Moon Landing Hoax - The Space Suit

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posted on Apr, 6 2012 @ 12:16 AM
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A simple explanation of how NASA contradicted themselves: Air conditioning does not work in the vacuum of space.



A vacuum is a condition of nothingness where there are no molecules. Vacuums exist in degrees. Some scientists tell us that there is no such thing as an absolute vacuum. Space is the closest thing to an absolute vacuum that is known to us. There are so few molecules present in most areas of what we know as "space" that any concept of "hot" or "cold" is impossible to measure. A vacuum is a perfect insulator. That is why a "Thermos" or vacuum bottle is used to store hot or cold liquids in order to maintain the temperature for the longest time possible without re-heating or re-cooling.

Radiation of all types will travel through a vacuum but will not affect the vacuum. Radiant heat from the sun travels through the vacuum of space but does not "warm" space. In fact the radiant heat of the sun has no affect whatsoever until it strikes matter. Molecular movement will increase in direct proportion to the radiant energy which is absorbed by matter. The time it takes to heat matter exposed to direct sunlight in space is determined by its color, its elemental properties, its distance from the sun, and its rate of absorption of radiant heat energy. Space is NOT hot. Space is NOT cold.

Objects which are heated cannot be cooled by space. In order for an object to cool it must first be removed from direct sunlight. Objects which are in the shadow of another object will eventually cool but not because space is "cold". Space is not cold. Hot and cold do not exist in the vacuum of space. Objects cool because the laws of motion dictate that the molecules of the object will slow down due to the resistance resulting from striking other molecules until eventually all motion will stop provided the object is sheltered from the direct and/or indirect radiation of the sun and that there is no other source of heat. Since the vacuum of space is the perfect insulator objects take a very long time to cool even when removed from all sources of heat, radiated or otherwise.

NASA insists the space suits the astronauts supposedly wore on the lunar surface were air conditioned. An air conditioner cannot, and will not work without a heat exchanger. A heat exchanger simply takes heat gathered in a medium such as freon from one place and transfers it to another place. This requires a medium of molecules which can absorb and transfer the heat such as an atmosphere or water. An air conditioner will not and cannot work in a vacuum. A space suit surrounded by a vacuum cannot transfer heat from the inside of the suit to any other place. The vacuum, remember, is a perfect insulator. A man would roast in his suit in such a circumstance.

NASA claims the spacesuits were cooled by a water system which was piped around the body, then through a system of coils sheltered from the sun in the backpack. NASA claims that water was sprayed on the coils causing a coating of ice to form. The ice then supposedly absorbed the tremendous heat collected in the water and evaporated into space. There are two problems with this that cannot be explained away. 1) The amount of water needed to be carried by the astronauts in order to make this work for even a very small length of time in the direct 55 degrees over the boiling point of water (210 degrees F at sea level on Earth) heat of the sun could not have possibly been carried by the astronauts. 2) NASA has since claimed that they found ice in moon craters. NASA claims that ice sheltered from the direct rays of the sun will NOT evaporate destroying their own bogus "air conditioning" explanation. - William Cooper


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posted on Apr, 6 2012 @ 12:21 AM
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dont forget that people have measured the space suits and found them to be 32 or so inches wide. How could that fit through a 32-inch door?

when this mistake was observed by nasa they scrambled to change the door to 42 inches and even lost the lunar module blueprints in an effort to cover up this error.

critical mistake made by the nasa movie factory
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posted on Apr, 6 2012 @ 12:24 AM
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Interesting point. You are getting a flag as this seems like there is going to be some kind of answer bogus or not. I myself can't answer but I am very interested to see what replies pop up.



posted on Apr, 6 2012 @ 12:31 AM
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The physics explained by cooper seem logical.. Unless someone can decipher or conclude an alternative theory?


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posted on Apr, 6 2012 @ 12:33 AM
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The evidence that the Moon landings were faked continues to build, and yet it is one of the fake truths, like 9/11 and the Kennedy assassination that most people stubbornly cling to. It's like what Morpheus told Neo in the first Matrix movie, that most people who were in the system are so dependent on it that they would actually fight against anyone who tried to free them from it.



posted on Apr, 6 2012 @ 12:33 AM
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Me too, I love this kinda debate; it will be interesting to see what transpires.........

Let the good times troll.................



posted on Apr, 6 2012 @ 12:35 AM
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"This requires a medium of molecules which can absorb and transfer the heat such as an atmosphere or water."

I do believe the moon has an atmosphere. If I wasn't on mobile I would add links.


 
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posted on Apr, 6 2012 @ 12:37 AM
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No man has ever ascended higher than 300 miles, if that high, above the Earth's surface. No man has ever orbited, landed on, or walked upon the moon in any publicly known space program. If man has ever truly been to the moon it has been done in secret and with a far different technology.



posted on Apr, 6 2012 @ 12:40 AM
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What you smoking fella?



posted on Apr, 6 2012 @ 12:41 AM
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Yes i do recall that the moon has a slight atmosphere. Regardless; NASA still contradict themselves with their statements.


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posted on Apr, 6 2012 @ 12:46 AM
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Here is NASA's explanation of how the PLSS works but it won't matter since your mind is already made up.


www.hq.nasa.gov...


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posted on Apr, 6 2012 @ 12:46 AM
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Wow.....It seems that no one has even come close to investigating this for themselves and will gladly form their own view of reality based on a post in a conspiracy forum.

Deny ignorance people....please.

The space suits cooling system is fluid based. It requires no atmosphere to work as it cools the liquid in the shade created by the backpack enclosure on the space suits.

This is pretty well documented and if you check out the system used by the Russians.....you will find their system to be almost identical in principle.



posted on Apr, 6 2012 @ 12:51 AM
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Oh I don't disagree with you there. NASA (never a straight answer)



 
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posted on Apr, 6 2012 @ 12:55 AM
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O'lay! (waves red flag for the flood of space enthusiasts coming) I'll just sit back over here and munch from my bag of carrots if the show develops.


In the mean time and on topic, I'd agree entirely about how Air Conditioning wouldn't work too well in a total vacumm. Why, a conventional air conditioning unit would be exhausting..what...where?


As for how they solve it, the technical papers for almost everything from the Apollo program is public domain and readily available or widely discussed in Space type publications. It has also been solved by sheer necessity and the alternative of dying an UNTHINKABLE death even the guys on the Moon wouldn't have suffered for places like highly contaminated areas the CDC investigators or USAMRID space suit guys do. Soldiers on a chemical battlefield would probably wish for space too..... Point being, those are other examples of where the outer atmosphere may as well be deep space...and the nature of the suit makes it all about the same thing, IMO.

Now watch, Phage will come along with a far better explanation in a few sentences.
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posted on Apr, 6 2012 @ 12:55 AM
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Wow. A pattern I notice in the "moon landing hoax" crowd is they fail to do ANY research on anything, before jumping to conclusions to fulfill their fantasies of an eternally primal mankind.

Sorry, we went to the moon, and sorry, space suits use peltier thermoelectric devices for water cooling. As the poster above said, it's very well documented. Here is an example.

Automatic control of watercooling in space suits


92 page .pdf


Thermoelectric cooling

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posted on Apr, 6 2012 @ 12:57 AM
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Originally posted by CynicalWabbit
Here is NASA's explanation of how the PLSS works but it won't matter since your mind is already made up.


www.hq.nasa.gov...


Just seems like there is too many fragile parts in there that if one thing went wrong the astronaut could die.

Unless there is a lot more atmosphere on the Moon than we are told in which case the Suits are not needed and only depressurization and oxygen tank would be needed.



to op


What temp is space then if it's not cold ? Would it be the perfect neutral temp and the only reason we think of space as cold is because of how close our ISS and Astronauts are still to earth.



posted on Apr, 6 2012 @ 12:57 AM
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NASA claims the spacesuits were cooled by a water system which was piped around the body, then through a system of coils sheltered from the sun in the backpack. NASA claims that water was sprayed on the coils causing a coating of ice to form. The ice then supposedly absorbed the tremendous heat collected in the water and evaporated into space. There are two problems with this that cannot be explained away. 1) The amount of water needed to be carried by the astronauts in order to make this work for even a very small length of time in the direct 55 degrees over the boiling point of water (210 degrees F at sea level on Earth) heat of the sun could not have possibly been carried by the astronauts. 2) NASA has since claimed that they found ice in moon craters. NASA claims that ice sheltered from the direct rays of the sun will NOT evaporate destroying their own bogus "air conditioning" explanation.



posted on Apr, 6 2012 @ 12:58 AM
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Not saying this is da troof... just bringing it.

science.howstuffworks.com...


and a portable life support backpack that contained oxygen, carbon-dioxide removal equipment and cooling water. The space suit and backpack weighed 180 lb (82 kg) on Earth, but only 30 lb (14 kg) on the moon.

Differing gravity on the moon might account for the discrepancy in OP's statement that the back pack couldn't carry enough water?


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posted on Apr, 6 2012 @ 01:00 AM
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NASA claims that ice sheltered from the direct rays of the sun will NOT evaporate destroying their own bogus "air conditioning" explanation.


Ice will not evaporate in permanently shadowed craters with extremely low temperatures. But ice will evaporate if located on a warm radiator of a space suit even in shadow, carrying the heat away.



posted on Apr, 6 2012 @ 01:02 AM
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Originally posted by LucidDreamer85

Originally posted by CynicalWabbit
Here is NASA's explanation of how the PLSS works but it won't matter since your mind is already made up.


www.hq.nasa.gov...


Just seems like there is too many fragile parts in there that if one thing went wrong the astronaut could die.

Unless there is a lot more atmosphere on the Moon than we are told in which case the Suits are not needed and only depressurization and oxygen tank would be needed.


Nobody ever said that there wouldn't be a chance of mechanical breakdown just like everything else on the Apollo flights, that's why the guys that went on those missions had BIG brass balls.
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