Obama To Cut Healthcare Benefits For Active Duty And Retired US Military

Okay Okay.. I must be missing something here. SO..... As a nation, we have had Obama care passed over the top of us at poll numbers running upwards of 80% opposed the moment Pelosi banged her over-size cartoon gavel and sealed our fate. This is all done in the name of lower health costs and coverage for all. All. That means right down to the lowest street urchin robbing little 'ol ladies for their Social Sec checks the same as the Corporate Executive.

Do I have this right so far? We all lived through it..I hope I'm not missing anything too big.

SO.... All that so we're all covered and we all have lower rates. Supposedly. To hear them talk about it.

NOW.... Those of our society who have chosen to enlist in a time of war..or serve during one, either way...are being told they get to take one for the team and get screwed on THEIR health. Pay no mind to the fact that what they do..and by extension, where and how their family lives..is inherently dangerous. Families not so much....but thats no absolute either.

Is it too much to ask that our Veterans and Serving U.S. Military have *100% F R E E * Health Care for *LIFE*? It's the least we can do for those millions represented by our Veterans. It's a truly SMALL PRICE to pay when they went in, willing to die for each of us. We should all be ashamed that these men and women have to pay a dime...let alone be told of CUTS.

Originally posted by Nucleardiver
I want my country back, the one I grew up reading about in history books, the America where we had a government that served the people of America, not the people of the world. The America that honored and respected those who had risked all and gave all to defend this great nation.

Well thats the problem, you grew up believing nonsensical propaganda. And when people like me tried to tell you, you ran around shouting "Na na na I cant hear you! Socialist! LIberal! Ahh!"

And now that it affects you, you are all Mr Angry "Im not gonna take it anymore!"

What about the people who have been crying for generations that this isnt right, but you didnt care?

Maybe, just maybe, you understand the whole point of 99% vs 1% now.

Originally posted by Wrabbit2000
Okay Okay.. I must be missing something here. SO..... As a nation, we have had Obama care passed over the top of us at poll numbers running upwards of 80% opposed the moment Pelosi banged her over-size cartoon gavel and sealed our fate. This is all done in the name of lower health costs and coverage for all. All. That means right down to the lowest street urchin robbing little 'ol ladies for their Social Sec checks the same as the Corporate Executive.

Do I have this right so far? We all lived through it..I hope I'm not missing anything too big.

SO.... All that so we're all covered and we all have lower rates. Supposedly. To hear them talk about it.

NOW.... Those of our society who have chosen to enlist in a time of war..or serve during one, either way...are being told they get to take one for the team and get screwed on THEIR health. Pay no mind to the fact that what they do..and by extension, where and how their family lives..is inherently dangerous. Families not so much....but thats no absolute either.

Is it too much to ask that our Veterans and Serving U.S. Military have *100% F R E E * Health Care for *LIFE*? It's the least we can do for those millions represented by our Veterans. It's a truly SMALL PRICE to pay when they went in, willing to die for each of us. We should all be ashamed that these men and women have to pay a dime...let alone be told of CUTS.

You might want to check those figures about the health care bill Rasmussen is reporting more like 50% want the bill repealed - perhaps because people are beginning to realize that it means their kids will never have to know what pre existing condition means. How many people you do you know would trade out their medicare.

And if you are so upset about losing healthcare for veterans and a lot of other beneficial programs -- you better damn well vote demodratic because they are the only ones who think that taking care of veterans is important.

"A, congressman serving but one term, is set for life with retirement and health care", has been debunked...and they do, pay into social security...and retirement is based on tenure and contribution, though they are in no danger of cuts to said retirements, or benefits...

But, a serviceman in our armed forces, putting in 25+ years, has to live with the cut backs of this administration. I agree cuts must come...let's start with Congress.

Term Limits...this will reduce their ultimate "Contribution" / Benefits.

Base said "Contribution", not on tenure but on positive results...yes, this is a bit on the bias side depending on your particular political orientation...one man's positive is another man's negative...but how about for the County's Good as a whole, not just some "party sided crap"...I know this is the hard one, and entirely subjective.

But, let me tell you something I recently found out, about the servicemen in the armed forces, and their retirement.

My Father, who died many years ago, an Air force career man...Chief Master Sergent. Who served in Korea, Vietnam, and Thailand. His widow, my Mother recently was awarded quite a nice sum due to the inclusion of his service, and subsequent death from health issues, being associated with the presence of "Agent Orange" a common defoliant used in those conflicts. The amount of this award was based on proximity to the exposure of this substance, and here is the point to all of this...

He was decorated with the "Purple Heart", and the "Bronze Star"...and so his portion was greater than the average foot soldier who, though had a service no lessor in sacrifice... went the extra mile and was recognized for such duty up and beyond the average call.

That is the meaning of "Contribution"

Just to show up and vote in Congress is not enough...To hell with your constituents and the "Ear-Marks they expect...make the sacrifice...yea you might piss off your home state and maybe not be re-elected...BUT DO THE RIGHT THING FOR YOUR COUNTRY!!!!

Turned into a Rant I know but Damn Congress is pissing me off.

WE must hold our Congressmen to the same measure... And I for one have not seen any sacrifices for the good of this great nation.

Only greed.






for addressing this issue

Originally posted by aching_knuckles

Originally posted by Nucleardiver
I want my country back, the one I grew up reading about in history books, the America where we had a government that served the people of America, not the people of the world. The America that honored and respected those who had risked all and gave all to defend this great nation.

Well thats the problem, you grew up believing nonsensical propaganda. And when people like me tried to tell you, you ran around shouting "Na na na I cant hear you! Socialist! LIberal! Ahh!"

And now that it affects you, you are all Mr Angry "Im not gonna take it anymore!"

What about the people who have been crying for generations that this isnt right, but you didnt care?

Maybe, just maybe, you understand the whole point of 99% vs 1% now.

No......I didn't grow up believing propaganda. There was a time that our country looked out for it's citizens first. I don't know how old you think I am, but I am no child or youngster. My father was born in 1921 and he served 36 years in the Navy, retired a Rear Admiral and was well taken care of by our government with his healthcare. My great-grandfather was a famous law enforcement official in the late 1800's and he lived during a time when you were free to make your own destiny and future, same with my father and it was much the same for me when I was coming of age but in the last decade and a half things have really gotten beyond stupid in our government.

And no I'm not suddenly some "Mr Angry" and "people like" you never tried to tell me anything that I can remember. So take your self-serving BS and shove it because whether you choose to believe it or not there was a time not too long ago when America wasn't all effed up and our government still had some sense of obligation to their constituents.

Like I said I'm not "Mr Angry" because all of a sudden it effects me, I was discharged 10 years ago and actually I still make an exceptionally good living for myself and don't even use my military health benefits. It's the idea behind it, but please Mr. Freud......let me hear some more of your infinate psycho-babbling bullsh!t wisdom.

I knew the risks when I signed up for what I did yet still made the choice to if needed, give my life to try and serve my country. I just think it's bull sh!t that the elitists a$$es we have elected to represent us represent everything except for us.

As far as the people " people like me tried to tell you, " that have been saying how messed up this nation is and no one would listen....well then pack up and take your ass somewhere else cause no one is forcing you to stay here. Furthermore if you think it is so messed up and have so for so long then do something to try and make a change other than talk a bunch of sh!t on a discussion board about how you knew it was messed up for so long.

I swear self-serving a$$ hats like you really crack me up, you think you have all the friggin answers yet you do nothing to try and fix anything other than spout off at the mouth. I don't know if your lack of action is out of cowardus or just plain BS but trust me, I don't need a lecture from you about how you have all the answers and tried to warn the world.

And remember this, I may not agree with what you have to say, but unlike you I would give my life to protect your right to say it.

Obama trying to destroy
the military some more?
NOT SURPRISING!!
.
I MEAN how much more can you take
from the people
who risk their lives for this country/
Obama just gives them
the middle finger, this really gets
my blood boiling.

A requirement for Congress and a requirement for the Presidency needs to be amended to include prior service to this country...other than just being a Lawyer.

Just saying...maybe.

reply to post by spyder550

Wow... We couldn't possibly disagree more. I know what the Obamacare bill started as, way back at the start. I'm against ANY Government supplied health like this, but if we had to have it, at least it would have done some real positive things.

Then the fighting started..and the revisions began...and version after version after cut and re-write became the couple thousand pages of total nightmare than even the people signing it admitted they hadn't read and COULD NEVER fully read. Recall the jokes made on the floor of the United States Congress about the very thought of having one of the most important bills of our time read into the official record? Oh they though it was hilarious....while Americans across the nation BOILED at the show.

What actually passed bore little resemblance to the decent ideas it started with. It has little left to help people and NO ONE I've heard even pretends to say it ultimately lowers anything for prices anymore. It doesn't...whatever the first version may have done. (And honestly, it didn't either)

So... If you like Obamacare so much, have it passed in the state you live in. I hear Mass is really loving their version..Ahem.. Err.. yeah.


As for the Military.. You absolutely have to be kidding me. Democrats are the Military's best hope? Oh good God. Then I hope our servicemen tender their resignations at the soonest. The almost open contempt ...and sometimes VERY OPEN contempt shown by Democrat politicians toward our military is shameful and sickening. They're anything but the best hope for our men and women in Uniform.

Our *BEST* hope is a fairly BALANCED Government between liberal and conservative where solutions could be reached with a little of both extremes. Since that all pretty much ended when Reagan left office... Repubs are the next best thing in the strict sense of Military best interests.

well, this isn't much of a surprise but anyone calling it a compromise sure is.

considering Obama is far too busy tossing our taxdollars overseas for nonsense and programs that have proven minimally successful, he and Congress could cut 10% of the foreign aid we provide and NO cuts to military healthcare would be necessary or suffered by those who deserve it most.

IF Obama hadn't sent $100 Billion to the UN (for more nonsense), military healthcare wouldn't even be on the chopping block. POTUS donates $100 Billion to UN

These allocations are set forth in a 28 page document as follows:

Funnel $63 billion to the Global Health Initiative during the next six years
Make $1 billion annually to education programs
Give $475 million to the Global Agricultural and Food Security Program’
Provide $800 million from the Overseas Private Investment Corporation to Muslim-majority countries in the Middle East and North Africa. An additional $3.2 billion will be provided by private equity capital sources to these Muslim nations
Shell out millions more available through USAID for developing tech hubs in Uganda, Kenya, Cameroon, South Africa, and Senegal.
Dole out $80 million through the Overseas Private Investment Corporation for small to medium enterprises in the Middle East and North Africa.
Cough up $2.5 billion annually to 90 countries to “strengthen governance and democratic institutions.”
Make available $30 billion through the Obama’s Climate Change Initiative to reduce greenhouse gas emissions. In addition, $100 billion a year will be provided through taxpayer and private resources to deal with the alleged threat of global climate change.

The United States is assessed at 22% of the U.N. regular budget and more than 27% for U.N. the peacekeeping budget. Mr. Obama has requested $516.3 million for the U.N. regular budget and more than $2.182 billion for the peacekeeping budget for 2011.

and that's just ONE PROGRAM, we certainly support many more.
if the healthcare benefits provided to our servicefolk (active or retired) are in jeopardy, perhaps it is time to re-seat Congress and cut their benefits first.

reply to post by sad_eyed_lady


If Obama wants to save money,why doesn't he and all his ilk take the same damn health insurance benefits the REST of America is being mandated into?





Dont F with the Military !

velcome to Amerika comrades you vil serve ze motherland and you vil likes it and not complain!

Originally posted by sonnny1
reply to post by sad_eyed_lady

 

If Obama wants to save money,why doesn't he and all his ilk take the same damn health insurance benefits the REST of America is being mandated into?

Dont F with the Military !

It is kinda odd how Obama is seemingly lining us up for the mother of all regional wars across the world....while kicking the military in the teeth. These are the guys he's asking to go fight new wars and die in entirely new places? Err.. Wow, huh?

I can't say anything about this right now.
I have already been into trouble tonight.
But (had to delete about 5 words so I dont have black Suburbans showing up tomorrow) can have another 747 for his wife because it is unclean to travel with an unclean woman and have another 747 for his black dog (which I guarantee isn't really black) because Black dogs are evil and unclean

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Originally posted by Honor93
well, this isn't much of a surprise but anyone calling it a compromise sure is.

considering Obama is far too busy tossing our taxdollars overseas for nonsense and programs that have proven minimally successful, he and Congress could cut 10% of the foreign aid we provide and NO cuts to military healthcare would be necessary or suffered by those who deserve it most.

IF Obama hadn't sent $100 Billion to the UN (for more nonsense), military healthcare wouldn't even be on the chopping block. POTUS donates $100 Billion to UN

These allocations are set forth in a 28 page document as follows:

Funnel $63 billion to the Global Health Initiative during the next six years
Make $1 billion annually to education programs
Give $475 million to the Global Agricultural and Food Security Program’
Provide $800 million from the Overseas Private Investment Corporation to Muslim-majority countries in the Middle East and North Africa. An additional $3.2 billion will be provided by private equity capital sources to these Muslim nations
Shell out millions more available through USAID for developing tech hubs in Uganda, Kenya, Cameroon, South Africa, and Senegal.
Dole out $80 million through the Overseas Private Investment Corporation for small to medium enterprises in the Middle East and North Africa.
Cough up $2.5 billion annually to 90 countries to “strengthen governance and democratic institutions.”
Make available $30 billion through the Obama’s Climate Change Initiative to reduce greenhouse gas emissions. In addition, $100 billion a year will be provided through taxpayer and private resources to deal with the alleged threat of global climate change.

The United States is assessed at 22% of the U.N. regular budget and more than 27% for U.N. the peacekeeping budget. Mr. Obama has requested $516.3 million for the U.N. regular budget and more than $2.182 billion for the peacekeeping budget for 2011.

and that's just ONE PROGRAM, we certainly support many more.
if the healthcare benefits provided to our servicefolk (active or retired) are in jeopardy, perhaps it is time to re-seat Congress and cut their benefits first.

Every penny of the funds listed should be immediately stopped. That is not the governments money to be giving out. Think about this, look at the shape that our nation is in, we are in debt and borrowing money from China on a daily basis as well as printing millions everyday which will result eventually in hyper-knflation and a further decreased dollar. We are cutting our military, the security system for our nation because we can't afford it.

Now think of our country as if it were your household. If you were broke and going further in debt every day and having to borrow money from the bank every Friday to pay your bills, a bank that you knew eventually wanted to take your home, would you continue to hand out that money to criminal gangs on the other side of your neighborhood that you knew wanted to eventually invade your home, kill you, and steal your belongings?

Would you also at the same time have your ADT security system program cut back to not include as many safety precautions because you instead needed to give the money you were spending on the extra security programs to the criminal gangs on the other side of the neighborhood?

If you were actually doing this in your household people would call you insane. If you had dependent children living with you then by all liklyhood you would be charged with neglect and endangerment.

Now looking at things from this perspective, why do we continue to allow our representatives to act in an insane manner and endanger our national security and economy?

It is past due time for a change in our leadership.

More evils of the NDAA...

Originally posted by Blackmarketeer
The real title of this thread should be:

McCain Gets His Cut To Healthcare Benefits For Active Duty And Retired US Military

That $200 increase in Tricare copayment came straight from his proposal.

Reposted for truth.

reply to post by Honor93


did you forget the $500 billion to Solyndra or did I just miss it
if I missed it my bad

Originally posted by Wrabbit2000

It is kinda odd how Obama is seemingly lining us up for the mother of all regional wars across the world....while kicking the military in the teeth. These are the guys he's asking to go fight new wars and die in entirely new places? Err.. Wow, huh?

WTF is right................

I wouldn't be upset if any cuts were across the board. But they aren't.

Paying money to Solendra, UN, etc is one thing.
Cutting veteran benefits is another.

He's (Obama) is targeting demographically. Catholics? Who cares. Give 'em mandates.
Veterans? Who cares. Charge them more.

Unions? Waitaminute! They vote for me!
Waivers.


If it were all government DoD employees, I would agree to it. Since it is specific to just the military?

Not so much.

reply to post by pierregustavetoutant


Agreed 100% all the while were giving away free benefits to illegals coming into the country, of most who have no respect for the people or country. Leaving those who put there lives on the line for freedoms most take for granted.

I'm sure this will bring up a few hate replies about defending the military, It's those in the upper chain of command that are the corrupt ones, not the common GI who is being left w/o the promised benefits that are deserved.

This is why anyone with any semblance of a brain who actually listens to what Ron Paul has to say instead of his detractors and looks at his track record of consistency and doing what he says he will do unlike any other politician on the hill will be voting for him.This is why the military is overwhelmingly voting for him more then all the other candidates combined.