To all the God haters:

Originally posted by Iason321
reply to post by Hydroman

 

Once you know the Truth, the Truth shall set you free.

I pray you find It.

Many others are praying for me as well. Just don't disown me like some of my former christian brothers have. We can still be friends.

Originally posted by EvilSadamClone
You guys do know that there is another possibility?

It is this one:

That God actually exists and that the Bible is completely wrong.

That is to say every single thing in the bible is wrong.

Because people can't comprehend God so they try to write him in such a way as to support their interests and beliefs.

Sure, that's another possibility. And there are many, many other possibilities as well.

My main problem with believing in a Christian God is simply this.

No matter what question is posed, the answer is in the ONE book, the Holy Bible. In my mind, something that answers everything, answers nothing. To me, it is that simple. (Also, I have an issue with cherry-picking from the bible. If he is the God you are putting your faith in, why would you only accept certain parts of his work? Wouldn't you have to believe everything he said, if he was half of what was claimed of him?)

Where did man come from - consult the bible

Where did the sun come from - consult the bible

Why are we here? - consult the bible

What happened to the dinosaurs - consult the bible

What sexual positions may I use in my arsenal, and who may receive these positions? - consult the book

To me, it is too convenient. Science at least works at better understanding. We understand something for a time and then find out something new, rewrite the books. If the bible followed this principle, I might be able to find more truth in it, but then again, if it was revised in such a manner, it wouldn't resemble the book it is now, it would be an entirely new book.

Also, as far as the agnostic/atheist issue

I would freely label myself an Atheist to any person who inquired. I know that Agnostic is more appropriate, because I cannot know for certain that God doesn't exist, but I feel it is too weak of a term. To me, the term Agnostic is for people who truly do not know, and are closer to a 50-50 balance. I am not on a 50-50 balance, for I have seen no evidence to justify giving God 50%. Right now, I would say I am 95%Atheist, with 5%Agnostic in me, again, because I cannot know for SURE. For simplicity sake, I just take the label of Atheist, and I have no quarrel with it.

Originally posted by Iason321
Dear atheists, unbelievers, secular humanists, etc.... (this is not addressing spiritual/religious people who believe in gods other than Christ YHVH, this is aimed at those who believe in no deity)

I was in the process of reading an article, and reading a post on ATS in another thread, and I just feel like sharing this with you all.

I feel this is a great read for anybody who has bought into Dawkins / Hitchens anti-God anti-Christ crusade,

www.dailymail.co.uk...


Thank you and God bless you all

This doesn't make sense, how is it that someone who does not believe in God hate that something he does not believe in?
Look not at the source, just the facts.

Yahweh was a Dragon

Yahweh is A Reptilian

Originally posted by autowrench
This doesn't make sense, how is it that someone who does not believe in God hate that something he does not believe in?
Look not at the source, just the facts.

Yahweh was a Dragon

Yahweh is A Reptilian

There was an ancient tribe of middle eastern people, can't remember their name off the top of my head, but they had a pantheon of gods they worshiped. Yahweh was one of them, and he was the storm god.

reply to post by autowrench


A couple wingnut sources claiming YHVH is a dragon and reptilian, that are very easily debunked, is your proof that God is not God?

That's not good .....

I had provided this information in another thread but it's also relevant in this one;

Some atheists are well known and open about their non-belief, while others are more noncommittal. Kevin Bacon’s name graces many lists of celebrity atheists. Given the Six Degrees of Separation game, we wondered what would the Six Degrees of Freethinkers look like?

Further, when we think of the concept of atheism, many of us think of it as a phenomenon that describes a sense of lacking, or the absence of something. But seldom do we stop and think about what atheists do have, or what they do bring to the table as a group of self-described non-believers.With that in mind and whether you believe or not, consider the following list of 20 things we bet you didn’t know about atheists and atheism:

There are roughly 4.9 million declared atheists in the United States.

A 2010 survey found that those identifying as atheists or agnostics are on average more knowledgeable about religion than followers of major faiths.

A recent Washington Post article states that atheists are likely to outnumber Christians in England in 20 years.

Sociologist Phil Zuckerman analyzed previous social science research on secularity and non-belief and concluded that societal well-being is positively correlated with irreligion. His atheism-related findings state that compared to religious people, “atheists and secular people” are less nationalistic, prejudiced, anti-semetic, racist, dogmatic, ethnocentric, close-minded and authoritarian.

Zuckerman also found that in the US, in states with the highest percentages of atheists, the murder rate is lower than average; and that conversely, in the most religious US states, the murder rate is higher than average.

It’s not so much that atheists are adamant in their disbelief in a god. Instead, they believe that the burden of proof lies not on them to disprove the existence of God, but on the theist to provide a solid rationale for theism.

Although in Western culture atheists are often not religious in any way, many of them consider themselves spiritual.

Though it may sound like an oxymoron, Jewish atheism is practiced by atheists who are ethnically, or culturally, Jewish. Because Judaism encompasses ethnic and religious elements, the term doesn’t really imply any contradiction. Because Jewish law is based on matrilineal decent, even the most Orthodox Jewish authority would have to accept an atheist born to a Jewish mother as fully Jewish.

Atheism figures in many religious and spiritual beliefs within Jainism, Buddhism, Hinduism and Neopagan movements, such as Wicca.

In the 20th century, atheistic thought found recognition in a wide variety of other philosophies, such as existentialism, anarchism, Marxism, and feminism, and the general scientific rationalist movement, to name a few.

The prevailing myth is that atheists hate God; however, one cannot hate something that he/she does not believe exists.

According to atheism educator Austin Cline, a person who truly enjoys and appreciates his or her life will take pleasure in it and enjoy it, regardless of whether any sort of afterlife exists.

New Atheism is the name given to a movement among some early-21st-century atheist writers who advocated that “religion should not simply be tolerated but should be countered, criticized, and exposed by rational argument wherever its influence arises.”

Although the term atheism originated in 16th-century France, ideas that would be recognized today as atheistic are documented from the Vedic period in India and the classical antiquity.

One common myth about atheists is that “there are no atheists in foxholes.” The Military Association of Atheists and Freethinkers works to assist non-believers in the U.S. Army and promote awareness of atheists in foxholes. The idea that life-threatening circumstances magically convert atheists to theists is likely wishful thinking on the part of religious believers who have a hard time thinking of anything outside the context of their own religion.

The Oxford English dictionary defines atheism as the disbelief or denial of existence of a god.

The only religious group that’s growing in all 50 American states is “No Affiliation,” according to researchers, Daniel M. Abrams, Haley A. Yaple and Richard J. Wiener; and census data from 85 regions worldwide, show the same trend away from identification with faith. The Netherlands is already 40 % irreligious, Australia and the Czech Republic are both 60 % God-free.

The group American Atheists has erected controversial billboards—in Hebrew in Brooklyn, NY, and in Arabic in Paterson, NJ—that say: God “You know it’s a myth… and you have a choice.”

Atheist feminism is a movement that advocates the equality of the sexes. Atheist feminists believe that the majority of the religions are sexist and oppressive to women.

Originally posted by Iason321
reply to post by autowrench

 

A couple wingnut sources claiming YHVH is a dragon and reptilian, that are very easily debunked, is your proof that God is not God?

That's not good .....

No, the real God is everywhere, and Her name is not Jesus. She is the Great Mother of us all. She lives within each one of us, even the Jesus Cult people.

Originally posted by autowrench

Originally posted by Iason321
Dear atheists, unbelievers, secular humanists, etc.... (this is not addressing spiritual/religious people who believe in gods other than Christ YHVH, this is aimed at those who believe in no deity)

I was in the process of reading an article, and reading a post on ATS in another thread, and I just feel like sharing this with you all.

I feel this is a great read for anybody who has bought into Dawkins / Hitchens anti-God anti-Christ crusade,

www.dailymail.co.uk...


Thank you and God bless you all

This doesn't make sense, how is it that someone who does not believe in God hate that something he does not believe in?
Look not at the source, just the facts.

Yahweh was a Dragon

Yahweh is A Reptilian

Thanks, that was a great read. It's also why Gnostics refer to him as the demiurge, Yaldabaoth, because he's fiery and with a serpent body, and Moses even says that his God is "fiery" and then there is the post you linked to which also confirms all that.

Yaldabaoth is one of the archons, most likely the chief one, which were probably a group of ETs that rebelled (mutiny?). Reminds me of the Greco-Roman pantheon (Olympians), who rebelled against the Titans, because the archons too were seen as rebels, or "fallen angels" to put it poetically.

Originally posted by Iason321
reply to post by JAY1980

 

Dinosaurs were scattered around earth by evil satan and his minions obviously, to throw us off!

Just kidding, :p .

I believe whatever the current scientific model says about Dinosaurs, I am not well versed in paleontology

While I don't see eye to eye with you on a lot of things I'm giving you a star for a reference to Bill Hicks, whether or not you knew Bill Hicks said that. lol

Originally posted by Daemonicon
Also, as far as the agnostic/atheist issue

I would freely label myself an Atheist to any person who inquired. I know that Agnostic is more appropriate, because I cannot know for certain that God doesn't exist, but I feel it is too weak of a term. To me, the term Agnostic is for people who truly do not know, and are closer to a 50-50 balance. I am not on a 50-50 balance, for I have seen no evidence to justify giving God 50%. Right now, I would say I am 95%Atheist, with 5%Agnostic in me, again, because I cannot know for SURE. For simplicity sake, I just take the label of Atheist, and I have no quarrel with it.

If you are 95% Atheist and 5% Agnostic you are just like me. That's why I call myself and Atheist Agnostic. lol

For someone to be a God hater they must first believe in God. If they do not believe in god you have no power over them. You can label them and force others to believe what you want about them and try to guilt them into believing like you do, but the strong independent thinkers who disagree with you are not necessarily God haters.

What you have accomplished here is to prove to all those who were on the ropes about religion just how full of hatred YOU are. You persecute those who have different beliefs than you rather than trying to understand their position. The reason you do this is mostly self preservation since if you had to admit to evolution then you would also have to admit other things you have spent your life preaching about are also wrong.

Most people are not strong enough to change their mindset midlife and oppose everyone who has influenced them along the way. I say most because I am one of the few who have done just that. I have been religious all my life and most recently was Christian. I graduated from a Catholic university and spent countless hours studying religion. What I learned is that most of your leaders are aware God does not exist. Do you think god wanted a crystal cathedral? A good Christian would never question these things.

Priests and preachers are no more than politicians in a different racket. The old excuse when they get busted screwing some boy that they made a mistake or they are just human don't wash. They are pedophiles and their job allows them access to children and the parents protect them because of guilt built in to their religion. You are incapable of being objective because of your belief structure. In order for you to accept evolution you have to admit that your whole belief system is flawed. That in turn would make you look like an idiot and force you to rethink everything you ever believed. Very few people are cut out to take on such a life changing event, but those that do will never be fooled again nor will they be taken advantage of or used by those that would if they could.

I don't hate God because God does not exist! Since he does not exist your whole idea of guilting me into submission will not work. You will call me an Atheist or whatever, but that is wrong as well since Atheists believe in God but worship the Devil as far as I know. All of your "Intelligence" comes from books made for you that create a morality base that allows people to get along. Morality works have been around as long as religion and if you really want to know where you bible comes from find the old texts that were copied for the current revision. God did not write the bible people. It is a morality play meant to teach people how to get along as a society and nothing more.

This is a conspiracy forum. If you post religious babble here expect to be called out and defend your stance intelligently. Don't expect a bunch of praise Jesus whispering and bible quoting. If you want that go to a religious website and chat with others like yourself.

This is from the article:

Dawkins can no more 'prove' the non-existence of God than anyone else can prove He does exist. Read more: www.dailymail.co.uk...

The atheist proposition is as follows: It may not be said that there is no god, but it may be said there is no reason to believe in god's existence.
The only evidence of god's existence is the bible. Evidence of evolution is all around us.

until christians can prove their gods existence without simply saying 'faith is my proof' or the bible is proof, there is not much of an argument in their favor.

reply to post by TheCelestialHuman


What if evolution is not contrary evidence to the Bible and God though? I believe evolution and science can co-exist with the Bible, at least how I understand it anyways

BioLogos

Originally posted by Iason321
reply to post by TheCelestialHuman

 

What if evolution is not contrary evidence to the Bible and God though? I believe evolution and science co-exist with the Bible, at least how I understand it.

www.biologos.org is a good start

Evolution doesn't disprove a god. It only shows how diversity in lifeforms are made possible.

reply to post by Iason321


But, according to fossil records and francis collins (a devout christian and head of the human genome project) humans have been on earth for 100,000 years... with this information, according to what we know of early history, if you believe in the bible, you would also have to believe that for 96,000 years humans were born, many died at childbirth, died from mircoorganism diseases, waged war with each other; over women, land, tribes, etc... And for 96,000 years god watches with indifference.. then all of a sudden one day about 4,000 years ago he decides to intervene, but in barbaric middle east where people are illiterate and uneducated.. his way of intervention is shared in the old testament: mass murder, plagues, genocide, and human sacrifice... it seems rather unlikely. So therefore, based on what we know from science and history, the bible does not agree with the theory of evolution.

Originally posted by Iason321
reply to post by TheCelestialHuman

 

What if evolution is not contrary evidence to the Bible and God though? I believe evolution and science can co-exist with the Bible, at least how I understand it anyways

BioLogos

edit on 4/11/2012 by Iason321 because: (no reason given)

Seems rather convenient that you can believe God pulled a rib from Adam and made Eve yet Dinosaurs are not mentioned anywhere in the bible and somehow you are able to include them in your theology.

reply to post by Iason321


JC for ever man...... just sayin

I don't hate 'God'; I do detest most of the [Biblical] God. Why? Because from Genesis to Revelations he exhibits traits that are not 'God-like' by any rational standards. Why should an omnipotent, omniscient being require his Creations love "him" on pain of an eternal torture that he himself allowed to exist? That's so asinine and contradictory to the point of being conscious, it hurts to even think about.... anyway it's human nature to not love tyrants. Perhaps God did spawn human life, yes --- and so that gives him a free pass to fear-trip everyone? He himself should know, of course the thinking man would not accept it.

As for the concept of God, I'm in love with it. I embrace the philosophy of creation with open arms; and I find myself to be inherently spiritual without the need of religious dogma. In part, that's what makes being sentient such a thrill. The mystery of 'life '& 'death'. Existing...

On the other hand, believing that a few people get into heaven and most people just suffer for eternity is the exact opposite of peace of mind. Even most Christians are not actually 'saved' by Biblical standards; fear is quite the dominant beast.