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posted on Feb, 28 2012 @ 11:06 AM
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No, it is not.
You get Medical Benefits if you retire, after a minimum of 20 years. Or, you get medical treatment if you are disabled due to injuries incurred while serving.

Nice try though.

And additionally, the military Member PAYS taxes as well.
So again, nice try but no Cigar.
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posted on Feb, 28 2012 @ 11:14 AM
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What a novel idea!! Lets take medical benefits away from those who risk their lives by serving this country, and piss it away on the deadbeats. They've done so much to earn free healthcare... but active and retired military, not so much.
How delusional can people be?!?!



posted on Feb, 28 2012 @ 11:23 AM
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But, surely if Ron Paul closes all foreign bases and brings America soldiers home there are going to be a lot of soldiers out of work looking for a Job with no Healthcare benefits.



posted on Feb, 28 2012 @ 11:44 AM
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Originally posted by macman
reply to post by TinkerHaus
 


No, it is not.
You get Medical Benefits if you retire, after a minimum of 20 years. Or, you get medical treatment if you are disabled due to injuries incurred while serving.

Nice try though.

And additionally, the military Member PAYS taxes as well.
So again, nice try but no Cigar.
edit on 28-2-2012 by macman because: (no reason given)


I think you should go back and re-read my post.

I said there are occasions where military get tax free income (deployment). I realize that you do pay taxes when you're not deployed.

TriCare exists for military who have not served 20 years. It is a highly subsidized health care plan. It costs about 1/7th of what the average non military person in the US pays for healthcare.

In the past I have also clearly stated that I believe those injured in the line of duty should be taken care of. I still have a moral dilemma with this, because I didn't ask you to join the army and I didn't ask the army to go to war. Somehow I STILL end up paying for these injured troops, but if I (the taxpayer) am the only one willing to do it, then so be it.

And I realize by definition it's NOT socialism, but in some very real ways it is.

You are asking people who had no say in your decision to enlist, no say in whether or not we go to war, no say in the way our "defense" budget is spent, to pay for your healthcare, for a choice YOU MADE.

If this isn't the very thing about socialism everyone hates, then what is? I thought you hated socialism because you champion PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY. Well I'm not responsible for your choice to join the army, I'm not responsible for the injuries you received, and I'm not responsible for your healthcare.

Thank you, drive through.



posted on Feb, 28 2012 @ 11:53 AM
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Tricare is what is used for Family members of the active military member.

There is no Veteran based discount health care.

You have Health Care for the member and immediate Family while active duty, Health Care for retired member and spouse and then Health Treatment for disabled vets.


So......................again.......................It is not Socialism.



posted on Feb, 28 2012 @ 12:03 PM
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My brother is a combat veteran. He and his family are on TriCare. We've had discussions and he pays about $500 a year to insure himself and his entire family. I might have some of the names wrong but the numbers are correct.

My brother agrees with me that it is unfair that he gets such highly subsidized healthcare while I pay out the ass. I am college educated, he is not. I pay a lot more in taxes too, based on income. He is willing to pay more but ultimately he believes in a single payer option like I do.



posted on Feb, 28 2012 @ 12:14 PM
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If you don't make a lot of money, you can get free healthcare with the VA.

www.va.gov...

If you do make a lot of money, stop crying and pay your fair share.



posted on Feb, 28 2012 @ 12:19 PM
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The military is quickly becoming Obama's bottomless piggy bank with which to fund his other ventures i.e. Obamacare etc. which are currently unfunded.

Quite interesting. Slash the military by 500,000 troops, slash their benefits, spend the money elsewhere and we are still deeper in the deficit hole. This latest development will also serve to hurt any recruiting efforts as well. How convenient!! Our troops don't exactly earn the types of paychecks that are earned in the greater DC area.

Obama should have forced Congress into the Obamacare chasm instead. They made the bed...



posted on Feb, 28 2012 @ 12:27 PM
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Are you part of the Barry's truth army trying to win support?



I feel that free/cheap health care is essential to keeping the military well and happy. It is one of the few the US government has done right. Cutting health care for active duty hurts the military readiness, cutting it for retirees and dependents hurts the troop moral and makes putting in 20 years much less inviting.



posted on Feb, 28 2012 @ 12:49 PM
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Is he an active duty Military member?



posted on Feb, 28 2012 @ 01:02 PM
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Originally posted by TinkerHaus
If you don't make a lot of money, you can get free healthcare with the VA.

www.va.gov...

If you do make a lot of money, stop crying and pay your fair share.



It is a TIER system, that basically operates like Medicare.
More for the Disabled veteran, under 50%.
The non Combat Vet can be denied and/or have to pay higher rates.
Big deal.
So, either the Vet goes there, where the funds are allocated to the VA, or they go to Medicare/Medicade where the funds are allocated from the General Funds pool.
Service is only at VA Medical Centers.
This is not operated by Tricare.
Combat Veterans have special status at the VA Medical Centers as well.

Again, Tricare is basically the Health Insurance the Member pays to to provide Health Care for immediate Family members. He is not on Tricare. The family members are.
The member pays for it out of pocket for the $500, plus a reduced salary as compared to private company work.
It is not subsidized. This way of thinking is only due to your dislike for the military.
The Military member is both a Federal Employee and Federal Govt Property. SO.........................................
To receive Health Care is akin to Health Insurance for the Fed Employee. PLUS, the money for Medical Treatment is for care and upkeep on Govt Property.

I have yet to ever hear any Military member state it was unfair. You obviously have never dealt with Tricare.
I would love to speak with your "Brother", as he sounds like he may be related to the nerdy guys Girlfriend that lives near Niagra Falls, and never visits unless everyone is out of town.



posted on Feb, 28 2012 @ 01:02 PM
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Originally posted by TinkerHaus


If you do make a lot of money, stop crying and pay your fair share.


So, what is a lot of money there Mr. 0bama?



posted on Feb, 28 2012 @ 01:12 PM
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My apologies if you are younger then 30, but this post is insulting to anyone who reads a newspaper. I suggest to everyone here that facts trump flag waving.
Our country has been taken over by WEALTHY, WAR LOVING people, the majority of which are GOD fearing Republicans.
For future reference on whether or not a post is just another rant to sway weak, slogan filled people with fear, observe if the title of said post is insulting in itself, its President Obama , because as an American I respect the will of the people, he won, get over it.
To bemoan the passing of health care reform which trys to stop insurance companies from dropping people when they get sick after paying in for years, is the most insulting point of all.
If God has allowed people with disabilities to be born into this world, He has then tasked us with taking care of our brothers and sisters, but you won't hear anything about that at a Rebublican debate.



posted on Feb, 28 2012 @ 01:13 PM
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Hey, what happened to "free health care for everyone"? Oh, wait, Obama loathes the military. They aren't included in "everyone" - nor are whites, Republicans or anyone with a job.



posted on Feb, 28 2012 @ 01:13 PM
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This is ridiculous! I thought this type of thing was part of the third rail of American politics? I guess times they are a changing? These budget cuts have to go through congress before being passed. My guess is that most if not all of it will be dead on arrival. The health benefits is one of the core components for recruitment in the United State's all volunteer military.

A prospective candidate knows that by signing away four years of their life or deciding to make the military a career that their health and well being will be taken care of by the US government and the US taxpayer. There are plenty of cuts to be made elsewhere in the US federal budget which is at almost 16 trillion dollars. These men and women are going to all these far-flung backwaters to be shot at, maimed, and killed to only have their government with whom they serve threaten to make their quality of life even harder than it already is? Where is the logic in that?

I find this all to be very discouraging.There has to be a line in sand, and this particular item ought to be it when it comes to cuts. I don't believe congress is going to go along with any of it, and that goes for both sides of the isle. Approving this would be equivalent to committing political suicide. I hope this goes the way of the dodo bird.
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posted on Feb, 28 2012 @ 01:22 PM
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Originally posted by SankeySugar

Our country has been taken over by WEALTHY, WAR LOVING people,

True.


Originally posted by SankeySugar
the majority of which are GOD fearing Republicans.

You mean Politicians.





Originally posted by SankeySugar
For future reference on whether or not a post is just another rant to sway weak, slogan filled people with fear, observe if the title of said post is insulting in itself, its President Obama , because as an American I respect the will of the people, he won, get over it.

And by the Grace of God, he is sent packing next go around.



Originally posted by SankeySugar
To bemoan the passing of health care reform which trys to stop insurance companies from dropping people when they get sick after paying in for years, is the most insulting point of all.

Um, no. That is not all that is in there.
To state that is basically omitting 99.9999% of the other crap in the Bill.



Originally posted by SankeySugar
If God has allowed people with disabilities to be born into this world, He has then tasked us with taking care of our brothers and sisters,

2 words. Medicare Medicaid.
It already exists. On top of State run programs as well.




Originally posted by SankeySugar
but you won't hear anything about that at a Rebublican debate.

Oh good hell.
Really?
Get a clue would ya?



posted on Feb, 28 2012 @ 01:44 PM
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How can you be so concerned now about this? where did anyone think the money for two wars would come from ? The incredibly brave men and women who do put their lives in danger for us , like my father as a soldier and a police officer, should be given the best benefits they deserve every penny, but you have to pay for it.
The bare minimum safety nets we have are not even close to addressing the level of health and mental care needed across this country and everyone knows it,
I agree its both sides of the spectrum, but its seems to me that a party mostly filled with God fearing folks would turn away from war and be a little more Christlike.
Why would we need a national debate on taking care of our less fortunate ?
Why a debate on whether or not the rich should share ?
Didn't Jesus address this already ?



posted on Feb, 28 2012 @ 01:58 PM
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But,he still has a $100 billion of OUR damn money that he can give to the anti-American ,United Nations, Marxist 'sewer!'

Obama Gives $100 Billion to the UN

This foreign national,criminal,POTUS--is not on our side--PERIOD!
The Terrorist Within!



posted on Feb, 28 2012 @ 02:02 PM
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Don't forget the re-election funds that he has.
0bama truly is a turd of the highest order.



posted on Feb, 28 2012 @ 02:09 PM
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We signed (as a nation ) an agreement to help fund a global effort to help other less fortunate nations, it seems like the right thing to do, has the fund been improperly used ? Yes. Fix the human greed factor and it still seems like a good idea and I agree that we need help here, I am thinking of the few billion a week we spend now in Afghanistan as a good start.





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