 PM
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Pure energy would be photons. That's a compact ball of light...which is only possible if it's a black hole.
So, you've created a black hole.



posted on Jun, 3 2012 @ 09:14 PM
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reply to post by LilDudeissocool
 


Okay...can you expand on how gravitational time dilation relates to making space, and to no time without moving through space?



posted on Jun, 3 2012 @ 09:25 PM
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So everything on the electromagnetic spectrum can be broken down into photons? I'm lost



posted on Jun, 3 2012 @ 09:26 PM
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reply to post by LilDudeissocool
 


Photons are the entire EM spectrum. The EM spectrum is light...light is photons.



posted on Jun, 3 2012 @ 09:32 PM
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Originally posted by CLPrime
reply to post by LilDudeissocool
 


Okay...can you expand on how gravitational time dilation relates to making space, and to no time without moving through space?


Without gravity there can be no time, Without tim there can be no movment of anything across space. "Spares radiation." You stated on the previous page that there would be vast distances between particles. They individually would not be able to create a gravitational well deep enough to produce any movement through time. They would be statically trapped within their frame of time reference, and no more space could then be created for the particle to physically move across space, or create it for that matter. A gravitational well is a time well more or less.



posted on Jun, 3 2012 @ 09:34 PM
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Originally posted by CLPrime
reply to post by LilDudeissocool
 


Photons are the entire EM spectrum. The EM spectrum is light...light is photons.



a form of energy
en.wikipedia.org...

That's all energy?



posted on Jun, 3 2012 @ 09:36 PM
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Originally posted by ChaoticOrder

Originally posted by syrinx high priest
how cute

man thinks he understands the universe

I don't claim to understand anything. The only truth is in knowing you know nothing.

This is just a theory, and that was stated in the title but I shortened it.
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Whats cute so you think man is incapable of understanding the universe when we are part of the fabric of the univers and as all things in the universe are connected we are the universe. I understand the concepts of your OP and it makes more sence to me than S Hawkings theorys re the blackhole...If an infinitely dense infinitely small black hole spontaniously apeared from nothing .It could not be the origins of our universe via a big bang,As it would forever remain in that state no spin or torqe as theres nothing for it to spin in there is no space no void just this dence black hole that nothing could ever escape from,As all of the matter an time an space or spacetime are inside this black hole thers not even space for Hawking radiation to ocour to somehow lessen the mass of this blackhole an cause an explosion to ocour over a graham google trillion years. No it would just sit stagnant trapped for eternity in its infinite ly dence infinitely small . state.Anyway thats my twopennyth worth star an flags for your theory O P reading you an your mentors posts make me feel infinitelly dense at times...................



posted on Jun, 3 2012 @ 09:39 PM
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Yep, a photon is energy, and light is made of photons, so all light (the entire EM spectrum, from radio waves, to microwaves, to visible light, to gamma radiation) is energy.



posted on Jun, 3 2012 @ 09:41 PM
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Gravity doesn't create time, it warps it. Time exists without gravity.
Why does space have to be created in order for a particle to move through time?
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posted on Jun, 3 2012 @ 09:41 PM
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All that you listed off are made of photons then?



posted on Jun, 3 2012 @ 09:43 PM
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That's right. Radio waves, Microwaves, Infrared, Visible light, Ultraviolet, X-rays, and Gamma radiation are the regions of the EM spectrum, and they are all photons. The only difference between them is their frequency/wavelength.



posted on Jun, 3 2012 @ 10:01 PM
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Originally posted by CLPrime
reply to post by LilDudeissocool
 


Gravity doesn't create time, it warps it. Time exists without gravity.
Why does space have to be created in order for a particle to move through time?
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Time is the forth dimension completed in its entirety. We simply move through time, one slice/moment at a "time." pun
Gravity warps time as it can bend light. That takes mass. Mass is what it takes to create a gravity well in the fabric of space. With out time energy cannot move nor change form and therefore create space. Because gravity can warp the frame of time reference of things moving across space this means it is only changing the frame of reference of those things moving across space and not time itself. Without a deep enough gravity well to warp space and therefore time, such as would be the case with a lone photon, at this point time can not take place any longer, and whatever had been moving across space no longer can as it will completely stop in time. Everything that happen prior, all that photon had been connected to, the singularity, will come smashing into one. Zero time. A big time crunch. Space and time become one once more in a tiny primeval atom. That primeval atom does exist some where as all frames of time do, just not in our current frames we are moving through right at this moment.



posted on Jun, 3 2012 @ 10:02 PM
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Originally posted by CLPrime
reply to post by LilDudeissocool
 


That's right. Radio waves, Microwaves, Infrared, Visible light, Ultraviolet, X-rays, and Gamma radiation are the regions of the EM spectrum, and they are all photons. The only difference between them is their frequency/wavelength.





regions of the EM spectrum



What are the other regions?



posted on Jun, 3 2012 @ 10:04 PM
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There are no other regions.



posted on Jun, 3 2012 @ 10:08 PM
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So the primeval atom must had been one super dense photon containing all the energy now contained in the entire Universe?



posted on Jun, 3 2012 @ 10:09 PM
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Moving/changing energy doesn't create space, and I still have no clue what you're trying to say about gravity creating time. Gravity is subject to time like everything else. And movement isn't indicative of the passage of time, 'cause an object can stop moving altogether and time will still keep going. Besides, these particles in a super-stretched universe...they're still moving at the speed of light. Even if you equate movement with time, they're all moving at the same constant speed, so time is still unchanged.



posted on Jun, 3 2012 @ 10:10 PM
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There was no primeval atom. No super-dense photon (by which you must mean a photon containing the entire energy of the universe). If there were, it would have formed a black hole.





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