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Originally posted by Kali74
reply to post by Deplume
They've been active all winter. Just because you didn't hear about it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. They're quite active today as matter of fact, let's see if you can find out what they're doing today.
Originally posted by ANOK
All socialists are power hungry authoritarians. They fear walking alone, since that will threaten their exercise of authority over others, which is why they tend to run in packs. They are fearful little men, who find refuge in crowds. They expect the weight of "the masses" to bend to their will.
What a load of nonsense. I'm not sure how to even reply to such paranoid nonsense.
The problems in Central America had nothing to do with the workers ownership of the means of production. What they call socialism has nothing to do with the traditional socialism I am talking about.
You have to learn to look at socialism as an economic system outside of all the BS that has been attached to it due to failed political systems over the years. Socialism is not the problem, it's when it is violently apposed by forces greater than itself that causes the failure.
When the workers own the means of production, it would be very difficult for a single authority to gain ultimate control.
I apologise for the school comment.
Again, what you went through is not what I am talking about. Revolution is not a requirement for socialism. Capitalism is far more violent, and has killed far more people than anything that can be incorrectly associated with socialism. From the obvious, wars in the ME, property crime, starving in Africa, to the not so obvious like millions of industrial accidents. The list is long, but you can probably justify them, can't you?
ONE of us is naive, that's for sure. You seem to be laboring under the illusion that organization can somehow be unorganized or disorganized. That appears to be the same mistake OWS made, yet you've not learned from that. Organization without a hierarchy of power structure is not an organization at all - it's a self-destructive mob.
Central to anarchism is the belief that people can organize themselves to efficiently meet their needs, without top-down hierarchies, coercion, or rewards and punishments. People will make mistakes, because we are imperfect, but we can learn from our mistakes and improve over time. This is the belief in freedom. Anarchism is usually presented as the most extreme form of a belief in freedom. It has often been said that anarchism is a synthesis of classical liberalism — carried to its extreme — and socialism. Another historical name for anarchism (and antistatist Marxism) is “libertarian socialism.”
You only think like that because that is what you've been taught (conditioned) to believe. Freedom under capitalism is a privilege of the wealthy capitalist owners, not 'we the people'.
Originally posted by ANOK
Yes in capitalist organizations. Socialism is a different way of organising that is directly democratic, it doesn't work on the same principles capitalist organisations do. All true left wing ideology is based on bottom-up organisation as apposed to top-down.
It sounds more like you should be apposed to capitalism not socialism. Maybe my comment about your education wasn't so far off...
Again you are misunderstanding what socialism is. Socialism is the workers ownership of the means of production.
It's not a hive.
It's not state control.
Workers have to organise in order to have a collective voice against the collective voice of capitalism.
Doing it by yourself is the capitalist approach that excludes the community and is inherently self serving.
There is nothing moral in being a staunch individualist, it's nothing but narcissism out of control perpetuated by the system that it benefits.
Second, global corporations disdain civil society. They've created a culture of organizational narcissism, where workers pledge allegiance to the enterprise. Corporate employees live in a bubble, where they log obscene hours and then vacation with their co-workers. Multinationals develop their own code of ethics and worldview separate from that of any national state. Corporate executives don't care about the success or failure of any particular country, only the growth and profitability of their global corporation. (Many large corporations pay no U.S. income tax; in 2009 Exxon Mobil actually got a $156 M rebate.)
5 Reasons Capitalism Has Failed
St Paul's Cathedral to the delight of the majority of British citizens.
Originally posted by bekod
reply to post by jibeho
Oh that's just fine get checks from an unknown source!!!! Taliban and other terror groups come to mind that would be willing to fund the upheaval of the USA, one more reason I do not back the OWS one must know who and how you are being funded .