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posted on Apr, 12 2012 @ 11:40 AM
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Originally posted by Iason321
Yes, I know.

But do you not understand how God works? What you are seeking, is in your face, but you don't see it. Seeing you do not see, hearing you do not hear.

What good would it do for God Almighty himself to manifest in front of you?

You'd probably just disbelieve a few hours after the Theophany anyways, and be no better off than before.
So, it looks like I was born to be doomed. That sucks. I'll get over it, I guess.

Anyway, I see your answer as more of a cop-out than anything. If your god was real, and omniscient, he would know exactly what it would take for me to believe.

See, when I was a christian, I wanted a real relationship with the creator of the universe. Not a one way communication relationship. I wanted to actually meet this god and truly get to know him. What I found out is that I can have the same relationship with a tree if I believe hard enough.

I can honestly say that no, I do not know how your god works. But, I heard it was mysterious.
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posted on Apr, 12 2012 @ 11:45 AM
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Originally posted by Hydroman

Originally posted by diamondoftheworld

Originally posted by Hydroman

Originally posted by diamondoftheworld
This...God what harm he did to you to hate him so much.Maybe God is love and help you in hard times...maybe....many things.
Again, how can you hate something you don't believe in? How hard is that to understand? Do you hate Zeus?
Sorry Hydroman,but who is Zeus and...how many they are?Life is about facts and facts guide you to the same point..to believe when there is suffering.
Zeus is a god worshiped by ancient Greeks. Do you hate him? Do you honestly not see what I'm saying?
II was not born with the feeling of hatred,l was born with love from love.



posted on Apr, 12 2012 @ 11:51 AM
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Originally posted by diamondoftheworld
II was not born with the feeling of hatred,l was born with love from love.
Good for you. But do you not see what I'm saying, or what? Please don't act dense. Or maybe you're saying you love Zeus?
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posted on Apr, 12 2012 @ 01:18 PM
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I assume most have seen or are at least aware of the Zeigeist film series. In the first film, "Part 1 - Religion: The greatest story ever told".. it breaks down the history of religion and how it came to be. For the religious believers amongst us; what are your thoughts/opinions on this analysis and how does it affect your religious beliefs? If you disagree with it's analysis please provide evidence to the contrary of the films conclusions.




posted on Apr, 12 2012 @ 02:42 PM
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Originally posted by Ericthenewbie
I assume most have seen or are at least aware of the Zeigeist film series. In the first film, "Part 1 - Religion: The greatest story ever told".. it breaks down the history of religion and how it came to be. For the religious believers amongst us; what are your thoughts/opinions on this analysis and how does it affect your religious beliefs? If you disagree with it's analysis please provide evidence to the contrary of the films conclusions.




I don't have all of the links or time to discuss, but there have been many posts on here refuting the conclusions in zeitgeist. It seems like good eye candy, until you actually do some research and find out that most of it in the religion part is false and relates back to the same faulty arguments previously made by some guy several hundred years ago.



posted on Apr, 12 2012 @ 03:45 PM
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Yeah, I'm pretty sure most of the Zeitgeist stuff has been debunked.



posted on Apr, 12 2012 @ 04:43 PM
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So if that is the case, educate me, show me how it has been debunked? (if you don't want to post it, just send me a U2U so I can see the information for myself)
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posted on Apr, 12 2012 @ 04:52 PM
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Here's a website that belongs to a skeptic who explains it, if you want to take the time to go through everything.

conspiracies.skepticproject.com...



posted on Apr, 12 2012 @ 05:16 PM
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Okay so I read through the link you provided and I was more than a little disappointed as I was eager for the debunking of the religious component of the film yet that isn't what the link discusses...do you have anything that debunks the religious aspect of the film?



posted on Apr, 12 2012 @ 06:05 PM
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Really all I came away with was that Dawkins and his emailers were both ........ well... lacked credability. Of course the, ahem 'Christians' were most assuredly not Christians, as their behavior and foul and vulgar voices betrayed that fact. Dawkins seeming credibility was for the most part based on the display of 'christian' tirades and obvious hypocritical behavior, as it would be thought no 'real' Christian would speak in such a manner. But it seemed Dawkins based his credibility on his unmasking these obviously 'NOT' christians, and displayed a certain smugness over it. His audience or friends, didn't impart any sense of demeanor or um...intelligence either. Dawkens may well hold degrees, but seems loathe to draw from them. I can tell you this much, the people sending the emails were scant able to form sentences, let alone speak in a way representative o one who's heart and mind was focused on God and Jesus. Simply put, there was no spirit of God or Jesus in them. But then again, wasn't that obvious.?



posted on Apr, 12 2012 @ 08:17 PM
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Originally posted by Ericthenewbie
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Okay so I read through the link you provided and I was more than a little disappointed as I was eager for the debunking of the religious component of the film yet that isn't what the link discusses...do you have anything that debunks the religious aspect of the film?
In the link I provided, click on "Movie Part One". That's the religious part.



posted on Apr, 12 2012 @ 08:21 PM
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Zeitgest Refuted: The final Cut;

1 hour 59 minutes long.




posted on Apr, 12 2012 @ 08:54 PM
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Dawkins is entitled to believe whatever he wants, same as christians are entitled to believe whatever we want. I for one could care less what he believes, i'm not going to cast my pearls at pigs. He cannot stop us. Even the Caesars of Rome thought they could stop us and try as Nero Caesar might he could not wipe us out, nor could Vespasian or any other. Pluck one dandelion and 20 more spring up the next day. You may kill a person, but you cannot kill an ideal and you cannot kill Yahweh, try as you and those like you might he will beat you everytime. We were here 2,000 years before Dawkins, and we'll be here for 10,000 after him, barring the return of the King.



posted on Apr, 12 2012 @ 10:46 PM
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Originally posted by lonewolf19792000
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Dawkins is entitled to believe whatever he wants, same as christians are entitled to believe whatever we want. I for one could care less what he believes, i'm not going to cast my pearls at pigs. He cannot stop us. Even the Caesars of Rome thought they could stop us and try as Nero Caesar might he could not wipe us out, nor could Vespasian or any other. Pluck one dandelion and 20 more spring up the next day. You may kill a person, but you cannot kill an ideal and you cannot kill Yahweh, try as you and those like you might he will beat you everytime. We were here 2,000 years before Dawkins, and we'll be here for 10,000 after him, barring the return of the King.
You can't stop the Muslims or the Hindus, so in your face.
P.S. Hindus have had their belief system much longer than christians. It must be divine as well.
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posted on Apr, 12 2012 @ 10:56 PM
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Originally posted by Ericthenewbie
So if that is the case, educate me, show me how it has been debunked?

Zeitgeist was created to distort reality and lead people AWAY from the Truth. PERIOD.


"The philosophy behind the Zeitgeist movement comes from the writings of H. P. Blavatsky who declared that Lucifer / Satan is the God of this world & the one whom she worshipped."



"...the TARGET of the film is Christianity. This is what they are after. To usher in the NWO they have to discredit and get rid of Christianity in order for them to succeed. They are very subtle in the way they work now. They are very slick in mixing truth with fact, as the Father of Lies always has done.

Joe Schimmel's article is one of the best written about Zeitgeist:


"Zeitgeist presents a long debunked theory that claims early Christians created a “Christ myth” that is loosely based on an alleged amalgamation of ideas that were borrowed from various pagan religions. However, serious scholars, long ago, refuted the ideas promulgated in Zeitgeist. To its own detriment, Zeitgeist quotes plenty of biased occult sources and very few, if any, primary sources.

"the worst thing about the movie is that it mixes some truth with much “that is plainly and simply Bogus.” "In watching Zeitgeist, I personally had a hard time believing so many lies could be crammed into one film."

"The most disturbing thing about this film is that Zeitgeist falsely claims that Jesus is mere ‘myth’ and not the Savior of the world. However, these claims clearly go against historical evidence to the contrary. Serious scholars and historians no longer question Jesus’ existence. "

"Overall, Zeitgeist repeatedly relies on the views of Satanists and famous occultists like Madame Helena Blavatsky and Manly P. Hall. Many historians document that Blavatsky’s occult teachings inspired the occult worldview of Adolph Hitler and the Nazi movement. One of the astonishing ironies about the Zeitgeist movement is that it came under the guise of exposing pagan beliefs and globalism only to end up leading people away from the truth of God’s word and into the occult and The New World Order!" Source


Richard Evans also wrote a good story on it here as well.

Another excellent video (10 min.) exposing the true agenda of Zeitgeist:

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posted on Apr, 13 2012 @ 03:16 AM
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Just a note...Zeitgeist has not been debunked. You can not debunk a truth. Sure, not everything said in there is truth to the letter. But ideas are irrefutable. The idea that Christianity borrowed from other pagan religions...events, people, is not debunked. In fact, there is much evidence for it. Zeitgeist made a couple of errors, because they wanted to emphasize similarities...some of them are not quite true...especially concerning dates of birth and such numbers when comparing to previous religions. But that does not refute the whole film. Not even that first part.

I've seen debunk movies. Many of them. Most of them are obvious agenda work.How can you tell you ask? Well, not answering the important questions, and merely focusing on ridiculing a single misrepresented "fact".



posted on Apr, 13 2012 @ 03:53 AM
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wow...what a load of nonsense man.

1. "The philosophy behind the Zeitgeist movement comes from the writings of H. P. Blavatsky" - and your proof for that is? Does that say somewhere in the credits?

very much special thanks to madamme Blavatsky for her tireless contribution in the field of satanic teachings.

IF someone doubts the icon of christ he is immediately a satanist follower? Wow man...I mean really wow. I'm afraid of this world that surrounds us.

2. "the TARGET of the film is Christianity. This is what they are after."

Christianity is only one target of the film. In fact...only the first part of first movie of the whole movie series deals with religion/christianity . If Christianity was the target...it would have been so in every other sequel, addendum.

3. "Zeitgeist quotes plenty of biased occult sources and very few, if any, primary sources."

wow again. Biased occult sources? I guess Egyptian, Summerian and Bhudist religions and beliefs are occult and biased. And these "primary sources" are? The Bible? And they are in no way biased of course. Heaven forbid that christianity would tell a lie....hell no. You burn in hell for that. All those other stupid false religions don't have that commandment about lying built into the list....oh wait...they do.

4. Questioning Jesuses existance ? I'm not sure what authors meant with that, but I would say they question the myth of Jesus. The myth. Do you understand the difference? I'm most certainly a real person...but things they say I can/could do, especially after a few thousand years, could be a myth that has nothing to do with the real person that is me.

5. "Many historians document that Blavatsky’s occult teachings inspired the occult worldview of Adolph Hitler and the Nazi movement. One of the astonishing ironies about the Zeitgeist movement is that it came under the guise of exposing pagan beliefs and globalism only to end up leading people away from the truth of God’s word and into the occult and The New World Order!"

And the Bible inspired how many deaths of the innocent? How many women have burned? How many men? Yet no one is bothered by that. But that Blavatsky broad is pure evil, cos Hitler was inspired by her teachings. And Hitler is...you know...evil. He killed innocent people...and no real christian would do that...ever...'cos it's forbidden you see.

Zeitgeist has not led me away from the truth...because you don't know the truth to say I've been led away. You only believe you know it, without real evidence or proof.
The zeitgeist never...in any moment, led to me the occult. I'm not a Blavatsky fan, never actually red any of her teachings. I have never seen anything in zeitgeist that would look like a suggestion to join the Blavatsky or any other satanic cause.

With respect to you...your comments about Zeitgeist are unfounded in many ways. Those quotes you provided are nothing more than a biased unsubstantiated view of the movie and it's authors.
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posted on Apr, 13 2012 @ 07:00 AM
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The plan for this high budget, agenda driven "documentary" is clear... The zeitgeist movies are theosophy based religious propaganda, theosophy being the basis for the New World Order Religion:


"The Theosophical Society is one of the darkest secret societies in the entire world, having much in common with the Thule Society, the Black Magick Satanic secret society that trained Adolf Hitler in all the deepest aspects of Satanism."

"Theosophy, Satan worship, New Age, Freemasonry, and witchcraft are inseparable. They all hate God, hate the Word of God, and are committed to a one-world order, i.e., the Beast system of the coming Antichrist."

"...the primary agenda of Theosophy is to further the New World Order, i.e., the Beast system of the coming Antichrist."


Zeitgeist woke up many people to the fact that 9/11 was an inside job (TRUTH) but factored in what the NWO believes to be the truth as well (theosophic spirituality). And then for Joseph to be quoted as moving away from the 'inside job' position...PROVES it was disinformation to lead people into yet another trap.

Peter Joseph is nothing but a disinfo propagandist. He won people over with his views on 9/11 and has turned his back on 9/11 Truth. He 'hooked' people searching for the truth with a mix of the truth and opinion.


The video's producer does inform us that "It is my hope that people will not take what is said in the film as the truth . . ."

Indeed... Personally, I've had enough lies. If you cant see an agenda, then face FACTS: the movie really did its job well. For your OWN sake, please, wake UP!


"You'd rather trust a movie that advocates "our" New World Order like it's some big freakin' difference from "their" New World Order. News flash: It's still a world government. It's still the UN and it's still microchips! Only "our" New World Order has some fake, phony New Age Maitreya savior baloney to keep everyone happy. Zeitgeist is just recycled New Age."

They are the very same people they are pretending to be fighting:


Zeitgeist – thinly veiled pro-NWO autocratic facistic propaganda made hip

"Peter Joseph and “The Zeitgeist Movement” or TZM represent some of the most successful covert propaganda pieces fed to angsty youths the world over. TZM to be nothing more than a diversionary tactic used to get a bunch of young men and women to vocally support total Fascism and excitedly hop on the cattle-cars on the way to their beloved “Venus Project” which will more likely end up being a gas chamber. TZM’s absurd ideas just get more ridiculous from there. It is pretty sad that more young people can’t see through this hyped up autocratic pipe dream and realize that it is a UN supported disinformation and propaganda campaign being used to appropriate the truth movement into a pro-Globalization movement that has the exact same aims as the institutions it seems at first glance to be fighting against."
Source



The lies of Zeitgeist exposed.

"One need look no further than Karl Marx to see the parallels between Zeitgeist Addendum & Socialism. Most of those that have been actively observing the global elite have likewise understand that a pre-planned financial crash has been in the works for some time. Nickolas Sarozky (president of the EU) says he wants a new global economic system to rise out of the ashes of this crash (like the occultic Phoenix) which, in his own words is expressed as a 'new world' order. Zeitgeist Addendum seems to further the cause for this New World Order, neo-socialist paradigm. It's no coincidence that just as the New World Order beings implementing marxist thought in so called free countries, Zeitgeist Addendum shows up to incite the masses in a global call for marxism. It's such a shame that so many people believe something merely because it's in a movie. Anyone and everyone who doesn't believe what they hear on TV and has actually researched the claims made in this film have found them to be completely unreliable." Source

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posted on Apr, 13 2012 @ 07:46 AM
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Please explain the Zeitgeist agenda and how it influenced my life. I declare that I have seen Zeitgeist...numerous times, and support the message of the movie. The message I got is...do your own investigations, don't take anything at face value, don't trust the MSM.

So what has it done to me ?...being a devotee.

Have I joined a neo nazi group? No
Have I started devoting my life to satanistic rituals? No
Am I further away from "God's true word"? I have never been closer to it, once I was freed from dogma.

So what is this agenda of the Zeitgeist that you speak of ? Please tell me so I can look back upon my wasted life after watching the Zeitgeist.



posted on Apr, 13 2012 @ 09:09 AM
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Originally posted by TedHodgson
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Define "God Hater", Is it someone who doesn't agree with the popular image of God? Is it someone who doesn't agree with christian ideals? Or is it someone who Thinks a little too much for "God's"(or at least what people assume god thinks is too much) liking?



I think the thread is referring to people who seem to make it their life's effort to spew hate at Christians and God. So I wouldn't call you a "God Hater". I would guess that you either haven't yet seen the path, or have seen it and ignored it. Either way, you seem very civil about it and for that I thank you.


Originally posted by Hydroman
So, since your god is omniscient, and you have a personal relationship with him...ask him to tell you what I'm wearing right now, in perfect detail.


If He wanted to, He could tell me what you're wearing right now. COULD is supremely different from WILL. God isn't a fast-food menu, you don't place your order and wait for it to arrive. He gives me what I need to know, when I need to know it. Some things He doesn't explain to me, others He guides me to, and sometimes He simply tells me. Just because He doesn't answer my questions all the time doesn't mean He doesn't exist. I can't MAKE him answer just because I want to. It doesn't work that way.


EDIT NOTE: For some reason my formatting is being screwed up for this post. Sorry, but nothing I can do.
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