The 99% Spring... Get ready for it... The previous antics were just a test for the big call

reply to post by tw0330
send me a post card from git mo

this is the kind of talk NDAA2012 is looking for, why do you think NDAA2012 Sub Sec d 1020 1021 got passed? to keep sheepole inline. OWS and all the others will be round up and sent off to who knows where, git mo is just a figure of speech same as fema camps, but then we do know they are for real, camps that is not fema camps, however fema does give the cramps

reply to post by tw0330

The same thing will happen with peaceful protests if the protesters all have ADHD. ...and believe me when I say, I'm only half joking.

No one wants to hear it but the solution IS viable and it's downright simple. It just has nothing in common with the instant gratification that everyone seems to demand these days. It's taken the liberals over 40 years to really build this power, starting with the more far sighted and deep thinking of the 1960's bunch.

They started at the local level, School boards and city councils up to state houses and political party control (as much on BOTH sides as possible for ideology). It'll take time and no LESS dedication and people willing to really do something, like run for office, to correct what has gone clear off the rails.


Revolution talk is crazy talk though. The government has thought of that...and anyone showing that tendency with more than a passing ability to do anything, aren't free men for long. Recent history sure shows that to be true. Actual, open attempts would be self defeating and a terrible thing to see happen.

The old fashioned way is the only way that'll work over the long term. Of course, Occupy is a little weak on people who could stand for public election and not be torn to shreds on character or background.....

reply to post by jibeho


This whole Us vs. Them scenario fuels the machine.

2 cents.

In line with my previous post on this with links and examples and to the OP here, I found this.

(AP/The Blaze) SACRAMENTO, Calif. – At least two law enforcement officers were injured Monday during a clash with members of the Occupy movement who were at the state Capitol to counter a rally by a group protesting violence by blacks against whites in South Africa.

Source

Now I know that The Blaze isn't everyone's favorite source, but it's accurate enough here. It isn't the fact they didn't like skinheads with a new twist or that something happened with the cops. It's something altogether different that brings this example to mind as an important example. Basically, it's that anything related to Occupy was at something like this to begin with.

This is one of the biggest problems... A protest movement with a couple RELATED gripes to form a cause has a chance. A group basically forming into "Protest, Inc." to stand for whatever cause catches someone's eye at the moment or for whatever sponsor happens to be backing at the time is fine if that is what people want to do....just be up front about it. What the heck did White's protesting Black violence in South Africa have to do with anything relating to change in America?? If Occupy stands for everything then it really doesn't stand for much.

reply to post by jibeho


I don't know why anyone thinks the election needs to be highjacked by this movement, the election is already a mighty fine dog and pony show as it is. I mean; the few democrats willing to run and we get a guy with a 3 foot boot on his head , .. all of a sudden contraception comes into the limelight to piss off and pit people against each-other, and the Republican candidates are snakelike goons who regurgitate incessant garbage that wouldn't fall lightly on anyone's sensibilities in the modern world.

Then there's Ron Paul, which I had the great displeasure and disgust of watching last election to current, how effectively and well orchestrated the media and the whole process works against him. Lights,camera......the stage is set.

I saw how the tea party was hijacked and I'm sure it's happened again...this is so much bigger, deeper and beyond what I fear we are capable of changing because of our inability to be highly organized and march for a common goal. I don't really wanna see the movement go down in flames, but see some kind of flame lit under the proverbial "civilian arse " so that maybe we can make some changes.

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reply to post by XPLodER

this is a protest directly from the AEU auto engineers union, as far as i can tell this is NOT an occupy event,
this is a unioin driven call, they use the same language (99% and 99%spring) to ligitamise their actions,
this is not corruption of OWS, Occupy or any group acosiated with occupy.

If you look at the signers list on the 99% Spring website you will notice some of the groups sponsoring this nationwide event. One such group, Operation Ruckus (aptly named), has been a key element in the Occupy Oakland Bunch. Ruckus is a known group of agitators who have left their mark all over Occupy Oakland events. As recently as yesterday in Sacramento when they intentionally clashed with police and another group of protestors. They hurled rocks and bottles at the police and the other group of protestors who were exercising their right of free speech.
www.theblaze.com...

Their is a distinct element of Occupy that believes that free speech only applies to them.

reply to post by jibeho


no f &S for this HATE preach from DHS Central HQ

let's hope your and others authoritarian fantasies come true

and occupy is violently crushed

the next wave of protests will make all you system justifiers crap yourselves

and too late you will realize that by brown nosing for the scum in DC and on wall st

you helped them destroy freedom in the us

"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable."- J.F. Kennedy

and make no mistake TCOTBIP want a violent uprising, and you are helping them accomplish that


for those who still have a functioning non sheeple brain. every one else can phk themselves
a non violent methodology that works:

During the American Revolution, only 15% of the colonists supported independence, and only 5%
actually participated. Extrapolated to today's population, and those numbers represent 45 million
and 15 million, respectively. I submit that an even greater percentage are awake and would be
willing to participate in a new revolution. But must it be armed?
The police state control grid has been under construction for decades, and is near complete, if not
already finished. They are ready to deal swiftly and cruelly with your “revolution”, and they're
fully comfortable and unworried that you're prepared to take up arms against them. Our police are
fully militarized, their ranks swelled with military veterans trained to destroy the enemy – which,
whether anyone realizes it or not, is now you. Recruitment policies have favored those of lower
IQ, those who are not smart enough to question immoral orders – such as torturing for noncompliance,
also known as tasering, ten year old children or octogenarians who pose no physical
threat to them; not smart enough to understand the Constitution or their oath to uphold it, and
who are more likely to get off on pushing other people around.
Foreign national police and military forces infest us, and Posse Comitatus – the law forbidding
military presence on American soil – has been reversed. A web of FEMA detention camps spans
the entire country to imprison the millions who will not comply. One need only examine the
police and military response to Hurricane Katrina, where summary judgment – often involving
execution – was handed out on the spot, and the military went door to door confiscating weapons
from law abiding homeowners, leaving them defenseless against the criminals roaming the streets,
to know that these chemically lobotomized, brainwashed thugs will have no problem stamping
your face into the dirt, fellow American or not. And if you are unaware of what went on during
the G20 summit in Pittsburgh, 2009, you will want to acquaint yourself with it.

Leaderless Resistance

And the taxpayer, not content with thus ruining political science, added insult to injury by
damning all its chief ornaments as thieves, and by swearing that he would never let them
rook him again. His bellow was now for the most rigid economy, and he swore that he
would have it if the heavens fell. There was no holding him while the fit was on him. In
many American cities public expenditures were actually reduced. – H.L. Mencken, What is
Going on in the World, Vol. 30, No. 119 (November 1933) pp. 259-260

Where does the State draw its support and funding from to pay for our own enslavement, to
prepare for our inevitable rebellion? Funding and support comes from you. From me. From anyone
who voluntarily supports Leviathan. You are conditioned to think that death and taxes are certain,
but, while you can't escape death, taxes are indeed voluntary and the State is powerless to enforce
their illegal theft so long as enough people refuse to cooperate with it.
During the Great Depression there was such a tax revolt. Not everyone participated in it but it was
sufficient enough in numbers that the government was powerless to do anything about it. They
could only hire people to go door to door begging – begging – people to pay their taxes. What a
glorious example of the real power we, the People, have over even such a grotesque, power-bloated
government. They begged them to pay their taxes. They didn't SWAT team their houses, shoot
their dog, and throw them in jail. They begged them to allow the State to rob them. Let that sink in.

The biggest problem we have now, particularly since the Great Depression, is that spirit of self
sovereignty has been gradually eroded away, so that most Americans not only feel that they must
pay their taxes, even if such taxes are illegal, but that it is their lawful, patriotic duty to do so, and
they are more than happy to do it – anyone who does not is a cheat and a scoundrel and un-
American. Would that I had a dime for every person who got angry at me for telling them that not
only was the State robbing them and their children of their wealth and prosperity, that this theft
was an example of their slavery, but that none of it was legal in the first place.
The only real revolution that will deliver true liberty is a revolution of consciousness. This
revolution demands that you stop looking outward for leaders and saviors, and be your own leader,
your own savior. Within your own mind lies simultaneously the problem and the solution to all
your problems.
You must lead, but you must not allow anyone to follow you, except to encourage them to be their
own leaders. And we must recognize the innate power we as a collective have, that no matter how
powerful the State becomes, it can only function if the people grabs it by the heel and places it
upon their own necks. This is the genius behind the scam, but also the beauty behind the solution:
stop empowering it. Do not vote. Do not pay taxes. Do not join or allow anyone you know to join
the military. Do not invest or spend your money in the mega-corporations, particularly the banks,
which control our government. Become self-sufficient: save your money. Buy gold and silver. Get
off the grid. Produce your own food, water, heat, and electricity. Arm yourself. Educate yourself.
Turn your attention inward. Only you can save you.
Movements and groupthink are nothing but avenues for us to relinquish responsibility for our own
actions, or inactions; for us to play the victim. We stand outside their buildings waxing hysterical
about truth and justice, and they laugh at us as their hired thugs – the militarized police – tear gas
us and assault us with batons, attack dogs and sound cannons. Face it, folks: the game is rigged.
They've very carefully and meticulously created this matrix over generations with nothing but
their own aggrandizement and perpetuation in mind. They haven't come this far to let a mob of
people clamoring for justice stop them.
It is difficult to wrap your head around, because it is part of your programming. Fighting tyranny
and injustice is the American way. The Matrix we live under does not have at its source some
external influence. The global power elite are not aliens (well, maybe they are...), they're not gods
or supervillains. They are a manifestation of the diseased egoic mindset of the collective. They are
you. They are me. If you want justice for these crimes you just as well might wrap the noose
around your own neck.
The only justice to be had in this world is to accept responsibility for your actions, or inactions, and
do what must be done to change. Be the change you wish to see in the world. Take responsibility.
It is ridiculously simple yet staggeringly difficult. We hate them, and yet we think we need them,
or at least someone who will serve us better. For as long as the current egoic malaise exists in the
collective psyche, you can hang all the David Rockefellers and Donald Rumsfelds you like, and
more will simply take their place. Take it to the bank.
This state of the world will change when you change. If you feel like change cannot take place
until enough other people change, then change will never take place. Change only takes place
when you step into your own power, and jealously guard that power and let no one have it. You
are part of the collective, and your own personal awakening evolves the collective towards
consciousness and freedom. The journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step. That is all
you can do, and it is enough.
***
My solution is the eradication of society and the State that inevitably accompanies it. That entails,
and would be brought about by, taking a great measure of responsibility for one's own life and
health that, unfortunately, most people are just not willing to shoulder. This is why they deny the
severity of the crisis. This is why they willfully accept lies. Rational acceptance of current reality
requires responsibility and hard work. Television, fashion trends, pop culture and corporate mega
sporting obsessions just don't fit into this equation.
Because of this, there will be a great deal of suffering, including Americans turning on each other
knowing nothing about how to fend for themselves except to beat another over the head and steal
what the other has. Not knowing how to grow food, they will starve, or suffer from malnutrition
and disease, once the currency can no longer buy it, if there's any on the shelves at that point
anyway. This seems extraordinary and extreme, I realize, but when the above scenarios play
themselves out, as is impossible to avoid, what do you think will be the result? Life as you know it,
more or less, continuing as it is?
Surely someone more important and smarter than we are will figure it all out. Never mind that
they are the same “smarter” and “more important” thieves and murderers who created the crisis in
the first place; they have told us they have it all under control, so we should just continue basking
in stupidity, continue reveling in ignorance. This is about as intelligent as employing an arsonist as
a firefighter. For many, blindly hoping or assuming everything will work itself out for the better is
the only solution they're capable of or willing to accept. Get away and shield and protect yourself
from these people with extreme prejudice.

SOURCE:
consciousresonance.net...
gnosis474.blogspot.com...





www.abovetopsecret.com...

reply to post by jibeho


This is Saul Alinsky type training. They might as well be Marxist guerillas like the Sandinistas. They just throw rocks. These people represent Soros, not the Freedom Fighters. I'm sure some of them believe what they are doing is right, but it's so misguided. I found some info on Medea Benjamin recently, and anything she touches is tainted with Soros and Alinsky.
If we look at the typical Hegelian type activity, we see the problem, reaction, solution. The solution the Occupiers bring is geared toward a Soros Socialist "direct democracy" under the guise of a people's revolution. Soros is letting the anarchist view of many of the supporters to stir things up into a frenzy. He can use the dissatisfaction of disenfranchised people to do the work for him.

reply to post by DerepentLEstranger


There are some here who do not have some authoritarian fantasy. Quite the opposite. Can you really look us in the face and with a straight face tell us the ##snipped## is not an authoritarian dictator, with all his Executive Orders so he can go around Congress? I mean we heard him say he could get a lot more done without that pesky Congress, and indeed he went to Libya without Congress.
Do you really believe the ##snipped## cared that the police were macing the Occupiers? Do you think he really cared about all that stuff getting thrown in the trash? He knows that half of it came from Soros anyway. The whole thing has been quite the ruse.

In fact, you really don't know who you are talking to when you insult people here who don't sign on to all the socialistic fantasies of a Utopian society where everybody's needs are taken care of by the Nanny State.

TCOTBIP want a violent uprising, and you are helping them accomplish that

Yes, you are.

reply to post by paleorchid13


What makes you think you can overturn more than a century of control and manipulation by the Rothschilds and other bankers/controllers in just a few months of a group of agitators camping out in some parks? Are you that naive? I appreciate the desire for change but be realistic about what is going on. Besides that, the very things the Occupy group is demanding are right in line with the Soros World Socialism, so I'm inclined to think the whole thing is designed by him from the start. We know that his fingers are on this with the Ruckus Society.

Yikes! Talk about a motley crew

The 99% Spring Signers:

Sarita Gupta
Jobs With Justice

Bob King
United Auto Workers

George Goehl
National Peoples Action

Ai-jen Poo
National Domestic Workers Alliance

Justin Ruben
MoveOn.org

Joy Cushman & Judith Freeman
New Organizing Institute

Liz Butler
Movement Strategy Center

John Sellers and Andrew Boyd
The Other 98%

Mary Kay Henry
Service Employees International Union

Van Jones and Natalie Foster
Rebuild the Dream

John Wilhelm
UNITE-HERE

Phil Radford
Greenpeace

John Cavanagh
Institute for Policy Studies

Scott Reed
PICO National Network

Tracy Van Slyke and Ilana Berger
New Bottom Line

Leo Gerard
United Steel Workers

Daniel Cantor
Working Families Party

Larry Cohen
Communications Workers of America

Victor Sanchez Jr
United States Student Association

Becky Tarbotton
Rainforest Action Network

Randi Weingarten
American Federation of Teachers

Brian Kettenring
Leadership Center for the Common Good

Randy Jackson
UNITY

Saket Soni
National Guestworker Alliance

Bill McKibben and May Boeve
350.org

Sharon Lungo and Megan Swoboda
The Ruckus Society

Ian Inaba
Citizen Engagement Lab

Patrick Reinsborough and Doyle Canning
smartMeme Strategy & Training Project

Rachel LaForest
Right to the City Alliance

Brigid Flaherty
Pushback Network

Richard Hopson
Alliance of Californians for Community Empowerment

Tim Carpenter
Progressive Democrats of America

Bob Callahan
Change to Win

Michael Leon Guerrero
Grassroots Global Justice Alliance

Roger Hickey
Campaign for America’s Future

Aaron Ostrom
Fuse Washington

Jeff Ordower
Missourians Organizing for Reform and Empowerment

Karen Scharff
Citizen Action of New York

Marianne Manilov
Engage

Bruce Klipple
United Electrical Workers Union

Pablo Alvarado
National Day Laborers Organizing Network

LeeAnn Hall
Alliance for a Just Society

Leslie Moody
The Partnership for Working Families

Teresa Cheng
United Students Against Sweatshops

Arturo Carmona
Presente.org

Quite telling if you hadn't already figured out who is running this show.

reply to post by DerepentLEstranger


I don't think that you've read all of my posts in this thread. If this 99% Spring movement takes the turn for the worse (seems inevitable), our entire nation will be in for a rude awakening all brought about be such a "peaceful" bunch of misguided misfits. They are creating their own destiny that will be completely controlled by all of that which they despise. The resources of the major cities involved last year are already tapped and I would expect little tolerance in the future. Perhaps the bugs will get squashed before the infestation begins. Nip it...

Be careful what you wish for.... Chicago in May will be completely controlled by the Secret Service, DHS and the FBI. The local police will be simply serving as deputies of the Federal authority.

reply to post by METACOMET


Indeed! I find the ruckus society (muscle behind Occupy Oakland) to be quite an amusing bunch. Their site is full of scheduled "training events" covering just about every possible cause under the progressive umbrella.

www.ruckus.org...

reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus


you are barking up the wrong tree
or confusing me with some one else

and i am no friend of ##SNIPPED##, the emperor of amerika
who thinks he has power over life and death, let him, try that on me...

go back and read my post again

a violent revolution will be crushed, ergo it is stupid to even promote such a thing

stop paying taxes, stop voting, stop giving your consent, and stop fantasizing that the system can be fixed.

correct me if i'm wrong
but aren't you one of millions lubing themselves up for the big screwing y'all are gonna get next november [irrespective of who wins]?

edit to add:

and no i don't think occupy or any mass movement susceptible to infiltration and subversion is going to accomplish much other than serve as sacrificial lambs to wake people up when they're shot like dogs in the street.

unlike the system justifiers i do not class them as criminals, nor idiotically accuse them of bringing on a police state,
the guilty parties in that respect are the state, it's agents and justifiers/beneficiaries.

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
reply to post by paleorchid13

 

What makes you think you can overturn more than a century of control and manipulation by the Rothschilds and other bankers/controllers in just a few months of a group of agitators camping out in some parks? Are you that naive? I appreciate the desire for change but be realistic about what is going on. Besides that, the very things the Occupy group is demanding are right in line with the Soros World Socialism, so I'm inclined to think the whole thing is designed by him from the start. We know that his fingers are on this with the Ruckus Society.

I don't think that at all, hence why I referred to this being a much deeper issue ,that will take high organization and motivation from a cohesive group of citizens which I question our ability to do. I never claimed to say that OWS was an answer or solution, nor am I doubting there are people with good intentions mixed up in all this either ..all I'm saying is that if anything, hopefully it rouses people enough to start paying attention to whats going on ...As Rollins says "people need to find that ember of rage" ....I personally don't care where it comes from ..but hundreds of thousands of people Freakin out should grab peoples attention .:..maybe that's the naive part ..

Originally posted by jibeho
reply to post by DerepentLEstranger

 

I don't think that you've read all of my posts in this thread. If this 99% Spring movement takes the turn for the worse (seems inevitable), our entire nation will be in for a rude awakening all brought about be such a "peaceful" bunch of misguided misfits. They are creating their own destiny that will be completely controlled by all of that which they despise. The resources of the major cities involved last year are already tapped and I would expect little tolerance in the future. Perhaps the bugs will get squashed before the infestation begins. Nip it...

Be careful what you wish for.... Chicago in May will be completely controlled by the Secret Service, DHS and the FBI. The local police will be simply serving as deputies of the Federal authority.

translation: "don't piss off our masters cause it will be worse for the rest of us"[chains rattling in the background]
see above reply to 3rdeyeofhorus

reply to post by jibeho


Protest and revolution are summer events.. I thought this would happen if the occupy made it through the winter months...

reply to post by ANOK


Government is the favorite tool of Statists. But just because the Occupiers are not "politicians" doesn't mean they are not Statists. The Occupiers want the most Statist policies put in place. They are not Freedom Fighters for LIberty, they are fighting for a piece of the Wall Street Pie and more government regulations. All this "direct democracy" nonsense is just more socialist stuff.

reply to post by DerepentLEstranger

but aren't you one of millions lubing themselves up for the big screwing y'all are gonna get next november [irrespective of who wins]?

I'm not really sure what you meant by this. If you are referring to my being a Republican, yes I am because Republican is still the better of the two parties, even amidst the corruption of both parties. I do recognize the corruption and the so-called Neo-con RINOzation of the Republicans which is why I told the NPR reporter outside my polling place that I voted for Ron Paul because he is less Establishment than the others and that he is fighting for our liberties.
Thank you for your clarification on your stand though.
Here is my clarification on my position. Current POTUS is the emissary of Darth Oreo and I will vote for whoever opposes him.

On second thought, it seems like you are saying that no matter who wins its gonna be bad, and for the most part I agree. I have little confidence in the Republican Party right now. People who say they want to repeal the worst piece of legislation since the Federal Reserve Act are the very ones who put it in place on the State level. I have ltitle confidence in their ability to move us away from Statism and communism.

reply to post by paleorchid13


I suppose it will rouse people the same way the Greece riots are. I'm not so sure that's a great idea. But something needs to happen because the control is so much it is as if we are all chained up by so many regulations and rules. Just like John Stossel said in his report on the 'evil fox news", we are bound by regulations. Too bad the Occupiers want more regulations.