"If I had a son, he'd look like Trayvon." - Obama. What the MSM isn't telling you.

Originally posted by timetothink
reply to post by JimmyJagov

 

When you are on private property and the one asking the question is the neighborhood watch guy...then he most certainly does have the right to ask him a question.

Zimmerman was the "self"-appointed neighborhood watchman. He saw himself in that role, and that's fine and dandy, but it still doesn't give him the right to question or detain Martin. Myself, right now, I'm visiting my sister until I get on my feet. If someone were to ask me what I was doing there, I may or may not answer, but I'd be pissed. I have a RIGHT to live where I please, within means. I have a fully developed brain. At 17, you are young, dumb, and well we know the rest. You don't think straight and you think you are invincible. Both parties may have made a mistake that night, but Zimmerman instigated it by following, then thinking it was HIS responsibility, not the police, to question Martin. He's lucky Martin wasn't the one breaking into homes and had a gun himself. Maybe then it would be Zimmerman about to be put in the ground over his foolishness, not Martin.

The FBI, the Justice Department's Civil Rights Division, and the U.S. Attorney's Office for the Middle District of Florida will investigate the killing of Trayvon Martin, an unarmed 17-year-old Florida high school student, who was shot by a self-appointed neighborhood watchman. "The department will conduct a thorough and independent review of all of the evidence and take appropriate action at the conclusion of the investigation," a statement released by the Justice Department this evening said. "The department also is providing assistance to and cooperating with the state officials in their investigation into the incident."

reply to post by MrWendal

Keep in mind, Martin RAN from ZImmerman according to Zimmerman's 911 call.

TM ran around the corner. He told his girlfriend he wasn't going to run. There is nothing that proves TM was running from GZ.

If George Zimmerman was not close enough to Martin to ask him what he was doing there when he was on the phone with 911, how did he get so close to Martin afterwards?

Exactly, even if GZ took off running again, TM should have been quite a ways down the block. Look at the satellite map. If TM was shot on that little patch of grass just around the corner, it indicates that TM was waiting for GZ, after running around the corner. It shows that TM ambushed GZ.

My scenario is completely based on the evidence, and especially the two calls. We know TM runs around the corner, GZ starts to follow, then told he does not need to do that. GZ makes arrangements to meet with the police officers, the phone call ends. The body is found just around the corner from the police report, so that is where the confrontation takes place. TM doesn't mention a truck, so all indication are GZ walks around the corner, and that is when the confrontation takes place. From the GFs statement, it happens quickly, which sounds like TM ambushed GZ.

Originally posted by TheXoor
Has this been posted yet? (sorry, not wading through sixty pages of this stuff).

If not, have a look. Not really all that cool, IMHO. Innocent until proven guilty and all that.

(I used photoshop to black out a few letters on the shirt so as to be in official compliance with ATS's no obsecnity rules.)

More race baiting...

Who cares what t-shirt that moron is wearing..

George Zimmerman has zero credibility.

He carried a gun while "on patrol" violating established protocols for Neighborhood Watch.
He has a history of harassment against black people.
He has filed false police reports, specifically regarding alleged assaults.
He has taken the life of a child.

Thank you for this. As much as I agree with some posters, and agree to disagree with a few others about this case in particular, I'm glad I saw this a learned more about what was going on. I just can't believe I had to sift through almost 7 pages of bickering to find it. (How many more are there, I wonder?)

Originally posted by poet1b
TM ran around the corner. He told his girlfriend he wasn't going to run. There is nothing that proves TM was running from GZ.

Sure there is. It is called Zimmerman's 911 call when Zimmerman says, "He's running". It does not matter if he runs around the corner or several blocks. He ran because of Zimmerman. Previously to his encounter with Zimmerman he was "walking around" by Zimmerman's own report in the 911 call.

Are you suggesting Martin ran because he suddenly decided he wanted some exercise? Or is your suggestion that Martin ran away in an attempt to lure Zimmerman close so he could attack?

Exactly, even if GZ took off running again, TM should have been quite a ways down the block. Look at the satellite map. If TM was shot on that little patch of grass just around the corner, it indicates that TM was waiting for GZ, after running around the corner. It shows that TM ambushed GZ.

Knowing where they were is not proof of an "ambush". It is proof that Martin stopped running.

My scenario is completely based on the evidence, and especially the two calls. We know TM runs around the corner, GZ starts to follow, then told he does not need to do that.

You are assuming this is the sequence of events. You do not know this as factual. Unless you have access to information no one else does, this is pure speculation on your part.

GZ makes arrangements to meet with the police officers, the phone call ends.

Not accurate. He agrees to no meeting place after being told to not follow. The only agreement is that Police will call him back and then he will tell them where he is at. This statement alone suggest that Zimmerman was going to continue to follow after being not to. If he had no intention of following Martin further, why not accept the meeting place at the clubhouse or mailboxes like the Operator suggest?

The body is found just around the corner from the police report, so that is where the confrontation takes place.

Again, assumption.

TM doesn't mention a truck,

Martin doesn't mention anything now. He is dead. He mentions to his girlfriend that he is being followed. We KNOW about the truck based on the 911 call.

so all indication are GZ walks around the corner, and that is when the confrontation takes place. From the GFs statement, it happens quickly, which sounds like TM ambushed GZ.

There is nothing in her statement that suggest Zimmerman was "ambushed". How often does a person who has just set you up to follow them around a corner, as you describe, stop to ask a question like, "Why are you following me?" just before "ambushing" you? And not only does Martin, in your scenario, postpone his ambush to ask a question, he also waits to here the answer, "What are you doing here?" before "ambushing"?

Either your idea of "ambush" is a bit off, or this is the most pitiful ambush known to man.

reply to post by ker2010


If she punches you or otherwise tries to accost you and you live in a stand your ground state and you fear for your life....you can defend yourself.....yes.

reply to post by popsmayhem


To reply to you and Poet...

Sounds like the most logical turn of events....BECAUSE.....

If this kid was running away.....he would have been long gone....how in the world would GZ catch him....no way.

Race and gun control and whatever else the media is selling has everyone so blinded they can't even grasp the physics of the situation.

reply to post by timetothink


OK OK


No one has any video of this incident correct?

No neighbor saw who started the fight correct? Seeing who is winning is not seeing who started it.

If thats the case all they can go on his Zimmerman word that he was in fear of his life by a 140 lb male.


So why the hell did they not investigate it more?


No one knows who initiated the first physical altercation! Do we agree on that?

IF yes then does this not warrant more investigation?


This makes zero sense. If this is the case it would be SO easy to get away with murder. Invite someone you dont like somewhere private. Shoot them and punch yourself in the nose.

Cops show up, officer he punched me i feared for my life and shot him.


Case dropped?

That easily huh? Hmm i had no idea shooting a unarmed individual was sooo easy to get away..

PS Bush who signed the law said Stand your ground doe not apply to this case!!!

reply to post by ker2010


Read the law....

ow somebody away. But Florida’s law is different. Florida has a law, along with 17 states, that says you can stand your ground. Which means you don’t have that obligation to try to run first. So, in Florida, as long as you have a reasonable belief that your life and safety is in danger, you can use force to defend yourself, even deadly force. And now that’s the situation they’re suggesting.

www.mediaite.com...

I don't have time to find the law for you today...do one research on your own.....the law us what it is like it or not.

reply to post by timetothink


So i can say someone slapped me open handed and i felt in danger for my life (cause their is no way to measure that) and shoot them...

hmm nice

reply to post by ker2010[/ii
i do agree hes a lil bitch and just couldnt become a cop or something..but im gonna go to college to be an attorney..so i would be a coward for justifying what was standard ground or self defense?? he was a lil bitch but he wasnt the agressor i dont think he started it but he deff got his ass kicked so he shot in self defense,..a sad story...could be a conspiracy too you know ..divide the people ..take the minds off of things...