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Originally posted by luciddream
The key word is "returned".
People who are born vegetarians stay vegetarians, but people who became vegetarians in the middle if they don't have a strong mind, they will given in.
Originally posted by JailTales
It's much more health beneficent and non-damaging for an adult to take up a vegetarian diet. A child raised on a vegetarian diet, or god forbid a vegan diet, will end up physically inferior to others.
Vegetarianism in adults should be promoted, vegetarian for children I believe borders on child cruelty.
Originally posted by AlphaBetaGammaX
Originally posted by JailTales
It's much more health beneficent and non-damaging for an adult to take up a vegetarian diet. A child raised on a vegetarian diet, or god forbid a vegan diet, will end up physically inferior to others.
Vegetarianism in adults should be promoted, vegetarian for children I believe borders on child cruelty.
Yes, because the millions of fat children engorged on McDonald's are at the height of physical superiority.
There is no reason what-so-ever for a vegetarian family raising their child on a nutritious diet to be considered unhealthy. There are unhealthy children in both meat-eating and vegetarian households, and it generally comes down to laziness and lack of education about food quality.
Originally posted by JailTales
Depriving a child of meat is little different than trying to feed vegetables to a dog. You can make arguments until you're blue in the face but the science is that it's harmful - or less beneficial, at best - when contrasted with a varied diet that includes meat.
This isn't a controversial or opinionated view, this is the unfortunate fact. Any vegetarian or vegan type who forces their child to endure such a diet is stunting their health and growth potential. How a vegetarian diet stands up to a mcdonalds diet doesn't matter.
Originally posted by kaylaluv
Originally posted by JailTales
Depriving a child of meat is little different than trying to feed vegetables to a dog. You can make arguments until you're blue in the face but the science is that it's harmful - or less beneficial, at best - when contrasted with a varied diet that includes meat.
This isn't a controversial or opinionated view, this is the unfortunate fact. Any vegetarian or vegan type who forces their child to endure such a diet is stunting their health and growth potential. How a vegetarian diet stands up to a mcdonalds diet doesn't matter.
This has not been our experience. My 10-year-old daughter has never eaten meat. She does eat a little seafood, but has only started eating it in the last couple of years. She was raised on dairy, legumes, nuts and grains, a little soy, and lots of veggies and fruits. I would consider that a vegetarian diet, wouldn't you? She is now 5'4" (tallest in her class), weighs about 108 lbs, and has no health problems. Her blood tests have always come back completely normal (no iron deficiency, etc.). She is in advanced classes at school, so no mental/brain problems. Her one weakness is sugar (what kid doesn't love sugar!), but we are working on that.
By the way, she has never eaten at a McDonald's in her life.
Originally posted by AlphaBetaGammaX
reply to post by JailTales
I'd be thrilled to view any evidence about this that you are using to form these opinions! I'll check back when I get home from lecture. (Seriously. I am not being sarcastic, in case that isn't clear.)edit on 18-4-2012 by AlphaBetaGammaX because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by JailTales
Originally posted by luciddream
The key word is "returned".
People who are born vegetarians stay vegetarians, but people who became vegetarians in the middle if they don't have a strong mind, they will given in.
Lets also remember, in the interest of fairness, that while people born vegetarians might not have mental struggles it's documented that they're physically malnourished.
It's much more health beneficent and non-damaging for an adult to take up a vegetarian diet. A child raised on a vegetarian diet, or god forbid a vegan diet, will end up physically inferior to others.
Vegetarianism in adults should be promoted, vegetarian for children I believe borders on child cruelty.
Originally posted by JailTales
We all have anecdotal evidence of anything. Some of the healthiest, most physically impressive specimens I know stuff their face with KFC at least twice a week.
I'm sure you can find parents who say that beating their child did good, but on the whole the evidence says otherwise, and their one (biased) account stands for nothing. My brother (who's smoked since 13) appears to be healthy as you like and is 6'4, is that evidence that smoking doesn't stunt growth and cause health problems?
Originally posted by luciddream
Originally posted by JailTales
Originally posted by luciddream
The key word is "returned".
People who are born vegetarians stay vegetarians, but people who became vegetarians in the middle if they don't have a strong mind, they will given in.
Lets also remember, in the interest of fairness, that while people born vegetarians might not have mental struggles it's documented that they're physically malnourished.
It's much more health beneficent and non-damaging for an adult to take up a vegetarian diet. A child raised on a vegetarian diet, or god forbid a vegan diet, will end up physically inferior to others.
Vegetarianism in adults should be promoted, vegetarian for children I believe borders on child cruelty.
Could you tell in what way they are malnutritioned? Are you talking about vegetarians that don't drink milk? because those vegetarians are later hybrids that arose from normal vegetarianism(drinks milk).
India, its probably the #1 country in being vegetarian, about 40% of 1.2 Billion population are vegtarians, about 10% in that are vegetarians who eat eggs(debatable vegetarians), other 30% are vegetarians that drink milk(actual vegetarians).
I don't see any vegetarians in India being malnutritioned, could you like me to the article that says it makes them physically malnutritioned? there are many food other than meat that offer high protein with less fat, as well as there are food with healthy fat, like ghee, yogurt, milk, etc,
(im a meat eater from a vegan family)
Originally posted by kaylaluv
Originally posted by JailTales
We all have anecdotal evidence of anything. Some of the healthiest, most physically impressive specimens I know stuff their face with KFC at least twice a week.
I'm sure you can find parents who say that beating their child did good, but on the whole the evidence says otherwise, and their one (biased) account stands for nothing. My brother (who's smoked since 13) appears to be healthy as you like and is 6'4, is that evidence that smoking doesn't stunt growth and cause health problems?
Smoking does indeed have risk factors, meaning the risks of certain problems are higher with smokers. My grandfather died of emphysema at age 64, but his wife, who was also a heavy smoker, lived to aged 85.
So, maybe you should re-word your argument to say that there are some risks involved in feeding a child a vegetarian diet, rather than stating that ALL vegetarians who force their child to eat such a diet is stunting health and growth potential. I have been careful to make sure my daughter gets all the necessary nutrients for her growth and development. Therefore, the risks in feeding her a vegetarian diet are nil.
There are risks involved in feeding a child an omnivorous diet as well, (i.e., McDonald's, KFC, etc.).
My own personal opinion is that there are much higher health risks involved in feeding a child a vegan diet, without a lot of supplements. The more restrictive the diet is, the harder it becomes to make sure the child is getting the required nutrition.
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...
Bottom line: parents need to be very aware of and involved in their children's dietary needs. This alleviates and/or eliminates any risks, regardless of the type of diet.
My 10-year-old daughter has never eaten meat. She does eat a little seafood, but has only started eating it in the last couple of years. She was raised on dairy, legumes, nuts and grains, a little soy, and lots of veggies and fruits. I would consider that a vegetarian diet, wouldn't you?
Originally posted by JailTales
But with all due respect you have no idea what you're talking about. I know your type of vegetarian and I'm not buying it for one minute.
Your argument doesn't even make sense, you're saying that because some vegetarian children can be healthy that I shouldn't highlight the health risks and stupidity of forcing a child to be vegetarian. But would you accept me making the same argument towards cigarettes? Some children could probably smoke them and live until 80, so don't tar all parents with the same stick!! herpityderpderp
Originally posted by Ericthenewbie
reply to post by kaylaluv
My 10-year-old daughter has never eaten meat. She does eat a little seafood, but has only started eating it in the last couple of years. She was raised on dairy, legumes, nuts and grains, a little soy, and lots of veggies and fruits. I would consider that a vegetarian diet, wouldn't you?
I wouldn't consider your daughter's diet to be "vegetarian" because you indicated that she does in fact eat seafood and dairy...just saying
Vegetarianism encompasses the practice of following plant-based diets (fruits, vegetables, etc.), with or without the inclusion of dairy products or eggs, and with the exclusion of meat (red meat, poultry, and seafood). Abstention from by-products of animal slaughter, such as animal-derived rennet and gelatin, may also be practiced.
An ovo-lacto vegetarian (or lacto-ovo vegetarian) is a vegetarian who does not eat animal flesh of any kind, but is willing to consume dairy and egg products. In contrast, a vegetarian who consumes no animal products at all is called a vegan.
Originally posted by Ericthenewbie
reply to post by kaylaluv
Umm your comment confuses me a little as it isn't inline with the definitions of "vegetarian" nor "ovo-lacto vegetarianism";
Vegetarianism encompasses the practice of following plant-based diets (fruits, vegetables, etc.), with or without the inclusion of dairy products or eggs, and with the exclusion of meat (red meat, poultry, and seafood). Abstention from by-products of animal slaughter, such as animal-derived rennet and gelatin, may also be practiced.
An ovo-lacto vegetarian (or lacto-ovo vegetarian) is a vegetarian who does not eat animal flesh of any kind, but is willing to consume dairy and egg products. In contrast, a vegetarian who consumes no animal products at all is called a vegan.
Sources;
en.wikipedia.org...
en.wikipedia.org...
edit on 18-4-2012 by Ericthenewbie because: highlights