reply to post by DJW001
DJW001 has been placed in IGNORE mode so he/she ought not expect any further replies from me. I seek friendly communication with congenial fellow ATS
members and have gone a long way in humoring a barrage of unfriendly communication. Others shall note that this comes after significant effort to
debate sociably and that it is extremely hard to do so when someone is stuck in a game of "Bash the OP".
For the many "member-friendly" participants at ATS, here is another excerpt from the Reagan Briefings pointing to the engagement of hostilities
between Soviet Fighter Jets and HOSTILE UFO's.
Getting back to ADVISER #1, regarding the incident inside the Soviet Union, Mr President, there are many such sightings all over the world. We
must understand that the visitors can roam our planet at will without us doing much about it. However, I personally believe that we must prepare for
the EVENTUAL DAY WHEN SOME HOSTILE LIFE FORM DECIDES TO TAKE OVER OUR PLANET. We must be prepared. I hope you understand why I said what I said, Mr
PRESIDENT: Yes, indeed, ADVISER #4, very well said. I agree with you. I guess all of those sightings ... well, some of them are real ... I mean, we
are being visited, today, now, in this time period.
WM CASEY: Yes, Mr President, we are.
PRESIDENT: OK, ADVISER #1, please continue, we cut you off.
ADVISER #1: OK, thanks, Mr President. As I was saying, actually a series of incidents occurred over about a week. Our intelligence gathering stations
inside and outside of the Soviet Union picked up voice transmissions between Soviet Air Defense pilots and ground controllers regarding a number of
UFOs which were being chased by Soviet pilots. The incident started in central Siberia and ended over the Black Sea. Literally thousands of Soviets
observed the UFOs and at least 20 different fighter pilots chased the UFOs. The Soviets attempted on two occasions to shoot down the UFOs, but to no
avail. That is probably the best evidence that these things are happening over the Soviet Union. We think these UFOs were the hostile ones. We call
them hostile because they tend to land, take humans, conduct experiments on them and then release the humans. Their spacecraft are different in design
than the Ebens
SOURCE: The Reagan Briefings in 1981
Maybe they were considered Hostile by the Soviets because they had not entered into any Treaties offering these Aliens a Free Hand in abducting their
citizens, something which Eisenhower has been alleged to have authorized in exchange for Technology?
If that was the case back in the 1950's we can consider that today any Geo-strategic analysis would show the pattern of abductions to be A DANGER TO
HUMANITY. This is for just a few simple reasons. At best this would be to EXPLOIT HUMANS as a mere biological resource, turning people into laboratory
guinea pigs. A middle ground scenario would see them INTERVENE UPON HUMAN GENETICS in order to COLONIZE US THROUGH OUR DNA? A worst case Scenario
would be that they are using GASTRONOMICAL criteria to improve our breed? Let us hope it isn't the worst case, but regardless, this is HOSTILE ACTION
warranting MILITARY RESPONSE which might be manifesting itself today as a SECRET SPACE WAR.
Originally posted by SonofLeod
Be that as it may, but that doesn't mean it still didn't receive help from a outside source. Why wouldn't they come here and manipulate us?
Hi Son of Leod,
Glad to have you with us. It is always welcome news when good-hearted members bring insight into a theoretical discussion, this helps to move our
thinking forward in important increments. The possibility of Alien Intervention in Human Affairs has been evoked for centuries, and there is a great
deal of validity to many such claims. Their very presence among us, even if they were constrained by a non-intervention clause, would considerably
disrupt human affairs. That they have no wish to intervene is grossly disproved by their widespread human abductions and numerous airspace incursions
by their craft.
However, we can all note how throughout human history there have been many exactions by humans perpetrated against other humans. The frightful war
crimes, repressions and torture that punctuate human history make mundane aggressive behavior look like child play and almost show it to seem to be
relatively normal and natural conduct for human beings, which are thus characterized as a heinous species which attacks its own kind. Yet is such
behavior really characteristic of human nature? I actually don't think so, and have reason to believe that it might be due to "outside intervention".
And I am not the first to perceive this, as said perception is present in many ancient and modern religions.
* NOTE: For reference, please note that I am not a religious person, having neither been raised in any religion nor having adopted one
since. Yet I often find that there are elements of truth to be found in scripture as well as very interesting philosophical insight which can be found
seeding organized religions. What bothers me about them is the prevalence of dogma and blind belief on faith, something which goes against my rational
creed. For even if they wish me to believe something because it is in fact true, I'd rather come to it with my skeptical doubts and figure it out for
In any case, many of the theories regarding Alien Influences intervening in human affairs were disregarded in the 20th century with the advent of
obsessive logical positivism and the wave of base materialism which took over scientific endeavor. While this did bring some valid methodological
systems to certain areas of technical investigation, it has failed and erred gravely in addressing the higher level challenges of the great questions
and in solving the major flaws in scientific paradigms. Much of science is moving away today from such "nose in the ground" research and seeking
loftier inspiration to explain the otherwise inexplicable. There have been considerable breakthroughs in recent years in our perception and analysis
of what Aliens really are.
The major aspect of this comes from leading physicists who have engaged in heated debate as to whether our PHYSICAL REALITY is constituted by 11
dimensions - a minimum upon which they all tend to agree - or considerably more dimensions yet. For those who aren't into science, what this means is
that it is now generally admitted by our leading scientists that WE ALL LIVE IN A REALITY OF WHICH WE CAN PERCEIVE LESS THAN A THIRD. And this because
it is generally admitted that our Physical Senses allow us to perceive what is in ONLY THREE OF THE DIMENSIONS OF SPACE.
The implications of this are major, because it implies that there is a great deal which lies beyond our ability to perceive, and probably even also
beyond our scientific instruments which were designed as mere extensions of our limited senses.
A LARGE SLICE OF REALITY WE CANNOT PERCEIVE implies that there is indeed a VERY REAL "Invisible World" which coexists with our Perceived World which
we call REALITY. It has also been advanced that, given the "Dimensional Shift" aspect of the Alien and UFO phenomena, at least some of these ALIENS
VISITING US ARE DIMENSIONAL ENTITIES. This likelihood is advanced by physicists as technically far more likely than the alternative that they would be
distant visitors from Star Systems many light years away from us, and this even if Space Bending and Worm Hole technologies might allow faster than
We must place into perspective what this means. It would imply that certain CREATURES which we call ALIENS, because they are not native to our
3-Dimensional Space as located here on Earth, might actually exist HERE but in a dimension which we cannot perceive. Interestingly, while this theory
is advanced by contemporary "bleeding edge" scientists, it happens to coincide very closely with what can be read in various mythological accounts as
well as in religious scriptures, used in ancient times to help describe the nature of the reality we live in. We our predecessors altogether so lame
and clueless as to what our reality is, as we have been recited in the materialistic teachings of dumbed down secondary education conditioning and
I advance the proposition that HUMAN NATURE IS GOOD and that there have been, as far as human history has officially recorded, Alien Entities which
are PREDATORY in nature and which feed off human strife and angst, which possess humans and influence their actions as so many Demons to be Exorcised.
To support this notion, there has been considerable PARAPSYCHOLOGICAL RESEARCH BY US & SOVIET MILITARY AGENCIES fully understanding that there are
very real aspects of the Human Realm which are piloted by things unknown.
It can even be advanced that certain ALLIANCES with ALIEN ENTITIES, which by definition are NOT HUMAN and are OTHER WORLDLY, might have been struck by
individuals or groups seeking to gain advantages by such a bargain. One such example is the very well known "Pact with the Devil" by Satanists,
another less well known but just as constant in its historical continuity such agreement is the Masonic "Invocation of Hosts" conjuring Spirits or
Beings to possess the officiating 33rd Degree Mason. This is said to grant them Power over our 3-D Reality which we call the SECULAR WORLD thanks to
the help of Other Worldly ALIENS who can intervene here from beyond the constraints limiting our physical reality.
There is another aspect of this, which pertains to a way of looking at the Multi-Dimensional Aliens from a strictly materialistic viewpoint, putting
the subject of demonic or alien host possession aside. It is that these very physical UFOs and Aliens, actually exist in a very material and physical
3-D reality manner elsewhere in space or time, but are able at will thanks to advanced technologies to commute from their reality in some parallel
universe and emerge into our own. This would be evidenced by physical creatures having been captured alive or recovered dead, by the fact that many
UFO sightings have these craft appear to eyewitnesses and to radar screens episodically, as if shifting into and out of our physical reality, and by
the abduction phenomenon which has been recorded scientifically, even by Harvard professors, yet which often includes these creatures being able to
walk through walls and have craft which are small on the outside in our physical reality but are much larger on the inside in some other dimensional
Then again, there is the possibility that both or neither are true. If both are true, then we have a mix of PHYSICAL ALIEN CREATURES VISITING EARTH,
constituted by physically evolved beings of various natures, who improved their technological mastery to the point of being able to travel vast
distances in space and visit us, as well as NON PHYSICAL DISEMBODIED ENTITIES MOVING AMONG US which influence our actions and possess people. If
neither is true then MUCH OF OUR REALITY IS A COLLECTIVE HALLUCINATION we call life on Earth. For there has been plethora of UFO SIGHTINGS & ALIEN
CONTACT for centuries. Has everyone gone mad?
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