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posted on Feb, 28 2012 @ 12:49 AM
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It is past due time for a change in our leadership.

couldn't agree more and i sure hope those were rhetorical questions because i've answered all of them many times before.
sir, you'd be preaching to the choir ... i'm all about removing these impediments.

ps: slightly off-topic here but ... IF Obi & Congress were to cut ANY military benefits AND demand their proper function abroad ... without cutting other obvious, unnecessary spending ... doesn't it become OUR DUTY to correct the situation?
and by whatever means necessary?

and ya know, i've got to wonder about all this tax talk ... IF the wealthiest pay the most taxes, why are they continually supporting this nonsense? IF the wealthiest are the great contributors to this calamity, why don't they stop paying taxes all together?
after all, it's their money, right?


fiat funds don't exist, so how are we, the people, really in debt again?
i have no loans, no capital gains or current income so why should i (or any like person) be "in debt" at all?

this imaginary debt is what is driving this imaginary need to cut necessary resources ...
and that just ain't right.




posted on Feb, 28 2012 @ 12:55 AM
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Originally posted by rebellender
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did you forget the $500 billion to Solyndra or did I just miss it
if I missed it my bad

nah, you didn't miss it and neither did i ... i just didn't make a list, perhaps we should

(i thought Solyndra was millions not billions?) ... either way, it's too much to spend on unproven nonsense.

believe me, there is much to list, i just happened to recall reading a thread on the "donation" recently ... who is he to make "donations" with our money anyway?
besides, i know plenty of charities who deserve it more.

edit to clarify -- neither Obama, the Feds or Congress have been granted Constitutional authority to make any donations on our behalf. this really needs to stop all together.
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posted on Feb, 28 2012 @ 01:47 AM
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Here is a wild and wacky idea how about if he cuts anything how about the billions going to illegals for free food,free housing,free healthcare.

No silly me since minorities make up the largest voting block ok well anyone who has looked around at this country today know they are not in the minority.

Yet again the military gets crapped on i agree with wrabbit here if anyone "deserves" or is "entitled" is those men and women who serve and continue to serve this nation so that jerks can hate on them.
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posted on Feb, 28 2012 @ 02:07 AM
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Let's gut congressional and senate pay and benefits first then we'll talk.

Or paying six figure salaries to all your campaign cronies in made up Czar jobs.

I did everything asked of me and more for 24 years now it's time for the government to pay up on all the promises it made which originally (when I came in anyway) was zero cost for retiree health care but over the years it has slowly changed.

The coverage itself sucks as it is...they pay less than medicare does to the providers; I can hardly find a provider who will accept the insurance anyway. Can't blame them would you give your product away at 70% off... I know I couldn't and survive.

I am a military retiree - they want a revolution they can get one try pissing off a bunch of well trained, well-armed battle hardened and experienced warriors. Not the brightest move IMO.

Everyone has their personal tipping point.



posted on Feb, 28 2012 @ 03:02 AM
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Wow. As if the guys and gals in uniform where not cannon fodder enough, Congress & the White House plan to discuss pulling back on their healthcare? My own opinion is let them. Go ahead and have that debate, then vote on it. If it passes then there should be a provision for servicemembers to lawfully decline hazardous missions that may result in long term medical expenses. Call it the go pound sand provision.



posted on Feb, 28 2012 @ 06:17 AM
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Pretty funny (not) that this comes out not to long after the Vets/Armed forces marched on Washington...Guess they are trying to intimidate so they won't protest again.



posted on Feb, 28 2012 @ 06:29 AM
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When i was in the navy we were told if we stayed in for 20 years we would get free health care.
but i was luckly i got out after6 so now i get free health care at the VA.

"If the Department of Defense and the U.S. Congress cannot afford to pay for the lifetime healthcare that military retirees earned after 20 or more years of ardous service, then the Department of Defense and the U.S. Congress should not make so many military retirees. However, in the meantime, make good on the promises that were made to the ones that were enticed to make a career out of their service based on these promises." In other words, No Bait and Switch!



posted on Feb, 28 2012 @ 08:48 AM
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I'd just like to point out that $2000 a year is still less than the average US worker pays for healthcare.

On top of this, the average US worker doesn't get a credit to buy a home, doesn't get living expenses for their family, doesn't get free money for college (not by default, anyway), doesn't get tax free income EVER..

Are you guys truly patriots or did you sign up for the fringe benefits?

Let me answer for you - a true patriot pays his share, doesn't expect handouts from his fellow countrymen. Free or highly subsidized healthcare is a handout. Free money for college is a handout. Tax free income while deployed is a handout. Living credits for your wife and children are...that's right, handouts.

Most of the military identify themselves as conservatives, but they have no problem accepting free (taxpayer) money. Beyond that, they throw a fit when they are asked to contribute..

Personally I am against all US military operations over the last 11 or so years..Why should I have to support those who carry out wars that I am morally opposed to? Is this a free country or not? My idea of freedom is NOT PAYING FOR SOMEONE ELSE'S WAR.. What's your idea of freedom?

Such hypocrisy. =

I am also against free healthcare for government. I think the playing field should be leveled and if most of us are required to pay for our own healthcare, all of us should be.
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posted on Feb, 28 2012 @ 09:20 AM
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This is what you guys wanted right? cuts!!

So here are your cuts!

Now maybe some fools that want people to be thrown out in the street like mongrels will think twice about their illogical point of view.



posted on Feb, 28 2012 @ 09:27 AM
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Of course he would.
If anyone has ever doubted his disdain for the American Military, they have been either fooled or just ignorant.

But, lets keep rewarding those that don't work for any benefits.



posted on Feb, 28 2012 @ 09:49 AM
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Do these Tricare health plans cover the entire family? My understanding is that they do...

The average price of healthcare for a 4 person family in the USA is $15,000 per year!

You guys are mad that you have to pay 1/7th of that?

Why is SOCIALISM ok to you people sometimes, but not all the time? You guys are against paying for your own healthcare, but most of you are against a single payer system too, because it's SOCIALISM. I really, really cannot understand the disconnect in thinking here..



posted on Feb, 28 2012 @ 09:52 AM
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The title brings to mind a someone who drives a car and just gasses it up, until it stops and rather than repair it simply gets another one.

The solution is to not let your children enlist. They won't be valued or taken care of. If they impose a draft dodge it until the 1% put their kids on the front lines as cannon fodder - that won't happen but what will happen with the absence of cheap expendable human life is something called 'peace' and I would like to try that.



posted on Feb, 28 2012 @ 09:54 AM
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Originally posted by Nucleardiver
And remember this, I may not agree with what you have to say, but unlike you I would give my life to protect your right to say it.
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Exactly so. There is no more pernicious type of fascism than the one that has nothing but complaints and no solutions and no willingness to engage in them.

Though I'm glad you don't need the extra benefits for service, those benefits should be there. There are people who do need them.


Originally posted by Nucleardiver Just like how we were sending Pakistan 500 billion a year in foreign aid while all along they were intentionally hiding OBL in their country. Not to mention the long list of other nations that hate us that we send billions to.


You (and some of the other Western nations) are paying them to keep their stupidity down to a dull roar. I don't pretend to get this idea completely. This is like paying children to have temper tantrums.
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posted on Feb, 28 2012 @ 10:02 AM
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I hope he does cut the benifits and he cuts all the aid and melfare benifits too.

this may push many over the edge.


They say that terrorist are inside the us. ya well when you take a guy from his home and make him fight in conditions where he can ba shot at and cannot even defend him self with out the threat of prosecution and then tell him by the way his kid is gonna die because he cannot get treatment because it is to costly.

Yes you are gonna creat a terrorist.

But at this puiont we can call them human.


If history tells us anything. You can obnly push a man so far then he will for a fact snap.

And when it happens you will reap what you sow.

FACT....

I can tell you that if you had a small squad of soldiers who caome home pissed off at the government for the lack of care for them and the lack of support and these guys were mentally Fubar.

Well lets just say this is janet;s worse fear.


We as a society bread hate.

We push people to act out.

We as a society take an average young boy and make him carzy tio the point he wants to kill.


What does that say for our government officials and policy makers who are geting ready to cut soldiers benifits even more.

lets not forget they get paid # to begin with.

ComBAT PAY SUCKS AND SO DO THE BENIFITS AS THERE ARE NONE.



posted on Feb, 28 2012 @ 10:15 AM
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Sorry, but it is not any more Socialism then a company providing Health Care to employees.
The agreement was that if you serve in the US Military, you have Health Care, basically in trade for a reduced Salary.

It would be Socialism if said Health Care is provided to EVERYONE, not just Military Members. As those Military Members are committed for a term of 2-4 years to work, when told to do so.



posted on Feb, 28 2012 @ 10:19 AM
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When my father fought in Korea and Vietnam he had been promised that he would have free health and dental care for life. That promise should have been kept. My father certainly kept his part of the bargain. Let the government keep their part as well.

It speaks volumes that the President would cut the health benefits of the military while keeping benefits for his union thug friends.



posted on Feb, 28 2012 @ 10:21 AM
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It IS a form of SOCIALISM because you expect the benefits to last long after your active service. This is very much socialist, just it only applies to our "heroes" that "served their country." This is the WORST form of socialism because a certain class of people received better treatment than the rest. You can attempt to justify it to suit your own philosophy, but the reality is that money is extracted from the public at large and in this case used to promote the general welfare and well being of a select few. This is public money and those who actually pay for it have no say in how it's spent.

Yes, it is JUST LIKE an employer providing healthcare and subsidizing some of the cost... Only when I leave my job, my benefits stop. They don't go on forever and ever. I do have the COBRA option, but that's like 15x more expensive than Tricare.

I guess it's not JUST LIKE an employer, because my PRIVATE employer pays for my healthcare.. In your case I pay for your healthcare. Hope you see the difference.

If you talk to military people many will say "it's just a job." If it's just a job why should you expect to get so much more out of your labor that most people get from theirs?

Maybe if the military didn't offer so many benefits (lies) less people would sign up to participate in expanding New Rome's (the USA) empire.

So a rhetorical question? Did you sign up to SERVE your country or for the benefits? I wonder this to myself because I wonder if cutting military benefits will have an effect on fulfilling enrollment goals. Somehow I think it will, which tells me the benefits are the reason people join, not the desire to serve their country.
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posted on Feb, 28 2012 @ 10:44 AM
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$535 Million my bad ....
its getting off the hook for sure



posted on Feb, 28 2012 @ 10:45 AM
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You called it the worst type of socialism, because it only goes to a priveleged group. Well, you're half right.

It does go to a priveleged group, but it is a reward for servce to the country. Many injuries and health issues are as a result of their participation in their duties to the military.
It's not healthcare, so much as it is workman's comp for the milirtary.

As for socialism? No. Because if it were socialism, anyone could join the military, anyone could do a crappy or great job, get out whenever they felt like it and get the same benefits as those who work hard.



posted on Feb, 28 2012 @ 11:00 AM
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So sad many can not see the truth is right in front of them.
Americas two party system is a failure, there is no policy difference between Bush and Obama.
American military support is the same as it was in 2008 as it is in 2012.
Do military personel know something that the american public is to blind to see or accept ?
Support the troops and not policy.
Wake up to the truth and vote Ron Paul.






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