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Originally posted by ProudBird
reply to post by pianopraze
You are correct in your assumptions. March 7, times as noted on photos.
Don't know if you saw my edit.....as to the radiosonde date 7 March, @0000Z....that was data from nearly 24 hours before the evening of March 7, in the USA.
I would suggest you look at some aeronautical navigation charts at SKYVECTOR.COM and see what routes are in your areas for normal IFR traffic.
Originally posted by Xtrozero
reply to post by pianopraze
You have already said that aircraft make contrails, and I see 5 or 6 pictures with a few aircraft with contrails. Aircraft fly at different altitudes and so you will get contrails at some altitudes and not others and also going into different air masses. I would suggest you look at some aeronautical navigation charts at SKYVECTOR.COM and see what routes are in your areas for normal IFR traffic. This also doesn't represent VFR traffic that will be below 18,000 ft.
Most of these jets are flying 30,000ft or higher and at 30,000ft the temperature is about 50 below zero. We know that the closer the dew point is to the temperature you will get contrails so if the air up there has any moisture the warmer air from the engines will produce contrails.
One question....how do you know the aircraft with contrails do not show on the radar?
I guess I'm just missing the huge leap from contrails to something else....
Originally posted by Xtrozero
I suggest that last picture is just cloud formation since it would be impossible for a thin contrail to expand so massively in a few short minutes.
Originally posted by ProudBird
reply to post by pianopraze
I am looking at that one chart there.
The pressure level it is depicting is 200 mb. Also, I have visited that website before....it is a forecast only, not a hard-and-fast definitive indicator of "yes/no" contrails.
Your squiggling every which way, but there was no conditions for these contrail formation.
Originally posted by burntheships
Originally posted by Xtrozero
I suggest that last picture is just cloud formation since it would be impossible for a thin contrail to expand so massively in a few short minutes.
And I suggest that is a ridiculous assumption. The photos clearly show contrails expanding.
This is not natural could formation!
The ones making them were not on flight aware. The ones not making them were on flight aware.
Originally posted by pianopraze
Originally posted by Xtrozero
reply to post by pianopraze
There were two types of planes in the air... those making normal contrails, about what the app shows they should have given current conditions. Then there were these others, flying at approximately the same altitude making these huge spreading contrails.
I can tell which ones are on the radar because I know where I was in relation. You can see those flights in the sky not making contrails. The ones making the large spreading contrails were the ones NOT LISTED on flight aware.
The data for 30k shows NO conditions for these contrails either.
Originally posted by Xtrozero
Originally posted by burntheships
Originally posted by Xtrozero
I suggest that last picture is just cloud formation since it would be impossible for a thin contrail to expand so massively in a few short minutes.
And I suggest that is a ridiculous assumption. The photos clearly show contrails expanding.
This is not natural could formation!
Can you not still see the thin contrails still in the pictures? Where are the pictures of the aircraft making those huge super expanding contrails? The OP shows a picture with 2 aircraft and those contrails are still thin and breaking up in the last picture.
Clouds can form very quickly and get that pattern easily. You cannot convince me if there is no picture actually showing aircraft making the huge contrails with the smaller ones still there. That is a huge chunk of the sky and you think aircraft can fill it up in 10 mins, with no actual picture of these super aircraft? I kind of find that a ridiculous assumption.
Originally posted by niceguybob
Well done.
Are you sure your not up here at Lake Tahoe? Because that's how it happens here.
GORGEOUS Blue Skies. You can watch planes flying in all directions leaving a "scoach" of vapor errr contrail.
And then these other goshdarn planes leave trails that last forever and seem to dissipitate across the skyline leaving a goshdarn coating.
Those other goshdarn planes are just leaving contrails too at a certain elevation, but being as dumb as I am, I seem to notice they last a LOT longer in the sky,but I just don't understand science.
You'll NEVER win on ATS with people that want the proof of WHAT they are before you can claim you even see them. This discussion has gone on for over 8 years. As more info comes in it doesn't matter.
Until you have a confirmed source of who is spraying what and why?
They don't exist.
AND If you provided a good source? Bad source, so they don't exist.
Good pics though, you just don't understand the science behind what your looking at. (sneer)
Originally posted by ProudBird
reply to post by pianopraze
Not true:
Your squiggling every which way, but there was no conditions for these contrail formation.
Absolutely not true. I showed you on the Appleman Chart.
Even using the previous nights' radiosonde data....@300 mb it was -51° C, and 16% RH.
Go into the Appleman Chart......along the bottom, find -51° C. Now, go up to the 300 mb level, on the left. Where those two side intersect, is in the range that is labelled "Always contrails".
Period.