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Medical Description of the Flogging and Crucifixion of Jesus

The following is excerpted from The Expositors Bible Commentary (Volume 8, pages 775-780, Zondervan Publishing House, Grand Rapids, Michigan, 1984.)



(Commenting on Mark 15:15) The Romans first stripped the victim and tied his hands to a post above his head. The whip (flagellum) was made of several pieces of leather with pieces of bone and lead embedded near the ends. Two men, one on each side of the victim, usually did the flogging. The Jews mercifully limited flogging to a maximum of forty stripes; the Romans had no such limitation. The following is a medical doctor’s description of the physical effects of flogging.

The heavy whip is brought down with full force again and again across Jesus’ shoulders, back, and legs. At first the heavy thongs cut through the skin only. Then, as the blows continue, they cut deeper in the subcutaneous tissues, producing first and oozing of blood from the capillaries and veins of the skin, and finally spurting arterial bleeding from vessels in the underlying muscles… Finally the skin of the back is hanging in long ribbons and the entire area is an unrecognizable mass of torn, bleeding tissue. (C. Truman Davis, "The Crucifixion of Jesus. The Passion of Christ from a Medical Point of View," Arizona Medicine 22, no. 3 [March 1965]: 185)

It is not surprising that victims of Roman floggings seldom survived.

(Commenting on Mark 15:17-18) The crown was made of some kind of prickly plant such as abounds in Palestine. This they pressed into his scalp. Again there must have been copious bleeding because the scalp is one of the most vascular areas of the body.

(Commenting on Mark 15:19) The mocking was followed by further physical violence. The blows hitting his head from the staff drove the thorns more deeply into Jesus’ scalp and caused even more profuse bleeding. They also kept spitting on him…

(Commenting on Mark 15:20) At last tiring of their sadism, the soldiers tore the robe from Jesus’ back. The fabric had probably stuck to the clots of blood and serum in the wounds. Thus when it was callously ripped off him, it caused excruciating pain, just as when a bandage is carelessly removed. Jesus’ own clothes were now put back on him.

(Commenting on Mark 15:21) Men condemned to die by crucifixion were customarily required to carry the heavy wooden crosspiece (patibulum) on which they were to be nailed, to the place of execution. Jesus started out carrying his cross (John 19:17), but it proved to be too much for him. The patibulum usually weighed thirty or forty pounds and was usually strapped across the shoulders. One can hardly imagine the pain caused by the rough heavy beam pressing into the lacerated skin and muscles of Jesus’ shoulders. The scourging of blood so weakened him that he could not go on carrying the heavy crossbeam.

(Commenting on Mark 15:24) Mark simply says, "And they crucified him." What incredible restraint! Especially when one considers that crucifixion was, as Cicero said, "the cruelest and most hideous punishment possible" (In Verrem 5.54.165). What took place physically is described by Davis ("Crucifixion of Jesus," pp. 186-187).

Simon is ordered to place the patibulum on the ground and Jesus is quickly thrown backwards with his shoulders against the wood. The legionnaire feels for the depression at the front of the wrist. He drives a heavy, square, wrought-iron nail through the wrist and deep into the wood. Quickly he moves to the other side and repeats the action, being careful not to pull the arms too tightly, but to allow some flexion and movement. The cross is then lifted into place.

The left foot is pressed backward against the right foot, and with both feet extended, toes down, a nail is driven through the arch of each, leaving the knees moderately flexed. The victim is now crucified. As he slowly sags down with more weight on the nails in the wrists, excruciating, fiery pain shoots along the fingers and up the arms to explode in brain—the nails in the wrists are putting pressure on the median nerves. As he pushes himself upward to avoid this stretching torment, he places the full weight on the nail through his feet. Again he feels the searing agony of the nail tearing through the nerves between the metatarsal bones of the feet.

At this point, another phenomenon occurs. As the arms fatigue, cramps sweep through the muscles, knotting them in deep, relentless, throbbing pain. With these cramps comes the inability to push himself upward to breathe. . . . Air can be drawn into the lungs but not exhaled. Jesus fights to raise himself in order to get even one small breath. Finally carbon dioxide builds up in the lungs and in the blood stream, and the cramps partially subside. Spasmodically he is able to push himself upward to exhale and bring in life-giving oxygen.



Hours of this limitless pain, cycles of twisting, joint-rending cramps, intermittent partial asphyxiation, searing pain as tissue is torn from his lacerated back as he moves up and down against the rough timber. Then another agony begins a deep, crushing pain deep in the chest as the pericardium slowly fills with serum and begins to compress the heart.



It is now almost over—the loss of tissue fluids reached a critical level—the compressed heart is struggling to pump heavy, thick, sluggish blood into the tissues—the tortured lungs are making a frantic effort to gasp in small gulps of air. . . . The body of Jesus is now in extremis, and He can feel the chill of death creeping through his tissues . . . . His mission of atonement has been completed. Finally he can allow His body to die.



All this, the Bible records with the simple words, "And they crucified him" (Mark 15:24).

Apparently crucifixion is still practised in some eastern countries? I don't think I could possibly imagine a more sadistic, disgusting act of violence even if I tried. The crucifixion as taught in most relgions is soooooo watered down and all flowers and honey. Watching the passion of christ gave me a real thump back into reality and as to how horrible the event would have been.

Seriously, if I were an omnipotent being, and my only "son" had just been tortured, maimed and killed in this manner, I'd be throwing lightning bolts left right and center In my opinion people who committed (commit?) these acts, ESPECIALLY those who enjoy it have something wrong in the head and don't deserve to be on this planet....If i ever become omnipotent may the me have mercy on the poor fool who gets on my wrong side

Well its Lent time and this should be read by those that believe that your sins were paid for in this manner.....


For God so loved the world.....................

Its that time of year again...Thought I would re-share this as it is relevant to the times at hand.

Good time to watch the Passion of the Christ also, it might not be 100% accurate, but it does give an idea of what the Christ went through for all mankind.

Ed,

I have the book, "A Doctor at Calvary" The passion of our Lord Jesus Christ as Described by a Surgeon.

Author: Pierre Barbet, M.D.

I have been rereading this book for many years during Holy Week. His description is really close to what you have posted above. This year I also have the DVD of The Passion of the Christ.

It is good for me to remember just what the cost was for the mercy of the forgiveness of my sins. I imagine that the agony in the Garden where he took on the sins of the world and my sins was much more painful though.

jesus wasn't the only messiah to die for your sins at the time, i hope you all realize that

and you should also acknowledge the sacrafice of dionysus for your sins
and that of horus

Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
jesus wasn't the only messiah to die for your sins at the time, i hope you all realize that
and you should also acknowledge the sacrafice of dionysus for your sins
and that of horus

And to think that thousands saw those two after they rose from the dead also...wink wink.

Originally posted by edsinger
And to think that thousands saw those two after they rose from the dead also...wink wink.

i'm not sure about thousands. but if thousands claimed to have seen jesus rise from the dead, WHY DIDN'T THEY WRITE SOMETHING DOWN! or at least find someone to write it down for them if they were illiterate. that's the type of thing you see and say "i'm writing down the exact date that this happened." hell, i've recorded much less extraordinary experiences.

Originally posted by Mahree
I have the book, "A Doctor at Calvary" The passion of our Lord Jesus Christ as Described by a Surgeon.

I have read that. It is amazing and it stays with you for a very long time. Prayer and meditation after reading that are never the same! I highly recommend the book.

Originally posted by madnessinmysouli'm not sure about thousands. but if thousands claimed to have seen jesus rise from the dead, WHY DIDN'T THEY WRITE SOMETHING DOWN!

Uh Some did - John and Matthew that guy named Paul

Others wrote down first hand accounts Luke etc...

Maybe there are some earlier writings that we have yet to find, who knows.

Its amazing that so many were willing to die without having actually SEEN him.

Originally posted by edsinger
Uh Some did - John and Matthew that guy named Paul

Others wrote down first hand accounts Luke etc...

Maybe there are some earlier writings that we have yet to find, who knows.

the consensus in the field of biblical history says that the matthew through john were written around the third century. did luke live to be over 300 years old?

ohh, maybe there are earlier accounts...
maybe they're with the unicorn horns

Its amazing that so many were willing to die without having actually SEEN him.

it's not really that surprising, people died for the cult of dionysus too
they just didn't survive as a group because no emperors declared that the dionysian cult was the official religion of their empire.

Rren, i'll get back to you sometime before friday. at the moment i'm just cruising to clear my mind between writing papers at midnight and i'm still swamped with work that i didn't do during spring break. i'll get you the and i meant the second century not the third.... oops, my bad. i'm a bit frazzled right now.

send me a U2U if i neglect this duty

3rd?

Someone already took care of that one....

Yes FIRSTHAND witnesses to it, most were martyred for their belief also.

I tend to think that the Gospels and the Letters of Paul were all written BEFORE 100AD. As was pointed out, these were probably copies, so the originals had to be older yet.

Originally posted by edsinger
3rd?

Someone already took care of that one....

Yes FIRSTHAND witnesses to it, most were martyred for their belief also.

I tend to think that the Gospels and the Letters of Paul were all written BEFORE 100AD. As was pointed out, these were probably copies, so the originals had to be older yet.

just popping in, not enough time to do my serious research or put up a post that hits the character limit.

paul wasn't a contemporary of jesus by PAUL'S account.

also, nowhere does paul claim jesus to be a historical figure

Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
also, nowhere does paul claim jesus to be a historical figure

Your kidding right? He persecuted the followers of a non-historical figure??

Originally posted by edsinger

Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
also, nowhere does paul claim jesus to be a historical figure

Your kidding right? He persecuted the followers of a non-historical figure??

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yes, obviously it was a different time. religions didn't claim to be based on historical figures in that region. did the christians not persecute the followers of pagan gods?

i love how, instead of trying to cite a single passage in which jesus is claimed to be historical by paul like a reasonable person would you ask a skewed question