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2000MPH UFO Incident Sparks U.S. Navy UFO Investigation.

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posted on Apr, 12 2012 @ 03:33 AM
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Considering the U.S. Navy has never released any official documents pertaining to unidentified flying objects, there's some interesting reading below about how an unexplained UFO incident over the Pacific Ocean sparked an official investigation by the Office of Naval Intelligence in 1952...the contents of which are still classified.

The incident occurred over the area of ocean between the islands of Guam and Hawaii and involved the aircrews of two separate Navy aircraft witnessing two 'disc shaped' objects which 'circled' their aircraft twice and departed to the East at an approximate speed of 1500 to 2000 mph - on board the aircraft was Admiral Arthur Radford and Naval Secretary Dan Kimball who later convened a conference with the Chief of the Naval Research Admiral Calvin Bolster about making a full investigation of all Navy and Marine UFO reports.

There's more details and newspaper articles about the UFO incident and subsequent investigation below, Project 1947's Jan Aldrich also raises some extremely important points about the complete lack of declassified US Naval UFO documents and undisclosed O.N.I. UFO investigations.


Incident:


Admiral Radford & Navy Sec. Kimball Planes Buzzed



Navy Secretary Dan Kimball was flying to Hawaii when two disc-shaped craft streaked in toward his Navy executive plane. There is no doubt that it it actually happened. In December of 2006 Dan Wilson located an article found in the Blue Book files and Jean Waskiewicz produced a transcript of that article, which can be found at the bottom of this directory.


"Their speed was amazing," he told me later, in Washington. "My pilots estimated it between fifteen hundred and two thousand miles an hour. The objects circled us twice and then took off, heading east. There was another Navy plane behind us, with Admiral Arthur Radford on board. The distance was about fifty miles. I had my senior pilot radio a report on the sighting. In almost no time Radford's chief pilot called back, really excited. The UFOs were now circling their plane---they'd covered the fifty miles in less than two minutes. In a few seconds the pilot told us they'd left the plane and raced up out of sight."



Aftermath:


After landing, Secretary Kimball had a report radioed to the AF, since it was officially in charge of the UFO investigation. When he returned to Washington he had an aide ask the AF what action had been taken. He was informed it was against orders to discuss case analyses, even with witnesses who made the reports. In regard to other Navy & Marine Corps reports ...on checking, found that the Air Force had insisted on getting all copies of reports, without even a preliminary Navy investigation. As in his own case, the AF had refused to answer any questions about these sightings, except for a few that were already known to the press, which it later tried to debunk.
As soon as he learned this, Secretary Kimball had a conference with Rear Admiral Calvin Bolster, Chief of the Naval Research. He wanted ONR to make a full investigation of all Navy and Marine reports from then on and also try to get duplicate reports from witnesses in unexplained earlier cases. And this was to be kept separate from the Air Force Project Blue Book


NICAP Case Directory




Newspaper Articles:






THE CABINET MEMBER told his story to an audience of Navy officers and air cadets a couple of weeks ago at the Naval Air Station in Pensacola. He may have expected it would stop there, but since he made no such request and since nothing was said about his remarks being off the record, I'll take the liberty of repeating his report.On a recent flight across the Pacific, he said, he was flying at night from Pearl Harbor to Guam. Another plane, with additional members of his party, was trailing several miles behind on the same course.
Kimball stressed the fact that he has the utmost faith and confidence in the pilot who was with him that night, a pilot who has flown him for thousands of miles over a period of years.

Somewhere out over the dark Pacific, he said, the pilot came back to the cabin visibly excited and reported that a flying saucer had appeared out of nowhere, had flown abeam the secretary’s plane for some distance, and had just raced ahead and shot up into the sky and out of sight. He and the co-pilot had both watched the phenomenon, he said. He asked if he should radio a report of the incident to Pearl Harbor.

Kimball advised him not to pointing out that Pearl Harbor probably wouldn’t believe the story. Instead, the secretary suggested sending a message to the plane astern and ordering them to keep a sharp lookout for any unusual sights.IN A MATTER OF MINUTES, the second plane radioed excited­ly that a flying saucer had just come down and flown alongside the wing tip, then had shot ahead and vanished into the sky.

Shakespeare had it right; “There are stranger things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy."


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“Operation UFO: The Official Truth about Flying Saucers”, 22 November 1953
(The Milwaukee Sentinel)


The author of the article is Captain Walter Karig, Special Deputy to Chief of Information, U.S. Navy.

This newspaper article discusses the UFO scene as of 1953.

Quote from the article: “Dan Kimball, then Secretary of the Navy, was convinced that “flying saucers” are not figments of the imagination after a UFO buzzed his airplane during a trans-Pacific flight.”


Newspaper article
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posted on Apr, 12 2012 @ 03:46 AM
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U.S. Navy UFO Investigation:



Image: Dan Kimball.






And we know absolutely that another one existed and that it was ordered at the highest levels. This was the study ordered by Secretary of the Navy Dan Kimball, and soon-to-be Chairman of the Joint Chiefs Of Staff, Admiral Arthur Radford, that was precipitated by the close passage of their planes by a UFO in mid-Pacific, and the subsequent blunt uncooperative treatment of the Secretary's aides when they later inquired about the incident from the Air Force. Kimball ordered, through Radford, that a separate Navy file be maintained, particularly of Navy cases, since the Air Force could not be trusted to act in a responsible and civil manner as to openly sharing information as to what was going on.

The Kimball/Radford study was headed by a commander, Frank Lowell Thomas, out of the Office of Naval Intelligence [I think that this is correct, but it could have been ONR instead---these two offices work pretty closely together]. Commander Thomas' study/file went on for an unknown amount of time; it could have been a year, it could have been several. Radford didn't retire from Chairman of the Joint Chiefs until 1957---pretty close to when Keyhoe's informants were keeping their file "with the approval of the Admiral". We don't know if there was any relationship whatever between these two files, or even if they in some ongoing form were the same thing. Whatever the exact situation, one can never say with any honesty that the Navy had no interest in UFOs. And, those early files contained some of the best cases of the era, and would be historically important.


UFOs & The Enigma of the United States Navy




Missing Information:


MUFON


In 1962, former Secretary Dan Kimball and Admiral A.W. Radford were on planes flying between Guam and Hawaii and were circled by two high-speed flying discs. A disc flying around military people of this stature should be the only confirmation required by public, government, science alike to accept that discs do fly and they are not ours. We still have not seen the flight reports. The sighting was confirmed by a U.S. Naval Research, Chief Admiral Calvin Bolster. The full text of the investigation should be released. In addition, other UFO investigations done by Naval Research should be released.


Unidentified Flying Objects: The Missing Information





Project 1947.


US Navy Office of Naval Research - investigations set up by Secretary of the Navy Dan Kimball after aircraft carrying him and the Chief of Naval Operations Admiral Calvin Bolster were separately "buzzed" by UFOs over the Pacific. Later attempts by Dr. James McDonald to question Kimball and the civilian head of the project failed. Despite numerous requests under the Freedom of Information Act, to date no documents concerning the investigations have been located.


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posted on Apr, 12 2012 @ 04:02 AM
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The statistics in the article below about FOIA UFO documents just about sums up the UFO declassification status of the U.S. Navy and Jan Aldrich's article also makes some very astute points about missing US Naval UFO Information including Secretary Kimball's ONI UFO project in 1952:




Ever wonder what the U.S. Government has in their filing cabinets? Search more than 530,000 pages of declassified documents obtained through the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) and find out..

This section contains batches of documents that have been received from multiple agencies. The FOIA request was for all documents relating to UFOs... the following is what was released:



Army - 355 Pages - 22 megs

Central Intelligence Agency [2,763 Pages]

Defense Intelligence Agency UFO Files Through 1979 [204 Pages]
Defense Intelligence Agency UFO Files from 1979-1989 [12 Pages]
Defense Intelligence Agency UFO Files From 1990 to date [30 Pages]

Department of Defense [270 Pages]

Federal Bureau of Investigation UFO Documents [1,600 Pages] - [ Part 01 | Part 02 | Part 03 | Part 04 | Part 05 | Part 06 | Part 07 | Part 08 | Part 09 | Part 10 | Part 11 | Part 12 | Part 13 | Part 14 | Part 15 | Part 16 ]

John F. Kennedy Library [127 Pages]

NASA Headquarters [131 Pages]

National Reconnaisance Office UFO Documents (No Records)
National Security Agency's UFO Files [159 Pages]
National Security Agency's Once Exempt From Release [254 Pages]


Navy (No Records)


Office of the Assistant Secretary of Defense [132 Pages]

Space Command [7 Pages]

Wright Patterson Air Force Base [910 Pages] - All documents relating to Project Sign and Grudge[ January through August, 1948 | September through December, 1948, 1949.


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Missing US Naval UFO Information:



The sister Services, Army, USAF and CIA, DIA and NSA have released UFO files as have the British, Danes, French, Brazilians, Australians and even Uruguayans. Now the Russians.
It seems the US Navy’s turn. What specifically? For starters:



1. WWII study of ususual radar returns.

2. 4th AF documents concerning with air intrusion of Hanford, Navy radar and aircraft assets tasked to intercept same

3. About 50 AAF and Navy documents formerly TS and below refer to an equal number of other documents on the Scandinavian Ghost Rockets

4. A small amount of Navy documents in the USAF Project Blue Book files refer to other Navy documents not seen

5. AIR 203 was a Joint TS USAF/Navy study of UFOs. Yet Navy claims no records

6. BurAero analysis of AF document released not by Navy but DOD.

7. In 1951 Dr. Urner Liddel ONR claims after studying 2000 cases that UFOs are Skyhook balloons (USAF does even have 2000 cases in 1951. What does ONR have?

8. Korean War radar cases in OP322V, OP322V2 and COMNAVFE. (Some incomplete reports this era in Project BB)

9. Navy Sec Dan Kimball set UFO project in ONI in 1952

10. CIA document enumerating intel asset dedicated to UFOs refers to analyst in ONI

11. The old Hydrographic office was a published source of reports for the US Navy, merchant shipping and aircraft over waters. These were not investigated?

12. Large resevoir of “war stories” by old Navy salts, esp., aircrews and radar operators and other CIC personnel
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Further, Project Blue Book record indicate numerous contacts thru Air Attaches with foreign govt on UFOs. Naval Attaches have not such contacts even with Navies that UFO significant UFO incidents or Navy UFO project, Argentina, other incidents Chile, Brazil?
In reviews for the Clinton Executive Order declassifying records over 25 years old, Army and AF comes up with hundreds of UFO documents even though these were not specifically required for index. The Navy nada.
“We do not investigate UFOs.”
“We do not keep records filed for such a topic as UFOs.”
“If we had any records on UFOs, they were destroyed.”
“If we had any records on UFOs, we transferred them to the USAF.”
The dog eat my home work. Lost at sea!
Jan Aldrich, Project1947.com

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Links:

Report confirmed by former Navy Secretary. Dan Kimball:

NICAP UFO Investigator (PDF File)

NAVY Independent UFO investigation Programme (PDF File)



E-Book:

Chapter 4. Crisis and Containment: 1952 and 1953



posted on Apr, 12 2012 @ 04:03 AM
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It'd be great to spend some time in one of those big sightings years like 1947, 1954 and this one...1952. I sort of get wistful for those days when people only had about 3 possibilities for what it was all about.

1 - Hoaxes
2 - Foreign technology
3 - Extraterrestrials

Mike Swords has done a little research into the Kimball/Radford sighting too. He wrote the following on that NICAP link you posted...


NAVSEC Kimball was travelling to the far east during March of 1952 on official business with Admiral Radford in tow. They were in separate planes on their travel leg between Pearl Harbor and Taiwan. We do not have the exact date of the incident, and I do not believe McDonald was able to get it either. Estimations of the date have to do with guesses associated with when Kimball left Hawaii. Whether that was as early as the 15th or as late as the 20th is not, I believe, currently known.

First Kimball's aircraft was buzzed and later Radford's. Whether it was the same UFO is only a logical surmise.

A couple of weeks later, Kimball was back in the states and speaking to an assembly of air cadets, when he mentioned his plane's encounter and the story made the press. For the rest of the story we must depend on our UFOlogy resources. Don Keyhoe says that he was told about the incident by both Admiral Calvin Bolster (chief of Naval Research) and Secretary Kimball himself. Bolster was a classmate and a friend and this contact is believable. As corroberation, Admiral Delmer Fahrney (ex Navy missile chief) and Art Lundahl both told Jim McDonald essentially the same story.
Michael Swords e-mail



posted on Apr, 12 2012 @ 08:13 AM
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Thanks for all the information! Can't wait for people to come and try to debunk this


Is there any known atmospheric phenomena that could have caused a sighting like this?



posted on Apr, 12 2012 @ 08:43 AM
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We definitely had disk craft by 1952 and with conspiracy mavens thinking Navy
pilots are flying the UFO ships, this just shows how the top brass was inspecting
their work. This is no mystery now, the Rex Heflin disk ship is most prevalent
and the pilots are US. The disk seems to be making more video appearances
lately yet I suspect the Triangle is the most advanced.

ED:same old tune:
1 - Hoaxes
2 - Foreign technology
3 - Extraterrestrials

the new tune: US ships and pilots

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posted on Apr, 12 2012 @ 09:10 AM
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Great find. Thanks for gathering the info and posting it. It'd be nice to investigate these incidents when they happened with witnesses who aren't influenced by media or preconceived notions.

Half-joking, half-serious, what if James Cameron stumbled upon his own kind of Abyss-type underwater ET city. He's gone deeper than anyone out there. Spent quite a lot of time in remote areas. Perhaps, he's seen something. Or, will see something.



posted on Apr, 12 2012 @ 02:30 PM
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I know they exist, but the question is who is piloting them?

How do I know? I read books on how to build a flying saucer or a spacecraft. I have learned that the reason why they keep on denying the existence of UFOs is because if they were accepted as real things, the entire structure of education, science, politics, transportation, oil industry, and the fiction based government we believed to be the good guys, would all crumble at our feet. That is the reason why they don't talk about it even when a higher-up in the government system opens a case asking "What the HELL flew right in front of MY plane!?"

There was a German scientist that found ways to recreate the UFO way of propulsion. By the use of gravity, which can be done in anyone's backyard, the object is able to go in and out of planet atmosphere's like nothing, move so fast that it would make the latest spy plane look like nothing, and no matter how big it is, it's still going to go faster than 1000 miles per hour.

This all begins with the accepting the idea of that gravity is just an EM force that operates at 1 terahertz.

However, if we can build crafts like these, then we can also bring them down with no problem. If they run on electricity, then a simple EMP bomb or gun would do the job, or just get a cloud-buster and point at the craft and next thing you know, it's down.



posted on Apr, 12 2012 @ 02:48 PM
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That's not really all that fast if we are considering this to be aliens. We hit 2000mph in 1960's
. Feel free to lookup the lockheed's. If they got to our planet outside this solar system well I'm sure they would defiantly have to be capable of alot faster, since our space shuttle's are capable of almost reaching 20,000mph. So 2000 is not impressive.



posted on Apr, 12 2012 @ 03:20 PM
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I find it interesting that the military would estimate the speed of an aircraft in MPH instead of Knots. Unless, of course, the OP or someone from the source material did the conversion for the laymen. Still, 2000 MPH or Knots seems a bit slow to me.


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posted on Apr, 12 2012 @ 03:24 PM
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SnF


Back in the 2000, I was treating a submariner for, a medical malady.
He told me that working in the communications area of the sub, he tracked an underwater object ( by satellite) that was over 1000 feet deep, going over 500 kph, and was three times larger than an aircraft carrier.
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posted on Apr, 12 2012 @ 03:27 PM
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S and F for bringing this to the forum. Excellent article.



posted on Apr, 12 2012 @ 03:34 PM
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Originally posted by FreedomCommander
reply to post by karl 12
 

I know they exist, but the question is who is piloting them?
This all begins with the accepting the idea of that gravity is just an EM force that operates at 1 terahertz.
However, if we can build crafts like these, then we can also bring them down with no problem. If they run on electricity, then a simple EMP bomb or gun would do the job, or just get a cloud-buster and point at the craft and next thing you know, it's down.


Have you ever tried a cloud buster?



posted on Apr, 12 2012 @ 03:36 PM
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It is a sad day when it is proven that even high level executives like the Secretary of the Navy is susceptible to hallucinations, mass hypnosis, the power of suggestion and crackpot ideas. Apparently ANYONE can fall victim to believing in flying saucers and little green men. What has the world come to? It's obvious to anyone with half a brain that he probably saw disc-shaped clouds and/or some other kind of weather anomaly. One would think that his air crew would be professional enough, trained well-enough and level-headed enough to identify the REAL cause of what they all thought was a flying saucer from Mars or Venus. No wonder pilots have been grounded for reporting sightings --because it's a classic symptom of doing drugs or drinking on the job. Maybe they all saw some sci-fi flick just before the flight, drank a few single malt scotches, took a nap and got caught somewhere in a waking dream state where he/they thought they were reliving a scene from the sci-fi flick. How disturbing to think that this national-level leader was delusional enough to think ice crystals in the atmosphere were a couple of flying saucers. A lot of the drugs that are illegal now were legal back in 1952; could they have possibly taken some?

S&F for the great links and info! The above was just an example of the cheap shots "skeptics" and "debunkers" usually take, attacking the character of UFO witnesses, etc.



posted on Apr, 12 2012 @ 03:50 PM
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There seems to be some conflict between what Keyhoe says he was told by Kimball and the published account.

The May newspaper article makes no mention of the saucer circling either aircraft. Perhaps Keyhoe or Kimball provided some embellishment. The trouble with embellishment is that it can be difficult to tell where it begins and ends. The trouble with conflicting reports from the same source (Kimball) is that it makes it hard to determine what actually may have occurred.



posted on Apr, 12 2012 @ 04:18 PM
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Very good thread! I must say this is what ATS is about and after seeing so many hoaxes are useless posts it's refreshing to see something see so informative and organized posted.

S&F for you!



posted on Apr, 12 2012 @ 04:56 PM
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Awesome karl, S+F!

I don't know of ETs are visiting, but what other than a non-human intellegence could be flying around at 2000 mph in disc shaped aircraft with no visible propulsion or sound since 1952?



posted on Apr, 12 2012 @ 05:29 PM
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Nice find. A friend was telling me that many European nations have released or are releasing all their UFO files, and that he thought the U.S. would do so soon. That would include all the Navy, Air Force, intelligent agency, etc. data, and with the recent news of the pulling of "Life on Mars" data from the 1976 lander, things could be brewing for a full announcement of E.T. proportions. Or not.
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posted on Apr, 12 2012 @ 05:49 PM
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Originally posted by Phage
There seems to be some conflict between what Keyhoe says he was told by Kimball and the published account.

The May newspaper article makes no mention of the saucer circling either aircraft. Perhaps Keyhoe or Kimball provided some embellishment. The trouble with embellishment is that it can be difficult to tell where it begins and ends. The trouble with conflicting reports from the same source (Kimball) is that it makes it hard to determine what actually may have occurred.


you just HAVE to keep tossing useless comments in threads right?

So you believe a newspaper over actual source documents?

What kind of debunker nub are you?



posted on Apr, 12 2012 @ 05:54 PM
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What actual source documents?

Pointing out discrepancies is useless?





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