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Well, from what I understand, and I may be off here, but Germany had a mutual defense treaty with austria, and so when Ferdinand was assasinated by serbians, and austria declared war with serbia, germany went along with their pact to aid austria. Accepting that germany might have been intentionally escalating the issue.
Then the french, brittain, and others got tied into the war through their mutual protection agreements, and it all became a maelstrom of countries drawn in by treaties.
Originally posted by pexx421
I am trying to do research....sadly, the problem is so much of it is BS. I went to the WWII museum here in new orleans....and it was more like a feel good american propaganda palace. It seems there that we went in to win the war for the rest of the world. No mention of the 20 million russian soldiers who died. No mention of the Japanese concentration camps here in the US. When searching online about WWII, almost all the info is the battles, very little about before the war. Further, most of it seems pretty biased.
The US entry into the war is presented like that of a wounded giant unfairly wronged, when it seems actually that we were already planning to move b-52's into the pacific prior to pearl harbor. Thats forgetting the fact that many US groups (including the Bush family) seem to have been supplying the nazi's even after war was declared.
Also little mention of the fact that the western powers engaged in much more brutal civilian targeted campaigns, such as in Dresden, than the germans did. Its all a lot to take in, and there are so many conflicting sources....I come here for differing voices, because thats what ats is! If i was truly just looking for someone to agree with me, I would have told my girlfriend.
America invested as little as possible and exploited the situation to the fullest.
Originally posted by ZeroKnowledge
reply to post by theubermensch
America invested as little as possible and exploited the situation to the fullest.
And this isn't winning? America gained the most after WW2, followed by Soviet Union. But Soviet Union endured and suffered much more.
Winner is not who suffers the most though.
One of Hitlers favourite subjects was History. He said in Mein Kampf that boring dates are not impotant,that the stuff between the lines is what is important. Maybe you are reading between different lines.
I would suggest Mein Kampf would be a good place to start. Hitler's perspective on Germany after WW1 is important.
Originally posted by DJW001
reply to post by theubermensch
One of Hitlers favourite subjects was History. He said in Mein Kampf that boring dates are not impotant,that the stuff between the lines is what is important. Maybe you are reading between different lines.
I would suggest Mein Kampf would be a good place to start. Hitler's perspective on Germany after WW1 is important.
"Mein Kampf," which means "My Struggle," is a perfect example of the psychological confusion endemic in the tortured German soul. Rather than look at history as a series of mutually influencing events taking place along an objectively verifiable timeline, it takes a series of highly personal experiences and attempts to weave them into a Manichean narrative of national destiny. I would recommend reading it after first grounding yourself in more objective histories.
They will swoop in at the right time and steal all the glory. They will be the next ones to write history.
And you suggest that the best place to start is to read a book written by the daughter of a banker?? A banker You are pretty funny
Originally posted by DJW001
reply to post by theubermensch
And you suggest that the best place to start is to read a book written by the daughter of a banker?? A banker You are pretty funny
Not as funny as you are for recommending he start with a book written by a man who wanted to see his country end in a Wagnerian Ragnarok.
On March 15th 1938, Hitler entered Vienna in triumph. The pleasure of the huge crowds was difficult to disguise. It is said that even Hitler was surprised by the size of the crowds and by the cheering. Austria became part of the German Greater Reich; Schuschnigg was arrested and imprisoned and almost immediately the Austrian Jews lost their rights
Germany lost a lot of land to countries that surrounded them. France, Belgium, Denmark, Czechoslovakia and Poland. All of the land lost, Hitler wanted to get back. The League of Nations also took control of Germany's overseas colonies.
Originally posted by mayabong
Originally posted by NeverSleepingEyes
Originally posted by mayabong
Originally posted by DJW001
The Jewish declaration of war on Germany didn't help those feelings either
do you have sources for this act?
Would love to learn more
www.wintersonnenwende.com...
It's also on Wikipedia and the Jews against zionism website
while i sincerely thank you for the effort and the suggestions, i refrain from using this information, after researching the sources a little bit.
the article you refer to is a reprint of a story published by The Barnes Review, so i took a closer look at that website. First thing i want to know when reading stuff on a website is who's running the place. The "about us"-section shows a Personal Letter by the editor, Willis A. Carto. So I googled to see who that editor might be. What i found made me decide not to waste my time with this person. i know we should be careful with taking for granted what's on wikipedia, but i assume that if the following were false, it would have been corrected.
Willis Allison Carto (July 17, 1926) is a longtime figure on the American far right. He describes himself as Jeffersonian and populist, but is primarily known for his promotion of antisemitic conspiracy theories and Holocaust denial.[1]
wikipedia.org/wiki/Willis_Carto
I'm interested in history, not in right-wing propaganda.