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Originally posted by TheComte
reply to post by golemina
Well, you didn't disappoint me. I thought you would reply with total nonsense and you didn't let me down. I'm just pointing out that you're 100% wrong about the age of mountains. Oh, and the whole "earth has almost been destroyed twice in the last 4500 years" is another fairy tale. Take it how you will.
Originally posted by onecraftydude
I also studied theology and it convinced me that God does not exist and a lot of weak people are driven by threats of eternal damnation. Fortunately I was also studying psychology and figured out that these same people are exactly like the German's who supported Hitler even after they had to deny to themselves that all those innocent Jews had been systematically weeded out of their country. They knew those people were being killed and that Hitler was insane, but they were scared so they made up their own reality and decided to support their Fuhrer fervently.
Originally posted by golemina
Originally posted by Aloysius the Gaul
Sorry - thought it was a joke.
OK - got any actual evidence to support that assertion?
I'm sorry... Were my instructions to climb a mountain and examine the rocks TOO complicated?
Come on guys! STOP believing your FAIRY TALE 'Science' and embrace the REALITY... of the world around you
Trouble with this idea that science is a "fairy tale" is that science keeps managing to explain things well, and it keeps being repeatable - you can "do the science" yourself and get the same answers...time after time after time. And it's process keeps finding better and better information overall.
Ah! THERE is the rub...
There are a LOT of REAL Scientists. And guess what?
They see that your so-called 'science' simply doesn't match that little tiny thing some of us like to call REALITY.
It's just so damned inconvenient that all the theistic explanations simply cannot compete in those terms.
This would be you making an invalid assumption... And being wrong to boot.
However they try - theists always seem to try to co-opt science by trying to make their ideas sound scientific - trying to copy scientific techniques such as , by trying peer review for example.
Quoting Wiki anything?
Please... This is supposed to be a serious discussion.
Dude... Let me help you out.
I'm not one of your Bible thumpers...
Yes, a bit of a paradox.
The Earth having been practically destroyed TWICE during the last 4500 years!
Well, you see, it's pretty much a new planet.
Which would make the Bible thumpers you show such disdain for... MORE correct than you.
Ouch!
Originally posted by Aloysius the Gaul
no - but I lack the expertise to do such analysis, therefore your instructions were useless.
They weer also not actually EVIDENCE.
another assertion by you - got any actual evidence to back it up?
Wrong because of what? This is getting a bit repetitive, but how about you provide some evidence to support your assertion??
Is my reference actually wrong? Again - got any actual EVIDENCE, or is it wrong jsut 'cos you disagree with it?
Still looking for any actual evidence - 'cos you saying it is so doesn't actually carry much weight...and the more you say it without any evidence the lighter and lighter it gets......
Originally posted by Aloysius the Gaul
reply to post by golemina
Here's a list of your posts in this thread - www.abovetopsecret.com...&mem=golemina
Perhaps you could identify which of them answered anything at all?
sharp edges on rocks?? Gosh - who would have thought that would ever happen....
Mt Cook, New Zealand - lost 10m off its top in 1991...might have made a sharp rock or 2 I think......
In the past, science did not have an answer for things that science DOES have an answer for now. As technology and knowledge increases and gets better, the better we can understand things. So, who's to say that the origins of life won't be figured out by scientists in the next 100 years?
Originally posted by syrinx high priest
for sure ? science doesn't even have an answer at all. all it has is the southpark underpants gnome profit chart
step 1 - water
step 2 - ?
step 3 - DNA molecule !
it's the greatest question of them all, and all I'm saying is there is no answer so the creation theory is as good as any
and fwiw, I believe in evolution, just not as an explanation for the origins of life
just speciation
Originally posted by Aloysius the Gaul
reply to post by golemina
Why don't you just identify where you provided these answers??
Originally posted by Hydroman
In the past, science did not have an answer for things that science DOES have an answer for now. As technology and knowledge increases and gets better, the better we can understand things. So, who's to say that the origins of life won't be figured out by scientists in the next 100 years?
We are finding more and more planets every day. One of these days we may reach these planets, heck we may find the beginnings of life on one of our local planets, who knows? Did god put all those there too? Some may exist in conditions that we thought were impossible. You know what creationists will say? That their god put that there too. Science can't win for losing.
Originally posted by golemina
How is it we believe the Earth to be 4.5 billions years... EXACTLY what is our basis in fact? How did Mr. Magic Cueball come up with the number 4.5 billion in the little view port?
Originally posted by OpenEars123
I GENUINELY cannot think of anything more ridiculous than the earth being 6000 years old. No wait a minute!....... Nope, still nothing.
Originally posted by golemina
Originally posted by Aloysius the Gaul
reply to post by golemina
Why don't you just identify where you provided these answers??
You've totally dismissed everything that has been offered to you without a nanoseconds consideration... without so much as a single glance...
With prejudice AND derision.
How is it we believe the Earth to be 4.5 billions years... EXACTLY what is our basis in fact? How did Mr. Magic Cueball come up with the number 4.5 billion in the little view port? What is our evidence Aloysius the Gaul?
Originally posted by Aloysius the Gaul
Sciences, theories and results you have to ignore or provide alternative explanations for to believe the earth is recently created, regardless of whether you think that for religious reasons or not:
these support the contention that it is >10,000 years old:
Dendrochronology
Human Y-chromosomal ancestry
Oxidizable Carbon Ratio dating
Rock varnish
Thermoluminescence dating
>100,000 years:
Coral
Fission track dating
Ice layering
Lack of DNA in fossils
Permafrost
Weathering rinds
>1,000,000 years:
Amino acid racemization
Continental drift
Cosmogenic nuclide dating
Erosion
Geomagnetic reversals
Impact craters
Iron-manganese nodules
Length of the prehistoric day
Naica megacrystals
Nitrogen in diamonds
Petrified wood
Sedimentary varves
Stalactites
Space weathering
>1,000,000,000 years:
Lunar retreat
Radioactive decay
Taken from here - except I have removed those that I think relate to the creation of the universe rather than just the earth, such as relativistic jets and distant starlight.
Originally posted by Aloysius the Gaul
Originally posted by golemina
Originally posted by Aloysius the Gaul
reply to post by golemina
Why don't you just identify where you provided these answers??
You've totally dismissed everything that has been offered to you without a nanoseconds consideration... without so much as a single glance...
With prejudice AND derision.
Really? I though I had looked at every single post you have made in this thread, taking about 10-15 minutes to do so, provided a link to that search here on ATS.
But since the only "answer" I can see that yo provided is that there are sharp rocks on mountains that have not weathered, then yes I have dismissed it - but it did take me longer than nanoseconds - microseconds would be more accurate.
And I see you still don't actually provide any actual evidence for to support your claims other than sharp rocks - just more attacks on me because I dare to say you haven't provided any answers.
Apparently it is OK for you to do so, but not OK for me to have missed those answers - all you have to do is provide a link to the post or posts where you provided them - surely it would be simple enough to do
How is it we believe the Earth to be 4.5 billions years... EXACTLY what is our basis in fact? How did Mr. Magic Cueball come up with the number 4.5 billion in the little view port? What is our evidence Aloysius the Gaul?
I don't recall every having said the earth is 4.5 billion years old anywhere in this thread. Where did you get that I had done so?
edit on 2-5-2012 by Aloysius the Gaul because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by golemina
Can I ask a dumb question...
Where is the answer for the age of the Earth? (You know 4.5 bill.... etc. etc.)
That is a fairly specific assertion... I'm looking for that specific methodology.