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posted on Feb, 28 2012 @ 02:24 PM
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Well I am all for laws banning large contributions , especially from corporations, but we both know it amounts to political suicide if the people running against you don't share the same values and rake in the cash. All the problems people have with this corruption in our election system boils down to the fault of one man who hasn't even been in office a full term ? Our CIA led efforts to funnel money to countries under the guise of regime change or promoting democracy around the world has been going on for a very long time, Santorum said in the debate that Obama cut funding for anti regime factions in Iran and then when the unrest swept into that country , we were to blame for the quick demise of the protesters, at the same time hes not giving away your money to people in terrorist countries, Which way do you want it ?




posted on Feb, 28 2012 @ 02:31 PM
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Frankly, many retiree's were promised pay in the form of free medical care for life for serving a minimum number of years (usually 20). To have to pay any amount at all after doing their part is tyranny. Things like this erreremove our governments right to govern us. They continue to break faith with and betray the people of these UnitrStates. We are under tyrannical rule. It is past time for the people to legally take our nation back.. how? Imagine if they went back years ago and reduce your pay and demand it from u now? Same thing. A lie to the very people who protect us.



posted on Feb, 28 2012 @ 02:32 PM
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Originally posted by macman

Originally posted by TinkerHaus


If you do make a lot of money, stop crying and pay your fair share.


So, what is a lot of money there Mr. 0bama?


Let me put it this way, if you can afford a computer and the internet, you can afford to pay for your own healthcare. If you have the computer and internet, and are having problems paying your bills, maybe you should reprioritize your life.

I would love for you to meet my brother too... I doubt you'd be slinging verbal mud if he were standing there in front of you. He is active Utah National Guard, he was regular army for 6 years or so. Neither of us are little guys, although I guess the term "nerdy" could apply, as we're both pretty good at what we respectively do.

Thank you for clarifying this for me, as obviously I was a little confused. I still maintain that former military deserve no special handouts unless they were injured in the line of duty.

I don't hate the military. My whole family is military. My uncles were both Marines, my dad was in the Army, my great grandfather fought in WWII, the list goes on.. I have a TON of respect for individuals and those that took part in honorable campaigns. I studied WWII history in depth, and military history in general.

If we're going to call a group "heroes" and give them special welfare, why soldiers? Why not teachers or firemen? Why not people who work with special needs or people who donate their time to making our society a better place? Why are our obligatory heroes those that align themselves with an out of control government with an out of control foreign policy?

I'm not asking for the military to get less, only that the get the same. Don't think I hate you or your job - what I hate is the idea that we owe you something for a choice you made.



posted on Feb, 28 2012 @ 02:49 PM
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While I agree teachers and fireman have tough careers, its not on the same level my friend, We, as a nation ,ask these people to kill or be killed to ensure we can live without fear here at home, for the people who do this for us we should reserve a special status, my point being that we should not go to war without a mandate from the people, perhaps then the full weight of what we are asking would not be lost under the phrase "its just a job".



posted on Feb, 28 2012 @ 02:55 PM
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Originally posted by TinkerHaus


Let me put it this way, if you can afford a computer and the internet, you can afford to pay for your own healthcare. If you have the computer and internet, and are having problems paying your bills, maybe you should reprioritize your life.

I agree.



Originally posted by TinkerHaus
I would love for you to meet my brother too... I doubt you'd be slinging verbal mud if he were standing there in front of you.

Sorry, as I don't coward to anyone, whether it be here or in person.



Originally posted by TinkerHaus
He is active Utah National Guard, he was regular army for 6 years or so. Neither of us are little guys,

Ok, and that means what?




Originally posted by TinkerHaus
Thank you for clarifying this for me, as obviously I was a little confused. I still maintain that former military deserve no special handouts unless they were injured in the line of duty.

The retires have/had an agreement for their service of 20 years.
Regardless what you think, the commitment needs to be honored.
The OP is more in line with Active Duty, and what they deal with in regards to TriCare, which is a joke in and of its own.




Originally posted by TinkerHaus
I don't hate the military. My whole family is military. My uncles were both Marines, my dad was in the Army, my great grandfather fought in WWII, the list goes on.. I have a TON of respect for individuals and those that took part in honorable campaigns. I studied WWII history in depth, and military history in general.

Well, then I guess I was wrong.
Your arguing base suggests otherwise.




Originally posted by TinkerHaus
If we're going to call a group "heroes" and give them special welfare, why soldiers?

Because that is the agreement made.


Originally posted by TinkerHaus
Why not teachers or firemen?

Teachers have their nice cozy union to back them up, along with a nice tax payer provided pension.
Fireman have about the same.



Originally posted by TinkerHaus
Why not people who work with special needs or people who donate their time to making our society a better place?

Because that is not the agreement.
If they don't like what they get, maybe join the Military.




Originally posted by TinkerHaus
Why are our obligatory heroes those that align themselves with an out of control government with an out of control foreign policy?

Because most don't see it as such. Or, see the good that they can do, both for others and themselves.





Originally posted by TinkerHaus
I'm not asking for the military to get less, only that the get the same.

The same as whom?




Originally posted by TinkerHaus
Don't think I hate you or your job - what I hate is the idea that we owe you something for a choice you made.

What do you owe me?
I am not a retired military member.
I am, however a disabled Vet.
But, I don't get free health care, nor would I want to deal with TriCare, ever again.



posted on Feb, 28 2012 @ 02:56 PM
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I simply say, honor the agreement. If health benefits of a certain type were part of the agreement, we need to honor it. Grandfather those people in. Change it for those who sign up starting NOW. The problem I have is if they were promised one thing, and now we are as a nation reneging on the promise. That would be reprehensible.



posted on Feb, 28 2012 @ 03:12 PM
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So wait a minute here....

We are going to cut the healthcare for the people who actually put in work for it.

But some lowlife who has never done a dam thing for themselves gets all the free healthcare they could want....

Pinch me because I must be dreaming in Bass Ackwards land again....



posted on Feb, 28 2012 @ 03:20 PM
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Well its like they say " One mans lowlife is another mans son born with a severe disability".
Because we know everyone on welfare is a do nothing lowlife layabout, probably smokin crack and stealing stuff right?



posted on Feb, 28 2012 @ 03:30 PM
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Looks like the draft will have to be imposed in awhile.
Soldiers will no longer be signing up for longer terms and people will quit signing up at all and who can blame them. With pay cuts and now medical benefits cut the risk isn't worth it.
It's getting so bad at home we will need all our brave men and women here anyway.



posted on Feb, 28 2012 @ 07:40 PM
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Originally posted by AmericanDaughter
Looks like the draft will have to be imposed in awhile.
Soldiers will no longer be signing up for longer terms and people will quit signing up at all and who can blame them. With pay cuts and now medical benefits cut the risk isn't worth it.
It's getting so bad at home we will need all our brave men and women here anyway.


Sadly this is ultimately why military wont ever pay a lot, not because they earned it. They wont pay a lot so the elites kids never have to put their lives on the line for our Nation. The draft is sure fire way to keep military pay and benifits top notch.



posted on Feb, 28 2012 @ 07:40 PM
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Originally posted by AmericanDaughter
Looks like the draft will have to be imposed in awhile.
Soldiers will no longer be signing up for longer terms and people will quit signing up at all and who can blame them. With pay cuts and now medical benefits cut the risk isn't worth it.
It's getting so bad at home we will need all our brave men and women here anyway.


Sadly this is ultimately why military wont ever pay a lot, not because they earned it. They wont pay a lot so the elites kids never have to put their lives on the line for our Nation. The draft is sure fire way to keep military pay and benifits top notch.



posted on Feb, 29 2012 @ 12:09 AM
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I'm retired, I received this questionnaire a few months ago .I knew something was up with my health benefits. It was more pages and questions than the census. Now I know why. I'm sure I'm not the only retied vet who received this. The form started off with a statement.

How much does your spouse make?

Do you own a home?

Do you have a second job.

Does your employer offer health benefits. ?

How much are your total assets combined?

Does your spouse work ? If so can you be added to a company heath plan ?

It goes on about health related question and plans . The pentagon is trying find a way to ditch the health benefits of veterans by looking for an alternative source outside the DOD. The alternative sources would eventually be under Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act ( AKA Obama Care) at some time or another. It looks like it was written by the CBO as well. You must be retired Military to have received this form . It could have been a random selection also.

To clear up some confusion . Active duty and Retires member will have benefits cut and fees increased. All ranks will pay according to there retirement pay or active duty pay. Military members who make more pay more as the scale goes, active duty and retired. The way I read this is that some medical procedures will be cut while increasing the amount of payment or deduction for your pay. This also included health insurance for the family as well. Rates will increase about 300 plus percent over three years. This will take effect starting next October if approved by congress. This almost sounds like the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act for the military.

When the Commander and chief was elected, within two month he made this statement “ I also want disabled vets to pay for health insurance” I'm like what ? That statement was buried so fast in one day, I believe it was on the pentagon channel and never seen the light day on the MSM. I believe we will see our disabled veterans paying in the future.

Here is the Kicker that some do not want to read on this board. I have been reading some Military discussion forums. I'm calling this the fall out of the military. Some including myself are concerned about the voluntary military force, and how the health benefit(s) reduction increases will affect our military strength across the board. Many Officer and NCO 's think this will be the downfall of the voluntary forces which will lead to a draft Why? because no one will want to sign on the dotted line due to the health benefits cuts and increases. This has been the hallmark for joining the military, and receiving Tricare for life. Take it for what it's worth, but I can tell you as recent military retiree and officer this might very well happen. I always asked the troops why they joined, and this was in the top 3 all the time.


Write your Congressman about how shameful this is to our troops. Also you might mention you don't want to be the draftee putting your a$$ to the blast in the next war, because more than likely you will be if this passes.


From Ron Paul . Today

“We have put our troops in harm’s way, and we must honor our promises. Our troops have paid a heavy price these past 10 years. Over 5,000 have lost their lives in Iraq and Afghanistan, 40,000 have seen crushing injuries, and hundreds of thousands more suffer from brain injury and post-traumatic stress disorder.


Source:

Ron Paul responds to Obama tricare cuts
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posted on Feb, 29 2012 @ 01:11 AM
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I'm not asking for the military to get less, only that the get the same. Don't think I hate you or your job - what I hate is the idea that we owe you something for a choice you made.


If no one in this country made the choice voluntarily, then it will be made for you. It's called a draft.



posted on Feb, 29 2012 @ 01:19 AM
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Originally posted by SankeySugar
We signed (as a nation ) an agreement to help fund a global effort to help other less fortunate nations, it seems like the right thing to do, has the fund been improperly used ? Yes. Fix the human greed factor and it still seems like a good idea and I agree that we need help here, I am thinking of the few billion a week we spend now in Afghanistan as a good start.

any agreement so haphazardly abused and mismanaged should never be considered an obligation.
We are obligated to our own and this includes our soldiers.

while i agree we are spending far too much in pointless conflicts abroad, that is no excuse or reason to continue funding the mess known as the UN and it's programming.

you cannot fix the human greed factor ... it is part of who we are as a species.



posted on Feb, 29 2012 @ 08:27 AM
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I am against the entitlement system
Troops are different though
Govt.(Therefore the people) have to take care of them



posted on Feb, 29 2012 @ 08:49 AM
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Originally posted by pierregustavetoutant

Originally posted by TheOneElectric
I don't agree with this for a second, but it's a cautionary tale.

Be careful what you wish for? You want entitlement cuts? You want government welfare spending to be cut...
Your wish is my command. Don't throw a hissy fit when it doesn't go exactly how you wanted it.


The budget can be massively cut without touching a penny of soldier's benefits.
This is pure disgrace.


I think Obama tried attacking US military healthcare after about 1 month in office.

Remember?

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This is an air ball. It will never happen. Obama will be thrown out of office in November 2012.



posted on Feb, 29 2012 @ 08:59 AM
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Yes my husband a (retire marine) and I are already weighting the great Obama care wind fall for retirees.

All those fools that think Obama care was the best thing after apple pie are going to get nothing but crap, Obama care was the biggest bailout for the corrupted private insurance companies, we told you so but many didn't listen.

Private corrupted companies and insurance will be gouging tax payers and workers because they can and have the law behind them.

My husband is going to have to get himself off tricare that is the insurance option for retirees and seek veterans supported hospitals in order to be able to afford for me to stay on tricare.

Thanks Obama many here knows that Obama is nothing but a corporate whore just like all politicians in Washington

Socialist my butt.




posted on Feb, 29 2012 @ 09:04 AM
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0bama truly is a turd.
There is no doubting that.



posted on Feb, 29 2012 @ 09:08 AM
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Boy. I sure am "proud to be an American". This is two Presidents in a row who have cut veterans benefits DURING wartime. A perfectly bi-partisan effort to let you all know that quite simply...AMERICA IS NOT WORTH FIGHTING FOR.



posted on Feb, 29 2012 @ 09:19 AM
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the reasoning behind the administrations action is to force groups into only having ØbamaCare...

see, most Union health coverage had applied for and been granted a Waiver from a forced joining into the ØbamaCare health policy mess


snip from OP link:

....Administration officials told Congress that one goal of the increased fees is to force military retirees to reduce their involvement in Tricare and eventually opt out of the program in favor of alternatives established by the 2010 Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, aka Obamacare. [...]


ØbamaCare is a treacherous, quicksand loaded, swamp that will suck down the health insurance industry and the Doctors not too far behind... the traveling medicine man & sideshow troope will be the result after 2014 when his socialist crud goes into the overdrive mode
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