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UN to investigate plight of US Native Americans for first time

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posted on Apr, 22 2012 @ 05:55 PM
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We are aware of the plight of indigenous peoples in devleoping countries. But we dont hear to much about in western nations.

In 2010 the US signed up to a declaration to give basic rights to indigenous peoples of the world. As a consequence they are now being going to be investigated by the UN for the possible mistreatment of upto 2.7 million native Americans.




Many of the country's estimated 2.7 million Native Americans live in federally recognised tribal areas which are plagued with unemployment, alcoholism, high suicide rates, incest and other social problems.


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Apart from social issues, US Native Americans are involved in near continuous disputes over sovereignty and land rights. Although they were given power over large areas, most of it in the west, their rights are repeatedly challenged by state governments.


www.guardian.co.uk...

Personally I think that Indigenous peoples the world over have been abused. I welcome any change in policy on a national or international level to help protect their future.







posted on Apr, 22 2012 @ 06:10 PM
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I'm in Australia and I'm one of the few who has been watching their plight for the past few years quite closely, especially the Dakota tribes. A majority of their homes are in a total state beyond repair; food sent to them is worse than dog food, the list is long of what needs to be done. Unemployment - I think it was approx 90% last time I checked.

If anyone is interested, I have afew excellent websites of a couple of the Sioux Chiefs have about the problem but here is a Youtube vid:

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I would also like to point out, the Dakota tribes especially that in the North are sitting on a huge massive oil reserve of which I have the maps for.




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posted on Apr, 22 2012 @ 06:11 PM
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I'm awfully glad there is a whole Constitution they would have to throw through a shredder before the UN can offer more than a strong opinion about anything along these lines and about the internal affairs of our nation.

I feel even better knowing there is a majority in this nation who would and will do whatever the system calls for in preventing that little shredding party from ever happening. Within the system.. of course.

I'd be happy, come to think of it, to see that start with a President in 2016 who kindly invites the UN to get off our Soil entirely. I am SURE we can use that land in New York City much better and BEFORE we build them another far nicer building. What used to be tongue in cheek is getting more a rallying cry as the UN looks harder and harder at areas they have absolutely NO business of any kind in.

Our internal affairs are ENTIRELY outside their affairs.

In terms of Americans who would whine and cry to the International community. Well.. Boo on ya. If it can't be accomplished within the American system, leave America. Knock off this running to the world to 'tattle' on Uncle. It really IS as immature at the Global level as it was in grade school.

Change the system for the BETTER.... Inviting the blue hats in to rape and pillage isn't the answer.....but this path leads there eventually.



posted on Apr, 22 2012 @ 06:12 PM
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i think it good that if factions in american politics chooses to turn a blind eye a higher real power intervenes.



posted on Apr, 22 2012 @ 06:19 PM
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Our internal affairs are ENTIRELY outside their affairs.


The US has signed up to a declration. I do not know if it has any legal standing. Do you not think that Native Americans should be treated propely..?



The US signed up in 2010 to the declaration, which establishes minimum basic rights for indigenous people globally.




In terms of Americans who would whine and cry to the International community. Well.. Boo on ya. If it can't be accomplished within the American system, leave America


So you would expect the Native Americans to leave the US if they are not happy with the way they are being treated. That seems a little messed up to me...



posted on Apr, 22 2012 @ 06:27 PM
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Show me one single Indian reservation in the Dakota area that has full clean running water to all homes, sanitation, healthcare, decent food....all basic neccessities?



posted on Apr, 22 2012 @ 06:32 PM
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Personally I think that Indigenous peoples the world over have been abused.


It is not only your opinion it is a fact all indigenous people have and will continue to be abused, in Europe it really started to hurt with the Romans, in Asia they were at it for a longer time yet, but all over the world it has been repeated and if we haver meet our selves another civilization or are found by a superior one it will again repeat itself...



posted on Apr, 22 2012 @ 06:36 PM
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Get the UN out of the US and the US out of the UN. They have no business here.



posted on Apr, 22 2012 @ 06:49 PM
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The US has signed up to a declration. I do not know if it has any legal standing. Do you not think that Native Americans should be treated propely..?

I believe there is a great deal that needs to be done in making things right with the Native American population. By the policies of the U.S. Government and the infernal reservations that stand as examples of 3rd world poverty to this day in our nation, the injury has never ended.

As I recall hearing, the Government actually owes the Indian Nations a collective amount in mishandled funds and just plain thievery that would solve a number of their issues if ever paid. I don't recall the specific dollar amounts but it's been a big scandal to pop from the Indian Affairs people every couple years,

I just believe this is an INTERNAL problem for Americans to solve with our Native Americans and Non-Americans have no place whatever in this. It isn't the 1950's or 60's where ignorance and bigotry is institutional and fully integrated into society.

@ BlueMirage5

Show me an Africa Village or 3rd world nation that is measurably better after sustained U.N. "assistance" and intervention than they were before the blue hats arrived. I've yet to hear success stories. I HAVE heard numerous cases of wide spread rape, murder and other forms of depravity where U.N. blues are seen popping around the countryside.

The UN is Congress for being a bunch of blow hards that just screw things up. They're worse....because they're so much bigger.



posted on Apr, 22 2012 @ 06:49 PM
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Regardless of whether the UN has legal rights in the US is not the biggest issue here.

The fact is that Native Americans often live in substandard, poverty stricken reservations.

I'm part Cherokee- enough so that I qualify to live on res. Luckily my parents decided to forgo the reservation and it's been a wonderful decision for us.

The US is so quick to point out the failures in other countries, yet we turn a blind eye to our own



posted on Apr, 22 2012 @ 06:53 PM
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I don't need to be told the goings on inside the UN and their councils; quite frankly they are scum in my books and should had dismantled back in the early 1950s.



posted on Apr, 22 2012 @ 06:55 PM
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Originally posted by DarthMuerte
Get the UN out of the US and the US out of the UN. They have no business here.


good idea /sarc
and while we're at it Get the US out of all the countries it's occupying and trying to impose "democracy". They have no business there

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lol there dealing with the native problem in amerika /sarc

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posted on Apr, 22 2012 @ 06:59 PM
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Originally posted by bluemirage5
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I don't need to be told the goings on inside the UN and their councils; quite frankly they are scum in my books and should had dismantled back in the early 1950s.

Ahh.. My bad then. I thought your note was somehow supporting any part of UN involvement in this matter. Since you obviously dislike and distrust them as much as I do, I can see you must agree then. They can stay as far out of this as humanly possible.


Indeed though....The underlying issue of what American continues to allow to happen is a deep streak of shame for our entire nation. I think people see the big Indian Casinos and think they get repaid with interest so why complain. .....the people at the Casinos never had reason to take the back roads from Flagstaff up to I-15 in Utah, for instance. Wow...going up through that part of the America is like being in a different nation. Same thing in going north out of Gallup and across those lands. I'll never argue there is something terribly wrong with this part of America and nature didn't do it.



posted on Apr, 22 2012 @ 07:00 PM
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Why is it I don't think this has anything to do with the kind of ethical, and natural way we need to share with the natives, in fact, they should be the natural leaders and advisers and have real ways to block corporate development and greed, and access to good resources always. They are the Wayshowers to me.

However, this sounds like their way of getting into agenda 21, the opposite of what anyone including the natives, at least the ones not infilitrated by the black ops and some are, for they are very psi, would want.



posted on Apr, 22 2012 @ 07:07 PM
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The Native Americans of the United States have been trying to be heard, and repeatedly either ignored and/or outright fought against from the beginning of this nation.

There are tribal areas existing right now that make 3rd world countries have the appearance of wealthy kingdoms in comparison.

If it could have been handled within the United States between Europeans and Native Americans it would have long ago.

I will say something later about the UN, and the problems faced where concerning Native Americans later...and yes I understand how when writing something it comes across differently than how we are thinking and/or intending. I apologize for jumping to a conclusion as well...


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posted on Apr, 22 2012 @ 07:19 PM
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this won't be good for the Indians or the US
it will be an excuse for something



posted on Apr, 22 2012 @ 10:06 PM
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First, the UN is the brain child of the United States. Recently it is nothing more than an international extension of U.S. and its help meet and power base for overseas operations. The UN is nothing but a joke because of this fact. The truth is not what is sought, and its resolutions something large and powerful nations simply ignore at will.

This extension of US which we call the UN is not something I see anyone complaining about when it comes to their intervention at the behest of the US and its attempts to assist the US gain world wide support for its toppling of legitimate governments. No one complains.

I have not seen one thread stating how UN involvement in Syria and Syrian affairs is wrong, I will assume this is due to the fact the US currently wants to control Syria and the UN is going along quite happily in falsifying information to the world concerning the situation. NOT one thread, not even one complaint from any American on this board concerning UN lies for US benefit.

Yet, shock of all shocks, when the UN turns and looks at a problem, a very real one, in the United States concerning an ongoing and existing problem that has now spanned WELL over 300 years concerning the treatment and human rights of Native Americans on United States soil... then tongues start flying about how wrong the UN is for DARING to look at a LEGITIMATE and very serious problem with United States policy on her own soil.

By the way, that is one of the things the United Nations is supposed to do. Help those who have absolutely no other recourse. I believe the rights of the Native Americans qualify.

If the United States citizens cared one iota for anyone other than themselves, you might see the situation with the Native Americans change. But people, all Americans as citizens and human beings, have to change their hearts, and find within themselves compassion for other human beings because they are human beings.

I agree, the UN is nothing but a joke and is only another tool against foreign governments in the arsenal of the United States, and those who call themselves friends. But this is the ONLY reason it is ineffective, and the only reason it is a joke.

When the United States can VETO charges of war crimes against her.... it is only a joke to the world.

So, if you are going to complain, then complain no matter who is effected by this, even foreign governments you may not agree with. And if you are going to be independent, and not want intervention between you and those you have for hundreds of years made to suffer... then you change it!




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posted on Apr, 22 2012 @ 11:22 PM
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Originally posted by Danbones
this won't be good for the Indians or the US
it will be an excuse for something



I agree with you on that but its a bit good see something UN doing like investigating America and how the natives live in America.



posted on Apr, 23 2012 @ 01:32 AM
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Im a bit confused as to the UN's approach on this one. Technically speaking Tribal lands are autonomous and have direct relations with the US Federal government through the Bureau of Indian Affairs. Local / State Law Enforcement has no jurisdiction inside tribal territory unless they are specifically commissioned by the govorning tribal authourity.

Tribal authorities are the sole party that oversee's / administors tribal nations. The US government has recently settled some major cases dealing with the settlement of tribal complaints from ignored treaty stipulations from back in the day.

Compensation, including money as well as territory, has been occuring for some time now.

Unless they are just going to look over the issues I dont see what else they can really do. Nothing wrong with another set of independent eyes though....



posted on Apr, 23 2012 @ 02:01 AM
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You're ignoring the topic of Native Americans and dragging this whole discussion off-topic.

Put aside your UN hate for a moment and think about the article.







 
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