UN to investigate plight of US Native Americans for first time

reply to post by Panic2k11

It is not only your opinion it is a fact all indigenous people have and will continue to be abused, in Europe it really started to hurt with the Romans, in Asia they were at it for a longer time yet, but all over the world it has been repeated and if we haver meet our selves another civilization or are found by a superior one it will again repeat itself...

Maybe the tribes of the world should be given the same rights as a nation.

Originally posted by Xcathdra
reply to post by purplemer

 

Im a bit confused as to the UN's approach on this one. Technically speaking Tribal lands are autonomous and have direct relations with the US Federal government through the Bureau of Indian Affairs. Local / State Law Enforcement has no jurisdiction inside tribal territory unless they are specifically commissioned by the govorning tribal authourity.

Tribal authorities are the sole party that oversee's / administors tribal nations. The US government has recently settled some major cases dealing with the settlement of tribal complaints from ignored treaty stipulations from back in the day.

Compensation, including money as well as territory, has been occuring for some time now.

Unless they are just going to look over the issues I dont see what else they can really do. Nothing wrong with another set of independent eyes though....

Tribal councils are the sole authorities? Aren't you forgetting the BIA? There is nothing that could help to solve the problems on the rez as much as eliminating this agency of the federal government. They make the idea of Indian autonomy " a bad joke.

The Beeah Tribe

RECENTLY anthropologists, who are dedicated to keeping the Indian alive if for no other reason than they can make money studying him, discovered a new tribe.

This newly discovered group is known as the Beeah Tribe (pronounced BIA Tribe). A new book, A Man Called Horse S___, by Dr. He-Sells-Out, beloved Indian expert, has been released by the Association on Preserving the Cute Ways of Brown People.

The book describes the strange rites and rituals of this much persecuted tribe. Torn from their ancestral homes on Fifth Avenue in New York City to far flung agencies around the country, the Beeah Tribe is held together by its function of running the affairs of all other tribes.

Incantations such as "Let me refer you to this other office," and "I'll look into that," are invoked daily to magically free oneself from harassment by people asking questions such as, "I'm hungry, what can I do?"

The chief is appointed by the President of the United States and all members are ranked from GS-1 to GS-18. The lowest ranking members are usually those who belong to other tribes as well as to the Beeah Tribe.

The daily rituals of the tribe are graphically described. These include one hour coffee breaks, 100 dollars a day consulting fees, the feet-propped-up-desk-cigar-in-mouth ritual, being photographed holding an Indian child, buck passing, and back slapping.

Dr. He-Sells-Out, in one of his more revelatory findings, has noted that the Beeah Tribe exists only at the expense of other Tribes. It cannot seem to live unless it has drained the other Tribes' human and natural resources and has sapped its leadership and initiative. In the language of the Beeah Tribe this is known as "community development" (pronounced "rob-ber-ry").

Needless to say, the mind of the Beeah Tribe is mystifying to outsiders.
With a straight face a member of the Beeah Tribe will say that Indian religion and dances are bad and should be eradicated. But if you can find some white people to charge other white people to see you perform them, it is all right. Or, they will say that every Indian should be educated; but once educated he should not be given a job that his education merits.

This is a warlike tribe in constant conflict with other tribes. Occasionally, through incompetence the Beeah Tribe does something the other tribes like but these lapses are quickly corrected.

We thank Dr. He-Sells-Out for his valuable contribution to Knowledge we already know.

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reply to post by purplemer


I never understood why the current arrangement is never met by global outrage. When the Jewish people of WW2 were being eradicated, the world killed the aggressors and gave the Jewish people an entire nation. However, when America subjugates, murders, and then marginalizes the inhabitants of an entire continent, they get rural versions of "The Projects".

I see no excuse for the collective tribes of North America to not have a small enclave nation on their soil. Why has this never been done? There are several states that would make ideal locations (Pacific Northwest would be perfect).

Originally posted by The Sword
reply to post by Wrabbit2000

 

You're ignoring the topic of Native Americans and dragging this whole discussion off-topic.

Put aside your UN hate for a moment and think about the article.

No, he's adding to the discussion... something you are not.

reply to post by frazzle


I guess you missed the second sentence in my post -

Technically speaking Tribal lands are autonomous and have direct relations with the US Federal government through the Bureau of Indian Affairs.

reply to post by Xcathdra


Oops, I did miss that part, sorry. But that's the key to the problems on the reservations.

I spoke with a man from Pine Ridge awhile back and he was complaining that all their police patrol cars were in desperate need of repair, but even though there are many unemployed men on the rez who are capable mechanics, the BIA insists on contracting with (non Indian) garages in Rapid City and that they consistently put reservation vehicles on the back burner.

BIA has always been counter-intuitive and counter-productive in their dealings with the tribes (my grandfather was employed with the Interior Dept. in the Dakotas in the early 1900s and he quit out of disgust over their policies), so adding another bunch of counter productive paper pushers to the mix is insane.

And its the proverbial camel's nose under the tent.

reply to post by purplemer


Excellent thread, FYI have another watch of 'The Shining' by Stanley Kubrick - it is unmistakeable that there is a sub-narrative that deals with American history, specifically the slaughter of the people that lived there first and subsequent slavery from Africa. The story is a sub-narrative so is not obvious on first watching gives more clues

Peace

Originally posted by Wrabbit2000
It isn't the 1950's or 60's where ignorance and bigotry is institutional and fully integrated into society.

They aren't? Are you kidding me? Ignorance and bigotry are an an all time high in America. The American people are stupid, complacent, and chauvinistic. Outside of America there are still plenty of barbaric, idiotic practices within society; look at Sharia law, all instances of nationalism and hyper-nationalism, etc.

Humans have not changed much in 60 years, or 5 thousand, sorry. We have states repealing equal pay laws for women, we have MEN debating how women can govern their bodies, we have blacks threatening a race war over the sensationalized and commercialized death of Trayvon Martin, and you think that ignorance and bigotry don't have deep roots in our society?

Our society is built upon ignorance and bigotry.

This aside, how is it okay for us to dictate what's okay for other countries, yet condemn the UN for doing the same to us? The lifestyle difference between the wealthy and the poor in this country is atrocious; we're supposed to be the leader of the free world, yet we have a ton of poverty? How does this make any logical sense; if we're a first world country, why do we have people living in filthy conditions, like the natives?

The white man is a plague, what the world offers him is never enough, so he takes and takes to his peril, as he has throughout history, and as he is doing now. Once our nation collapses we'll live just like the natives, and probably be conquered like them, too.

The treatment of the Native Peoples of the Americas is and has always been a travesty.

The answer however, lies nowhere near the UN. This is just a situation they see fit to exploit in an attempt to legitimize their illegal foreign government, over our nation....just like what happened to the first nations on this continent.

I don't think repeating the same behavior is the answer.

reply to post by DarthMuerte


A star for you but I do not believe that we share the rational to get a separation of the UN and the USA. Well, since the fact is that the UN has done more to further the objectives of the government of the USA that the its citizens, at some point we may share something...

reply to post by purplemer


I don't see that happening and ultimately it couldn't be done in a just way, even if not recognizing basic equal rights is wrong.

Consider for example the plight of of the Gypsies/Travelers (in mostly in Europe), the objective should not be only to for acculturation on minorities but change the culture and society as to meet in a middle ground, but since most systems are by majorities this will never happen, because majorities will only support a minority if it is clearly on its own interests, even if in the long run...

That is the basic problem we have there is no escape from the system that is imposed on us, we are born in it and we are forced to endure it with very little chance to make any difference to it, because the control of it is closely guarded by a very powerful minority.

The other day I was thinking about this type of issues and how to escape the now global system, and it would be extremely hard, one can reduce dependency (and then support to the system) but there is really no viable escape. I think it is becoming obvious to everyone that the system needs to change, even this passion we have about apocalyptic events are a reflection of out understanding that we need a tabula rasa (blank slate), errors have accumulated and being integrated in such a form that there is no fix for what we have doomed humanity to, we created the Devil and now we are in the final stages of implementing hell on Earth...

Originally posted by The Sword
reply to post by Wrabbit2000

 

You're ignoring the topic of Native Americans and dragging this whole discussion off-topic.

Put aside your UN hate for a moment and think about the article.

Aside from this quick return, I've left this thread entirely, actually.....

Now the Article, topic and headline feature....not the trials and tribulations of the Native American in the United States today, which is atrocious, but the United Nations efforts to investigate it and interfere with our Nation's business.

On Native Americans? We Americans and we Americans ALONE...have much to do in that area and they have every reason to be furious and much much more. The history of betrayal and outright backstabbing of the Native Americans is long, distinguished and running right into 2012 and the Bureau of Indian Affairs under the Barack Obama Administration.

From Uranium mines polluting the Arizona and New Mexico "Checkerboard" Reservation lands to the grinding 5th world (Yeah..it goes PAST 3rd for category...and this fits) poverty and lack of basic services of the Northern Plains Reservations, its a black streak of deep shame that EVERY President back to the START should have addressed. Heck, the Constitution ITSELF should have addressed it. We saw fit for the amendments to address the Afrtican Slave issues when they were freed. Why not Native Americans? I see *NO* reason why not.


Having said all that....and at as much length and detail as one should ever have to in showing SUPPORT for a topic...


The UN as the solution is the worst case of solving one problem by making another I have ever heard of..and this would not even solve it. The UN is everyone's problem, NOT solution. To the extent the United States ONCE DID dominate it..and I'm not sure we EVER really "dominated it" (ask Russia and China on the Sec Council..how we OWNED the UN all those decades of the Cold War... :dn that sure ended. We've ceded positions in places like Human Rights so the WORST OFFENDERS can run the very councils designed to end the abuse of human beings. Go figure....

Additional UN control, TOTALLY ASIDE from whatever cause they are using to get here...is among the few things I would and WILL put aside my life and priorities for and look for ways to actively resist FULL TIME by whatever options are available to a law abiding American citizen. For the record tho..I'm as against UN meddling in OTHER nations as I am in this one. I'm far from one of the "Ugly Americans" calling foul when the UN says something about us...but DEMANDING they storm into every other nation. I'd be just as happy to see the UN just disband outright.

Anyway.... The person who I led to misunderstanding what I was trying to say apparently edited the msg after U2U traffic..and I thank them. My bad for not having been FAR clearer from pst 1. I just assumed this thread would carry into multiple messages and the conversation following would meander into all the rationale for the feelings. I hadn't anticipated SUCH a HARD CORE support for the UN to storm the American gates and kick them down.....regardless of the cause being cited.

reply to post by Wrabbit2000


Excellent post!!! I couldn't agree more.

Originally posted by DarthMuerte
Get the UN out of the US and the US out of the UN. They have no business here.

Then get the US out of every country you've invaded in the last 30 + years.

You have no business there.

Wow, the conservative, soulless few have really crawled out of the woodwork on this topic eh.

I stand behind the UN on this notion and I'm especially glad it's rocking the right wing, staunch idiocy to question the involvement of the UN. After all, wasn't it xenophobic conservative american policies which have destroyed countless other counties too?

If the indigenous tribes of the USA, the original people need help then they should get it.

reply to post by mr-lizard


That too. Absolutely. We don't have many options for doing that. Well, we have one option. Ron Paul.

(Referencing getting the US out of all those countries we've invaded. Sanctioned by the UN, of course.)

It is the way of this country to take from those who save and conserve and give it to those who waste and destroy. It's evident that "for the good of the people" was created for the survival of those who take risks or were distressed by those who took risks. These risky practices create a tax on the ones with common sense.

Native Americans deserve compensation for all the deceit and theft that have occurred in the past. It's important to note though that business ventures gained from this raping of the Indians land yet the citizens pay. Our country constantly cleans up after business messes and these businesses have paid very little in compensation and taxes to our government. Bankruptcy of corporations because of their unscrupulous practices have cost Taxpayers billions of dollars.

reply to post by Wrabbit2000




I know you said you left this topic, but I do hope and pray you read this post.

When it comes to the UN, I stated unequivocally they are nothing more than a puppet of the US. I believe that there has been a world wide outcry concerning this from the leaders of the nations of the world, and therefore the US is "allowing" the UN to come in... nothing will happen, they might find one or two small wrongs the US government has done and "tell" them to correct it, and life will go on the way it always has. Except now the US will be able to say she too was "attacked" and intruded upon by the UN. This is only for show, sadly.

I agree, it should be revamped or dismantled, since it is nothing more than a global joke.

That said, I do care about what happens to people, and it does sadden me that the American people have allowed their government to commit injustice against a people you owe your very prosperity to. Every thing you have, was built and gained upon their blood.

If you, the American people believe it is wrong, then you, the American people should stand with the Native Americans and help them to solve the problems, stand with them in the courts, stand with them, and stand against any injustice the government commits against them.

While you are busy sending billions to other countries, to increase the military power, to pay for illegal wars, people in your own country suffer... You can assist them in so many ways, both individually and nationally. But for over 300 years this is not happening. At some point something has to give, and at this point nothing is. No one listens, no one ever has.

Honestly, as wrong as the UN is, at least the Natives have some chance of at least a small gain through this.. a small gain or a small chance is better than none. And without some kind of intervention, it will be none, because it always has been none. That is why I would support the UN investigating, because a small thing, is better than no thing.

reply to post by frazzle


No worries.. It happens

I agree on the basics.. The Tribal police closest to where I live (they are in Oklahoma) have some very nice equipment, including night vision, new patrol vehicles etc etc etc. Its possible that in addition to mismanagment (either at Tribal Council or BIA levels) it also comes down to location and access to resources (just like anywhere else).

I dont care for the UN butting their nose into this type of situation however at the same time an extra set of eyes is a good thing. The issues between the Indian Nations and the US Government have been present for a long time and might be best resolved if there is a set of eyes that does not have a vested interest on either side at the political level.

I agree something should be done, but I think the answer to that question will be best answered by the people it directly affects - Native Americans.

"Plight?" Really? Living for free in an autonomous community without having to pay taxes is considered a "plight" now? Being allowed to run casinos and make stacks of money is a "plight?" Give me a break.