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reply posted on 20-3-2012 @ 05:35 PM by AngryCymraeg
Originally posted by drgrantdiz

The stimulous in principle I did not have a problem with, the reults I did. according to what I've read (and feel freee to correct me if I am wrong) the stimulous did create 2 million jobs which alone looks good; but the total cost of the program was $814 billion dollars which would mean an average cost of $400,000 a job. So assuming that every single job would last it was still a very very expensive way to generate jobs.

there have been other examples in history of a stimulous that worked better then our own, so yes if the data I have researched is correct I would say that it was bad for the USA as a whole and good for the individual citizen who landed a job (though the cost will eventually catch back up with said citizen)

what are your views?


It literally had to be done. The depth of the hole that the US economy was dropping into meant that the stimulus was vitally important. The problem with the way that it worked however is that it I don't think that anyone could have realised the way that credit dried up like spit on a red-hot frying pan. Normally a stimulus, well, stimulates the economy, like a shot of vitamins in the arm. The problem is that when the blood is running sluggishly (if at all) through that arm, the stimulus doesn't quite have the power that it should have.
The CDO/CDS mess had a horrific impact on the credit markets and the irony is that if Lehman had been included in the bailouts it might have been a little less bad than it was.



reply posted on 20-3-2012 @ 05:56 PM by drgrantdiz
Originally posted by AngryCymraeg
Originally posted by drgrantdiz

The stimulous in principle I did not have a problem with, the reults I did. according to what I've read (and feel freee to correct me if I am wrong) the stimulous did create 2 million jobs which alone looks good; but the total cost of the program was $814 billion dollars which would mean an average cost of $400,000 a job. So assuming that every single job would last it was still a very very expensive way to generate jobs.

there have been other examples in history of a stimulous that worked better then our own, so yes if the data I have researched is correct I would say that it was bad for the USA as a whole and good for the individual citizen who landed a job (though the cost will eventually catch back up with said citizen)

what are your views?


It literally had to be done. The depth of the hole that the US economy was dropping into meant that the stimulus was vitally important. The problem with the way that it worked however is that it I don't think that anyone could have realised the way that credit dried up like spit on a red-hot frying pan. Normally a stimulus, well, stimulates the economy, like a shot of vitamins in the arm. The problem is that when the blood is running sluggishly (if at all) through that arm, the stimulus doesn't quite have the power that it should have.
The CDO/CDS mess had a horrific impact on the credit markets and the irony is that if Lehman had been included in the bailouts it might have been a little less bad than it was.


What in yoru opinion would be a good step forward for our country at this point?


reply posted on 21-3-2012 @ 11:57 AM by anon72
reply to post by AngryCymraeg



Just how long do you think we can substain paying for entitlements. We already borrow 2 dollars to every dollar spent on other things (military, gov't running etc).

fact of the matter is the Gov't has been giving WAY to much away over the last 40/50 years and the time has come to pay up. We can't.

Not without something more like the Ryan plan-cutting and paying down the debt. As to Obama's uncontrolled spending and getting the country deeper in debt..... I dare say he is being treasonous.... dare I?

Again, I ask... and still no one answers.....

If one set out to destroy America what would they do differently than what Obama and his administration has done and/or doing?


reply posted on 21-3-2012 @ 12:10 PM by AGWskeptic
Originally posted by anon72
reply to
post by AngryCymraeg



Just how long do you think we can substain paying for entitlements. We already borrow 2 dollars to every dollar spent on other things (military, gov't running etc).

fact of the matter is the Gov't has been giving WAY to much away over the last 40/50 years and the time has come to pay up. We can't.

Not without something more like the Ryan plan-cutting and paying down the debt. As to Obama's uncontrolled spending and getting the country deeper in debt..... I dare say he is being treasonous.... dare I?

Again, I ask... and still no one answers.....

If one set out to destroy America what would they do differently than what Obama and his administration has done and/or doing?





Actually we borrow about 41 cents of each dollar spent by the feds, will be up to 43 or 44 cents by the end of Barry's term.



If you call a plumber because you have sewage up to your basement ceiling, do you pump it out?

Or do you just raise the ceiling?


I'm pretty much of the belief that ObamaCo is doing this on purpose also. It's the only explanation that makes sense when you look at the big picture.
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reply posted on 22-3-2012 @ 02:53 PM by AngryCymraeg
Originally posted by anon72
reply to
post by AngryCymraeg



Just how long do you think we can substain paying for entitlements. We already borrow 2 dollars to every dollar spent on other things (military, gov't running etc).

fact of the matter is the Gov't has been giving WAY to much away over the last 40/50 years and the time has come to pay up. We can't.

Not without something more like the Ryan plan-cutting and paying down the debt. As to Obama's uncontrolled spending and getting the country deeper in debt..... I dare say he is being treasonous.... dare I?

Again, I ask... and still no one answers.....

If one set out to destroy America what would they do differently than what Obama and his administration has done and/or doing?





Well, if you're talking about the debt you might want to have a look at the hideous damage that certain Mr Reagan did. I dare say that he was being treasonous as well, by such a yardstick.


reply posted on 22-3-2012 @ 03:38 PM by xuenchen
reply to post by AngryCymraeg



Well, if you're talking about the debt you might want to have a look at the hideous damage that certain Mr Reagan did. I dare say that he was being treasonous as well, by such a yardstick.


Hmmm.

Got any verified fact sheets on this speculation ?


reply posted on 22-3-2012 @ 10:00 PM by LErickson
Originally posted by xuenchen
reply to
post by AngryCymraeg



Well, if you're talking about the debt you might want to have a look at the hideous damage that certain Mr Reagan did. I dare say that he was being treasonous as well, by such a yardstick.


Hmmm.

Got any verified fact sheets on this speculation ?



You do not know if you can find out for yourself what Reagan did to the debt? I find that odd coming from someone that told me I needed to learn to use google. Reagan is not some obscure cultural reference. He was president and records are kept of things like what he did to the debt.


reply posted on 25-3-2012 @ 11:02 AM by Watts
Originally posted by MountainLaurel
Originally posted by Watts
How come nobody asks the uncomfortable but realistic question, Why would a government dominated by wealthy white people conspire, from birth, to get a random black man in office? It goes against everything we know but pretend to be ignorant of in this country. Racism isn't dead, just look at the majority of Republicans.

Why would a group go to such great lengths to get Obama in office at any cost? What is the motive? What is there to gain?


Actually this is a very good question, and these are some possible reasons I have considered.

1. If a NWO has been planned, and is being carried out as many of us believe, then having a sitting president who is Black and possibly not even eligible to be President might work out quite nicely for them, it cetainly takes some "heat" off them.

2. Classic divide and conquer, flame racism, and if I was black this would especially "piss" me off. We need to call a duck a duck, the color of the duck is meaningless, and I can only hope that our fellow black American citizens will see past color and question wether Obama has really given us the "Change" we all hoped he would when people unified to elect him from many races. That same spirit needs to be used again to vote him out, and I say Ron Paul is our best hope, and if you listen to Paul speak on behalf of the injustice still being shown to blacks in the legal system I would say he cares more about black people than Obama.

3. It sucks our first black president turned out to be just another puppet who sold us out, but heck, we've had plenty of white ones who did, maybe that shows there's less racism then the MSM would have us all believe? "United we stand, divided we Fall"
edit on 4-3-2012 by MountainLaurel because: spelling



Ahhh divide and conquer, very good point, I hadn't considered that.



reply posted on 25-3-2012 @ 10:19 PM by earthship35
These so called Americans who just know for a fact the obummer was born here scares the crap out of me.I mean come on,all the evidence that has been brought up all the testimony from very reputable people.I personally believe that most of the people claiming this is all bs and made up by racists are more than likely from a multitude of 3 letter agencies who have the job of throwing wrenches into the gears of truth.Because no one can be that narrowminded and just know that everything bo says is the gospel.Lets stop arguing with the pigs caus all we are doing is iritating the pigs and wasting our time.BTW i voted for Obama and thought he would be our countries salvation.I have never been into conspiracy in govt till him and now i am neckdeep into it.The people leading this disinfo campaign will be found and dealt with according to our laws..PLEASE realize you are not helping but hurting our country..check this out..Subject: Have

You Noticed?



FLAG IS

GONE. Have You Noticed?



For

a long time, we have noticed that the decor at the White House

has
changed since BHO moved in.

The

Oval Office is now stripped of the traditional red, white, and

blue,
and replaced with middle eastern wallpaper, drapes, and

decor..
The hallway that he walks out of to talk to the press

now has middle eastern
chairs, drapes, etc. And the thing that has

bothered me the most is the bright
yellow drape behind him every time

he speaks from the white house.
It has Arabic symbols on it and

has been there from the beginning.

Today I received this and it clearly shows

what I have been noticing.
That bright yellow curtain is highly

visible, but as you scroll down,
you will see what is predominantly

absent. Also, as you look at
the pictures of other presidents

speaking from the same spot, look
at the

traditional 'American' background and decor as opposed to
the new

decor. Trust me when I say that this is intentional. It

should
alarm every American.

What

is missing at Barack

Hussein Obama's press

conference?
No it is not

the teleprompters. See the other presidents pics for a

clue.

BARACK

HUSSEIN OBAMA

GEORGE

WALKER BUSH

WILLIAM JEFFERSON BLYTHE CLINTON

GEORGE HERBERT WALKER BUSH

RONALD WILSON

REAGAN

That's

right...no American

flags!!!


Vote

in November like your way of life depends on it!
Because

it does!!!!!


reply posted on 27-3-2012 @ 05:11 PM by Anunaki10
Originally posted by Azadok
Actually their has been a birth certificate produced saying he was born in Kenya and also evidence of his mother traveling by plane four days later to Hawaii .

To me all this is moot , his long form clearly indicates his father is a citizen of Kenya therefore making him unable according to our constitution to be president , the criminal activity that took place to get this man into office is what needs to be exposed .

This being said who wanted him in this office and for what reasons knowing his birth right and other issues with school records and school loans that indicate ( only by hear say at this point ) that he registered as an alien student to acquire certain low interest school loans .

The whole issue stinks and in my opinion Obama is the small fish in this operation which more likely than not involves the new world order and their plan for a one world government . America has always been the perennial thorn in their side because of our love and sense of freedom.

www.abovetopsecret.com... "Pleiadian contactee" Colleen Thomas was interviewed on TV, and she explained >>Obama tried to start a war with Iran, the Pleiadians downed the Missile harmlessly at sea and then, last night from San Diego the Government tried to fire another ICBM at the Pleiadians this time, but the Pleiadian ships are able to change density and do all kinds of things that these guys on this planet have never imagined, and a rocket could pass right through them and not harm them, plus they could outrun it too, if they wanted to just get out of the way, but it's kinda silly to think that we can take on a race that's been around for many many many millions of eons longer than the Reptilians<<.

It is purported that Obama and McCain visited Bohemian Grove in July of 2008. Many top leaders reportedly participate at Bohemian Grove, Yeah, freaking Bohemian Grove
Lots of people claim to have witnessed Politicians and other famous people shapeshift into Reptilian beings, Zulu Shaman Credo Mutwa explained that Reptilian beings hypnoticed African politicians and took over their bodies, and it's specultated that the same thing happened to American politicians. Draconian Reptilians reportedly arrived to Earth about 800000 years ago, and they are reportedly behind New World Order, the many wars, reportedly behind 911, and David Icke said >>Presidents are not elected by Ballot, they are selected by Blood<<.

New World Order, Faction three - the Alien agenda

When President Bush used the Gulf War 1 in 1991 to announce The New World Order, most people did not really know what he was talking about. Unity? Peace? Not a bad thing. But 'good will toward men' is not what he was talking about. His cunning grin, sleight of speech, and the usual political jargon and games played at the public's expense was going to be nothing more than the demise of the people he was claiming to bring peace to in this New World Order.

The New World Order is in itself a vast conspiracy of old bloodline families. The wealthy, the famous, the corporate elite, the United Nations, and the Secret Societies. Broken up into two factions better known as the Rothschild and the Rockefeller factions, it consists of double agents. Members switching factions, lies, betrayal, murder and general mayhem are the status quo among these who fight to gain control of the once secret hidden agenda to unite the world under a one global government to be ruled by one man. The winner gets all. The various countries of the world have agreed upon the plan, but no one seems to agree as to whom gets to rule it.

Watching it all from their aircraft and bases, infiltrations of government jobs, appointments, cabinets, Congress, the Pentagon, and even the White House, have been the subtle, yet consistent presence of aliens in our midst.

They are everywhere. And they are watching. From sabotaging missiles as they sit in silos to taking out a satellite or a rover here and there, they are eavesdropping on military bases, hanging out outside The White House, and even your house and mine. They are in the sky; they are on the ground, and they are infiltrating society as hybrids. The aliens aren't coming. They are here.

There are many, many different races of these fallen angels. There were separate planets and nations of them before the fall. After the fall, multitudes were imprisoned inside the hollow cavities of their respective planets, while others were allowed to roam free. These are the ones we are dealing with today.

While factions of alien groups have been busy with breeding programs, others have been busy infiltrating our governments and secret societies. The Reptilians are the most notorious and well known among the bloodline families, who, after all, have their bloodlines linked directly to them

These bloodline families are so protective of their lines that they even insist on intermarriage only simply because through their DNA, they can activate it to become hosts of Reptilians. Through this specific DNA, secret rituals, and blood drinking, those with this DNA can then invite and host a reptilian to possess them. This allows for shape-shifting. It also gives the Reptilians control of human bodies to work out of, from, and through. Human one minute, a Reptilian the next. A tall, scaled, lizard-type being. Think it's too far fetched to be true? I bet you've heard of werewolves. It's the same type of shape-shifting, only by Lizards. And yes, it happens.

George W. Bush Jr. even admitted that Bush Jr. himself is a member of freaking Skull and Bones on TV for all to see, also known as Secret Societies, and JFK did blow the whistle on the Secret Societies when he made a speech about it. Amazing informations even shows that Prescott Bush financed Hitler's war campaign.

This video clip below shows Police Officer Clint Grimes, and Lucas D. Smith being interviewed, they're showing what looks like Obama's Birth Certificate from Kenya, Lucas D. Smith claim he went to Kenya to get in February, 2009 as he says proving Obama was born there



www.wnd.com...

No doubt your agency has established procedures for investigating probable cause suspicions when a Selective Service Registration card has been forged,” Arpaio writes.

Arpaio’s investigators concluded that Obama’s Selective Service registration card fit into what was becoming a common narrative for his life: The document was not only forged, it was poorly forged.





www.mediacircus.com...

Berg cited a number of unanswered questions regarding the Illinois senator’s background, and in today’s lawsuit maintained that Sen. Obama is not a natural born U.S. citizen or that, if he ever was, he lost his citizenship when he was adopted in Indonesia. Berg also cites what he calls ‘dual loyalties’ due to his citizenship and ties with Kenya and Indonesia.

Even if Sen. Obama can prove his U.S. citizenship, Berg stated, citing the senator’s use of a birth certificate from the state of Hawaii verified as a FORGERY by three independent document forensic experts, the issue of ‘multi-citizenship with responsibilities owed to and allegiance to other countries’ remains on the table.

In the lawsuit, Berg states that Sen. Obama was born in Kenya, and NOT in Hawaii as the senator maintains. Before giving birth, according to the lawsuit, Obama’s mother traveled to Kenya with his father but was PREVENTED from flying back to Hawaii because of the late stage of her pregnancy, ‘apparently a normal restriction to avoid births during a flight.’ As Sen. Obama’s own paternal grandmother, half-brother and half-sister have also claimed, Berg maintains that Stanley Ann Dunham–Obama’s mother–gave birth to little Barack in Kenya and subsequently flew to Hawaii to register the birth.

Should Sen. Obama truly have been born in Kenya, Berg writes, the laws on the books at the time of his birth hold that U.S. citizenship may only pass to a child born overseas to a U.S. citizen parent and non-citizen parent if the former was at least 19 years of age. Sen. Obama’s mother was only 18 at the time. Therefore, because U.S. citizenship could NOT legally be passed on to him, Obama could NOT be registered as a ‘natural born’ citizen and would therefore be ineligible to seek the presidency pursuant to Article II, Section 1 of the United States Constitution.

Moreover, even if Sen. Obama could have somehow been deemed ‘natural born,’ that citizenship was lost in or around 1967 when he and his mother took up residency in Indonesia, where Stanley Ann Dunham married Lolo Soetoro, an Indonesian citizen. Berg also states that he possesses copies of Sen. Obama’s registration to Fransiskus Assisi School In Jakarta, Indonesia which clearly show that he was registered under the name ‘Barry Soetoro’ and his citizenship listed as Indonesian.

The Hawaiian birth certificate, Berg says, is a forgery. In the suit, the attorney states that the birth certificate on record is a forgery, has been identified as such by three independent document forensic experts, and actually belonged to Maya Kasandra Soetoro, Sen. Obama’s half-sister.
edit on 27-3-2012 by Anunaki10 because: (no reason given)



reply posted on 27-3-2012 @ 05:21 PM by bknapple32
Originally posted by earthship35
These so called Americans who just know for a fact the obummer was born here scares the crap out of me.I mean come on,all the evidence that has been brought up all the testimony from very reputable people.I personally believe that most of the people claiming this is all bs and made up by racists are more than likely from a multitude of 3 letter agencies who have the job of throwing wrenches into the gears of truth.Because no one can be that narrowminded and just know that everything bo says is the gospel.Lets stop arguing with the pigs caus all we are doing is iritating the pigs and wasting our time.BTW i voted for Obama and thought he would be our countries salvation.I have never been into conspiracy in govt till him and now i am neckdeep into it.The people leading this disinfo campaign will be found and dealt with according to our laws..PLEASE realize you are not helping but hurting our country..check this out..Subject: Have

You Noticed?



FLAG IS

GONE. Have You Noticed?



For

a long time, we have noticed that the decor at the White House

has
changed since BHO moved in.

The

Oval Office is now stripped of the traditional red, white, and

blue,
and replaced with middle eastern wallpaper, drapes, and

decor..
The hallway that he walks out of to talk to the press

now has middle eastern
chairs, drapes, etc. And the thing that has

bothered me the most is the bright
yellow drape behind him every time

he speaks from the white house.
It has Arabic symbols on it and

has been there from the beginning.

Today I received this and it clearly shows

what I have been noticing.
That bright yellow curtain is highly

visible, but as you scroll down,
you will see what is predominantly

absent. Also, as you look at
the pictures of other presidents

speaking from the same spot, look
at the

traditional 'American' background and decor as opposed to
the new

decor. Trust me when I say that this is intentional. It

should
alarm every American.

What

is missing at Barack

Hussein Obama's press

conference?
No it is not

the teleprompters. See the other presidents pics for a

clue.

BARACK

HUSSEIN OBAMA

GEORGE

WALKER BUSH

WILLIAM JEFFERSON BLYTHE CLINTON

GEORGE HERBERT WALKER BUSH

RONALD WILSON

REAGAN

That's

right...no American

flags!!!


Vote

in November like your way of life depends on it!
Because

it does!!!!!



what in the world was that drivel all about? Someone want to explain??


reply posted on 27-3-2012 @ 05:42 PM by bknapple32
reply to post by babybunnies



Exactly. And its been outed that these guys signed a book deal about their findings the first day they began investigating... Its just a money making scheme
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