reply to post by DerepentLEstranger
Well, in terms of violence, when was the last time a super-minority of the population became violent and brought change beyond their own imprisonment
in the end? I know Occupy folks will take issue with the Super-Minority term to describe the movement, but it's accurate. Last October, Tel Aviv
Israel saw 400,000 (no typo) people on the streets and in protest. Were people being beaten by the cops? Rights violated? Folks starving? no....
400,000 people went to the streets in Tel Aviv because the "rent was too damn high", to quote a rather colorful candidate from New York last cycle.
Now, the highest total I know of for Occupy to date was last year and at the end of the season when a march from Zuccotti Park dove tailed into a
Union protest and they both became a single group for a few hours. As I recall, that was in excess of 30,000 people for that single group, at once.
That's about the all time record..and it took the addition of another protest in progress. (This is ONE group, ONE place, ONE contiguous
protest......multiple events in the same city don't count. That wasn't Cairo, Tel Aviv or Tunisia)
When Occupy can stand up 10,000 or 50,000 people on one of their action days, at each major city location, then I will change my tune entirely and
look upon the movement with a whole new sense of respect. Occupy will have arrived, and on it's way to becoming a force for change. Right now though?
They're a rather poor and violent variant of the 1960's movements and in my view, trying to replicate them.
- Kent State was a tragedy. An absolute tragedy. I wasn't alive then and wouldn't be for another few years but I've read as much as anyone who
wasn't. I can't honestly say I can relate to the mindsets, attitudes, perceptions or events of that time. I'm honest on that. Those little things
are EVERYTHING, in my take, for how that came to happen. Why Kent State when the People's Park Massacre back in the Bay area didn't produce anything
like the same coverage or reaction? Who knows...but there is one enormous difference.
This isn't 1970 and it sure isn't over the Vietnam War. The people at Kent State couldn't have known people would die that day and had no reason to
really suspect it from what I've read. Previous U.S. protests hadn't killed anyone like that..despite some awfully hard effort at times. So why
think anyone walking onto the grass that day wouldn't leave? For Occupy however, every member knows the history, they know the opposition and tactics
or have NO excuse for not knowing by now and every member of Occupy MUST know the other side here is absolutely capable of killing.
Ask Scott Olsen about the danger here.
THAT is the difference. The kids at Kent State didn't know better. Occupy absolutely does. Kent State came from folks, I believe, were trying to end
a war and save lives...not fight the National Guard and get hurt or killed. Occupy *IS* going out, set to fight, every night....again
One was a tragedy, the other is inevitable.
Just give thought to whose handling that notification part. That wasn't a dig or point of argument. I thought before I wrote that and
considered...Last October..would I have stood at the door of a parent for a member of the camp who may have been killed protesting? My answer? Yes and
in my case as part of the safety committee, I'd have considered it my job....and so I said what I did.
I hope groups do consider it and handle the issue honorably and straight down the middle when it eventually comes.