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Originally posted by Indigo5
reply to post by beezzer
Rabbits...
SCOTUS..."Rabbits" include wolves, lions and other creatures with eyes. You may now house them together at the zoo.
Originally posted by Indigo5
Originally posted by xuenchen
reply to post by Indigo5
Oh OK.
I was misunderstanding.
So they really do want to amend the 1st.
Not easy. Can't have it both ways.
The 1st Amendment language remains intact...this amendment defines "speech" in the 1st, similiar to what the SCOTUS ruling did, but with opposite intent and via Amendment.edit on 20-4-2012 by Indigo5 because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by beezzer
Originally posted by Indigo5
reply to post by beezzer
Rabbits...
SCOTUS..."Rabbits" include wolves, lions and other creatures with eyes. You may now house them together at the zoo.
Touche'.
Although you can still classify them all as animals.
Unless you actually feel the need to differentiate based on favouratism.
Originally posted by xuenchen
Originally posted by Indigo5
Originally posted by xuenchen
reply to post by Indigo5
Oh OK.
I was misunderstanding.
So they really do want to amend the 1st.
Not easy. Can't have it both ways.
The 1st Amendment language remains intact...this amendment defines "speech" in the 1st, similiar to what the SCOTUS ruling did, but with opposite intent and via Amendment.edit on 20-4-2012 by Indigo5 because: (no reason given)
Interesting.
I wonder where exactly they will place this "amendment" ?
Perhaps as a "new" amendment or within the 1st Amendment itself.
Originally posted by Indigo5
Second, WHAT DID SHE ACTUALLY SAY? Transcipts anyone? I don't trust spin. GIVE ME HER ACTUAL FULL STATEMENTS...CUZ I CAN"T FIND THEM...ONLY RIGHT WING MEDIA TELLING ME CRAP...QUOTES? TRANSCRIPTS?
As best I can tell...they both spoke along with other congresspeople at the same summit. I am not denying she endorsed the Amendment...but please show me where..Facts matter.
Originally posted by Indigo5
Aside from the attempted derailment of the topic. Why would you believe Nacy Pelosi endorsed this? Do you have a transcript or video of her making that endorsement?
What recession? House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi's net worth skyrocketed 62% last year, to a jaw-dropping $35.2 million, according to financial disclosure forms released Wednesday. Pelosi, the former House speaker, wasn't alone. The California Democrat's gavel-gripping successor, Republican John Boehner, also saw his wealth get a boost, with the Ohio GOPer's net worth increasing from $1.8 million in 2009 to $2.1 million last year.
It would go at the end of the list...you can't re-write an amendment. The first stands. You can repeal an amendment, but that takes some heavy listing and an overwhelming majority of the public to make happen.
(CNSNews.com) – Sen. Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.) said that the 2010 Supreme Court decision in Citizens United was the “worst” decision since the court upheld racist segregation in Plessy v. Ferguson.
“The point I’d make here – and that’s why a constitutional amendment shouldn’t be necessary but is – there’s balance in every amendment. The First Amendment is not absolute. You can’t falsely scream fire. We have anti-pornography laws. We have libel laws, and what more important balance than to keep the wellspring of our democracy?
“Citizens United was an outgrowth of this. It is the worst decision since Plessy v. Ferguson – I believe that – of the United States Supreme Court,” Schumer said Wednesday at a conference of Democratic members of Congress and liberal groups focusing on amending the Constitution to repeal Citizens United.
The simple fact of the matter is that the SCOTUS derived their decision based upon the beginning of the First Amendment in relation to "speech", which is "Congress shall make no laws...", so even this proposed Amendment is in violation of the First Amendment...but that is an actual fact that you would find to be an inconvenient truth.
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances..
The First Amendment (Amendment I) to the United States Constitution is part of the Bill of Rights. The amendment prohibits the making of any law respecting an establishment of religion, impeding the free exercise of religion, abridging the freedom of speech, infringing on the freedom of the press, interfering with the right to peaceably assemble or prohibiting the petitioning for a governmental redress of grievances.
Originally, the First Amendment applied only to laws enacted by the Congress. However, starting with Gitlow v. New York, the Supreme Court has applied the First Amendment to each state. This was done through the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment. The Court has also recognized a series of exceptions to provisions protecting the freedom of speech.
The 1st
Originally posted by EvilSadamClone
Corporations pretty much control both parties as it is, we don't need to give them any more power. They ahve too much of it already, and they don't give a damned thing about the rights of the individuals, they only care about the bottom line.
I don't know about limiting their speech, but they do have huge influences on who votes for whom. I believe that they can bring huge amounts of pressure on the people that work for them to tell them who vote for, at least as far as I know. And there are huge amounts of people who work for the corporations.
I want to see their influence on our government reduced, but I am just not sure if restricting their speech is the right way to go about it. Limiting how much they can spend might be a far more effective way of keeping them out of circulation.
But I don't have any real ideas on how to limit their power that doesn't really infringe upon the Constitution.