Sheriff Joe's posse: 'Probable cause' Obama Birth Certificate a Fraud-now a Criminal Case!

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posted on Mar, 28 2012 @ 04:35 AM
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Originally posted by spoor
Birthers do not realise how silly they show themselves to be, birth certificates issued and certified by the state of hawaii are frauds whilst one "obtained" from Kenya is the real deal....

YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT ABOUT THAT THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE FROM KENYA (as shown by Lucas D. Smith) is the REAL DEAL...



especially as Obama's mother was not in Kenya when Obama was born....

Oh yeah, Obama's mother was in Kenya while Obama was born there
www.abovetopsecret.com... www.mediacircus.com...


Berg cited a number of unanswered questions regarding the Illinois senator’s background, and in today’s lawsuit maintained that Sen. Obama is NOT a natural born U.S. citizen or that, if he ever was, he lost his citizenship when he was adopted in Indonesia. Berg also cites what he calls ‘dual loyalties’ due to his citizenship and ties with Kenya and Indonesia.

Even if Sen. Obama can prove his U.S. citizenship, Berg stated, citing the senator’s use of a birth certificate from the state of Hawaii verified as a FORGERY by three independent document forensic experts, the issue of ‘multi-citizenship with responsibilities owed to and allegiance to other countries’ remains on the table.

In the lawsuit, Berg states that Sen. Obama was born in Kenya, and NOT in Hawaii as the senator maintains. Before giving birth, according to the lawsuit, Obama’s mother traveled to Kenya with his father but was PREVENTED from flying back to Hawaii because of the late stage of her pregnancy, ‘apparently a normal restriction to avoid births during a flight.’ As Sen. Obama’s own paternal grandmother, half-brother and half-sister have also claimed, Berg maintains that Stanley Ann Dunham–Obama’s mother–gave birth to little Barack in Kenya and subsequently flew to Hawaii to register the birth.

Should Sen. Obama truly have been born in Kenya, Berg writes, the laws on the books at the time of his birth hold that U.S. citizenship may only pass to a child born overseas to a U.S. citizen parent and non-citizen parent if the former was at least 19 years of age. Sen. Obama’s mother was only 18 at the time. Therefore, because U.S. citizenship could NOT legally be passed on to him, Obama could NOT be registered as a ‘natural born’ citizen and would therefore be ineligible to seek the presidency pursuant to Article II, Section 1 of the United States Constitution.

Moreover, even if Sen. Obama could have somehow been deemed ‘natural born,’ that citizenship was lost in or around 1967 when he and his mother took up residency in Indonesia, where Stanley Ann Dunham married Lolo Soetoro, an Indonesian citizen. Berg also states that he possesses copies of Sen. Obama’s registration to Fransiskus Assisi School In Jakarta, Indonesia which clearly show that he was registered under the name ‘Barry Soetoro’ and his citizenship listed as Indonesian.

The Hawaiian birth certificate, Berg says, is a forgery. In the suit, the attorney states that the birth certificate on record is a forgery, has been identified as such by three independent document forensic experts, and actually belonged to Maya Kasandra Soetoro, Sen. Obama’s half-sister.




posted on Mar, 28 2012 @ 05:02 AM
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Originally posted by Anunaki10
Berg cited a number of unanswered questions regarding the Illinois senator’s background, and in today’s lawsuit maintained that Sen. Obama is NOT a natural born U.S. citizen or that, if he ever was, he lost his citizenship when he was adopted in Indonesia.


That would be the lawsuit that Berg lost , as he had zero evidence for his silly claims....



posted on Mar, 28 2012 @ 02:06 PM
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it all goes back to the beginning,in order to believe the birthers, you must believe that obama was born in kenya. Do you have any idea what it would take to do that back then??

here are 2 links, showing which way they would have had to go, the routes

airchive.com...

airchive.com...

here is the miles , of course they would have to get from hawaii to Los Angeles first

Honolulu Hawaii to Los Angeles California: 2558 miles
Los Angeles California to New York, New York: 2444 miles
New York, New York to Gander Bay Canada: 1116 miles
Gander Bay Canada to London England: 2344 miles
London England to Cairo Egypt: 2180 miles
Cairo Egypt to Nairobi Kenya: 2194 miles
Total Distance: 12,836 miles

Here is the cost: Assuming that Barack Sr and Anna got a free 2558 mile canoe ride from Honolulu to Los Angeles, this brings the total cost of our round-trip fares from Hawaii to Nairobi and back to an underestimated cost of $958.00 for one person and $1,916.00 for two tickets. Adjusting for inflation, $1,916.00 in 1961 would be equivalent to $13,000.00 in 2005.

they were living on student grants, how could they afford this? you do realize that it would have taken AT LEAST 2 AIRLINES and 3 days to get there (change overs and refueling).

She just took a 3 day at least 2 different airlines trip to a country she had never been to, and had her baby in a hospital she had never been to, a very primitive one at that, surrounded by unknwon medical staff to deliver her baby?

where is the common sense, where is the logic?, where is the deductive thinking??? this is so far fetched when you look at the FACTS^ I provided from the airline industry.

I guess they will not build an Obama presidental library because they will not have anything to put in it,according to you birthers , no one knows him, no pics , he has blocked everthing,

someone posted there is proof she went to kenya then, I noticed they didn't post any facts of proof in their post, I want to see THE PROOF they claim.



posted on Mar, 28 2012 @ 06:34 PM
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Originally posted by spoor
That would be the lawsuit that Berg lost

en.wikipedia.org...


Berg v. Obama

On August 21, 2008, Pennsylvania attorney Philip J. Berg, a Democrat and former deputy state attorney general, filed a complaint alleging that Obama was born in Kenya, not Hawaii, and was therefore a citizen of Kenya or possibly Indonesia, where he lived as a child. He alleged that the "Certification of Live Birth" on Obama's website is a forgery. U.S. District Judge R. Barclay Surrick dismissed the complaint in October 2008, finding that Berg lacked standing to bring the case and that his attempts to gain standing to pursue his claim were "frivolous and not worthy of discussion."

Bypassing the United States Court of Appeals for the Third Circuit, Berg filed a petition for a writ of certiorari before judgment in the United States Supreme Court. On December 10, 2008, the Supreme Court denied Berg's request for an injunction against the seating of the Electoral College, scheduled for December 15. On December 15, 2008, the petitioner refiled the application for injunction. Two days later, Berg's appeal was denied without comment by Supreme Court Justice Anthony Kennedy. Berg's previously denied request for an injunction was refiled with Justice Antonin Scalia on December 18, 2008. On January 12, the Supreme Court denied the petition for certiorari. The application for stay addressed to Justice Scalia and referred to the Court was also summarily denied on January 21, 2009.

On November 12, 2009, the United States Court of Appeals for the Third Circuit affirmed the district court's ruling that Berg lacked standing.

Essek v. Obama

Daniel John Essek of Witney County Kentucky filed a pro se federal lawsuit in the Kentucky Eastern District Court on November 25, 2008. The suit was originally filed as a Freedom of Information Act case, but was amended to a judicial challenge to Obama's qualifications for the Office of President of the United States. Essek sought to prevent the inauguration of Barack Obama on the grounds that Obama was not a "natural born citizen" based on allegations that Obama was born in Kenya. District Judge Gregory F. Van Tatenhove dismissed the suit because of a lack of subject matter jurisdiction, stating that Mr. Essek's grievance was the generalized grievance of a voter, not a specific injury that would have granted him standing to sue.

Kerchner v. Obama

Attorney Mario Apuzzo, on behalf of Charles Kerchner and other plaintiffs, sued Obama, the U.S. Congress, Dick Cheney, and Nancy Pelosi in January 2009 alleging Obama was ineligible to be president, and that Congress failed to verify Obama's eligibility. A federal district court in New Jersey dismissed the suit, ruling the plaintiffs lacked standing. On July 3, 2010, the United States Court of Appeals for the Third Circuit, citing Berg v. Obama, affirmed the dismissal, and ordered Apuzzo to show cause why he should not be sanctioned for initiating a frivolous lawsuit. Apuzzo's subsequent request for a hearing was denied, but the order to show cause was discharged. On November 29, 2010, the U.S. Supreme Court declined, without comment, to hear the case.

Sibley v. Obama

Montgomery Sibley, a disbarred lawyer who once represented Deborah Jeane Palfrey (the so-called "D.C. Madam"), sued Obama in January 2012, alleging that he is not a natural-born citizen and that his birth certificate is a forgery.

citizenwells.wordpress.com... ent-standing-challenged/


(Lafayette Hill, Pennsylvania – 10/25/08) – Philip J. Berg, Esquire, the Attorney who filed suit against Barack H. Obama challenging Senator Obama’s lack of “qualifications” to serve as President of the United States, announced today that he is immediately appealing the dismissal of his case to the United States Supreme Court. The case is Berg v. Obama, No. 08-cv-04083.

Berg said, >>I am totally disappointed by Judge Surrick’s decision and, for all citizens of the United States, I am immediately appealing to the U.S. Supreme Court. This is a question of who has standing to uphold our Constitution. If I don’t have standing, if you don’t have standing, if your neighbor doesn’t have standing to question the eligibility of an individual to be President of the United States – the Commander-in-Chief, the most powerful person in the world – then who does? So, anyone can just claim to be eligible for congress or the presidency without having their legal status, age or citizenship questionedMy office was broken into about 6 months ago. The file cabinets - it was obvious they had been rifled through. Files were stolen. Files dealing with this particular case and particularly with the documents I had regarding the fact that the - some of these hijackers, at least some of them were on the payroll of the U.S. government as undercover FBI, CIA, double agents. They are spying on Arab groups in the U.S. And, in effect, all this led up to the effect that al Qaeda is a creation of the George Bush administration, basically. That the entity that he called al Qaeda is directly linked to George Bush. And all this stuff was stolen. Fortunately, I had copies. But this was just part of the harassment. The FBI has also been harassing some of my assistants and has planted a spy in our midst. And it is just outrageous that these Nazi tactics are being used - and the obstruction of justice, these people are criminals. And that's what's happening under the tremendous pressure here to just drop it. Or to shut up now and just go away



posted on Jul, 2 2012 @ 02:23 AM
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Who steals some Kenyan kids birth certificate, who just happens to become president 46 years later?



posted on Jul, 2 2012 @ 02:02 PM
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Originally posted by VeritasAequitas
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Who steals some Kenyan kids birth certificate, who just happens to become president 46 years later?


Sush! Don't bring in facts and common sense! Can't you see that they're dribbling?



posted on Jul, 11 2012 @ 12:25 AM
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Originally posted by anon72Obama could easily rectify this by signing the hospital release forms.



WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSH
That is the sound of goalposts being moved at breakneck speed.


Tell me, what do you demand next, after he releases the hospital release forms?



posted on Jul, 11 2012 @ 02:03 PM
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Originally posted by wirehead

Originally posted by anon72Obama could easily rectify this by signing the hospital release forms.



WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSH
That is the sound of goalposts being moved at breakneck speed.


Tell me, what do you demand next, after he releases the hospital release forms?


Probably the names of his school friends and types of cooties they had?





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