The 99% Spring... Get ready for it... The previous antics were just a test for the big call

Originally posted by Kali74
reply to post by beezzer

 

And as I have said a million times that was released by a group within OWS, which OWS itself makes that seperation clear even though they remain in the "same space". I actually wrote a thread about this group the other day. At any rate what specifically about that list gets you all huffy?

Again, not the identification that there are problems.

Just their (your) solution to the problems. If I have more time tomorrow, I'll go through it step by step, but it's late here, having a nightcap and going to bed soon.

Originally posted by jibeho
If they had any legitimate interest in our political system they would be using different tactics altogether. They would have candidates in place and forums to discuss policy development like adults. I don't see that happening.

So you're saying people should not have the right to be involved in politics without being politicians?

That I think is the problem.

Wake up people and stop putting your faith in the political system, it doesn't work. Real change will never come from government. Government is the tool of the capitalists, they're not about to change how the economy is ran and controlled.

Don't vote, organise!

Political parties, no matter who's side they claim to be on, cannot be trusted...

It is true that Caroline Lucas shows her face at campaign meetings for more than just a photoshoot and some self-promotion (yes, we’re looking at you Nancy Platt), but history shows that wherever the Greens have got into power they have behaved just like any other capitalist party.

In Germany, the Green Party in government sent riot police against protesters trying to stop nuclear waste being transported through their communities – precisely the kind of green activism they had once supported. In 2001 they supported the invasion of Afghanistan as part of a coalition government. In Ireland too the Green Party went from vocal supporters of the ‘Shell to Sea’ movement against the Corrib gas project to actually implementing it. Green minister Eamon Ryan is now in charge of the project, the Greens having dropped their election promises in order to enter a coalition government.

Much the same can be said of the new Trade Union and Socialist Coalition. We all know what happened the last time a party of union bureaucrats got into power: the Labour Party. And we should dispel any nostalgia for ‘Old Labour’ from the off – they supported imperialist wars, opposed strikes and imposed austerity measures on the working class from their very inception: just like every other party that finds itself trying to balance the budget of the capitalist state.

The closer politicians get to power, the more like the rest they become, however well-intentioned and full of integrity they may start out. If Caroline Lucas does get in, she’ll be a lone voice of dissent. This will do her credibility on the left a lot of good, but will mean she’s not able to actually deliver any of her election promises. That would require a larger contingent of Green MPs… and if we got that, we’re back to the ‘power corrupts’ German/Irish scenario.

propertyistheft.wordpress.com...

Economics control policy, not politics.

Originally posted by bekod
reply to post by jibeho

 

Oh that's just fine get checks from an unknown source!!!! Taliban and other terror groups come to mind that would be willing to fund the upheaval of the USA, one more reason I do not back the OWS one must know who and how you are being funded .

The upheavel of the USA has certainly not been caused by the OWS movement, it is a reaction that has been caused by people becoming more aware of just how corrupt our government has become, and understanding who is actually in control, and it's not the people! Coming up with $5400 a month with 1000's of citizens willing to contribute is not that hard, and to imply the Taliban is somehow involved is a "red herring" in this conversation.

reply to post by MountainLaurel
well do not be shocked when the FBI says "OWS received moneys form the Taliban" but then any one could receive funds from them and not know it.

www.youtube.com...

This is a documentary I borrowed from another thread, and I have been posting everywhere I can, because it gives some important perceptive on what is happening in the world right now. I hope people will take time to watch it, well worth the time.

Originally posted by Asktheanimals
reply to post by jibeho

 

So OWS just wants to be in Chicago so they can get their heads bashed in too?
IF nonviolent confrontation and non-compliance is off the list then there is only one option left and it's not voting either.
I understand the cynicism but that's a mighty broad brush your waving.

Adbusters is calling for Action during the Chicago G8/NATO Summit

Adbusters jumped onboard the NATO/G8 protest bandwagon last week, and in the process pushed Occupy Chicago further into the national (and international) spotlight.

Unfortunately, they did this without contacting Occupy Chicago beforehand, and in a manner that invoked the police violence of the 1968 Democratic Convention protests.

That Adbusters were acting unilaterally is evident from reading their January 25 announcement with even a vague working knowledge of Occupy Chicago and the existing plans for protest around the NATO/G8 summits — the kind of knowledge you could get easily from the mainstream media. Aside from the incendiary rhetoric and imagery, and the fact that it doesn’t once mention the existing Occupy movement in Chicago or link to their site, “Tactical Briefing #25″ also includes a list of demands that were neither drafted nor endorsed by any Occupy movement.

There’s no doubt that the Adbusters announcement got a lot of people excited: Mostly those from outside of Chicago who relished the chance to grab a tent and head on down for May 1 (a date that itself is problematic, given how far ahead of the summits it is and the fact that Chicago activism’s own May Day traditions tend to focus on labor and immigration). On local Twitter accounts and the OccupyChi.org forums, however, the excitement was tempered with confusion that rapidly turned into annoyance and even anger as it became clear that AdBusters had done this on their own.

The fractured pieces of this movement will all converge in Chicago in May. What happens after... Your guess is probably just as good as mine.

ADbusters stirred quite the pat by invoking the Chicago 8 and the 1968 riot. There is some serious infighting within the fractured elements and they will all come to meet in Chicago in May.

But individual participants have been willing to express their concerns. These include Serena Himmelfarb, who was quoted in a piece that ran on In These Times‘ Uprising blog entitled “Adbusters’ Call for Chicago Occupation Rankles Some in Movement” (the title and focus of this piece no doubt also rankled some in the movement).

“Speaking only for myself: I am excited that Adbusters continues to support OWS, but they acted irresponsibly,” Himmelfarb told me.

They acted alone, without regard to what’s already being planned here for the summer. We would have been so excited to collaborate with them in promoting the movement. Just as important is the tone of their call. They chose a violent image to accompany their call to flood our city with activists. In my opinion, there’s NO WAY our GA would have approved Adbusters’ message and image. We don’t want to continue the tradition of ’68, we’re making our own.

A group of Canadians stirring the pot in Chicago.

Good Reading
occupiedchicagotribune.org...

To add to that we have the direct involvement from the Big Labor Groups and Community orgs. all competing for attention and the spotlight. Big Labor is full of hired muscle and professional roust a bouts. Should be an interesting season. I've got family living in Downtown Chicago and they will be out of town in the days immediately surrounding the Summit.

Originally posted by bekod
reply to post by MountainLaurel

 

well do not be shocked when the FBI says "OWS received moneys form the Taliban" but then any one could receive funds from them and not know it.

I wouldn't believe much the FBI has to say, watch the video I just posted, for God's sake we are backing and arming Al Queda to overthrow sovereign countries and murdering thier leaders?! Gaddafi refused to agree to a central bank in his country, and tried to establish a gold backed currency system, within a week of his murder a central bank controled by Rothchild family was established, Yeah, we "liberated" Libya, what a sham....

reply to post by jibeho


Sadly, you're probably right, we saw what happened to the tea party movement.
Authentic movements being hijacked by other interests seems the order of the day.
Makes it impossible to tell when an authentic movement is actually occurring.

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Sorry, it was joke, an Ironic statement.

Excuse my sense of humour.

reply to post by jibeho

Adbusters is calling for Action during the Chicago G8/NATO Summit

I'm not trying to be rude to you but much of what you say makes go "huh?".

Okay Adbusters calling for an action during the G8, I don't know why this would raise red flags.

The fractured pieces of this movement will all converge in Chicago in May. What happens after... Your guess is probably just as good as mine.

The movement has never been fractured. again, I have to wonder why Occupy or Adbusters calling for action (action generally means protest) would worry you. It makes perfect for sense for both.

Disagreements are part of the natural course for any group of people. That's how they evolve or disolve. I think Occupy is more than capable of evolving as a result of disagreement. I wouldn't call it infighting.

To add to that we have the direct involvement from the Big Labor Groups and Community orgs. all competing for attention and the spotlight. Big Labor is full of hired muscle and professional roust a bouts. Should be an interesting season. I've got family living in Downtown Chicago and they will be out of town in the days immediately surrounding the Summit.

Many times Occupy will have an action in support of or in solidarity with rank and file union members. Unions are a key part if not the life blood of workers rights. I recognize and so does Occupy that there's corruption at the top of a lot of unions (so do the rank and file). That does not mean one should shake in their boots every time the word union comes up.

Originally posted by jibeho

So, they want to train in our churches and schools eh?? For What!!
Wouldn't it be convenient for the current administration if all this unrest that they have planned trickles into the November Election. Widespread civil unrest could actually suspend the election. That would be just ok for the sitting POTUS.

OMG the commies are coming!!!!

Oh wait, it's just people that don't want to be ripped off by the super rich anymore.

And there is no way Santorum or Romney can beat Obama. Santorum is an American Ayatollah. Romney is bleh. (Obama ain't good either, but those guys somehow make him look better)

reply to post by Kali74

I'm not trying to be rude to you but much of what you say makes go "huh?".

The feeling is mutual sometimes. I'm trying to be as clear as possible. In my last post regarding Chicago I linked to a story detailing the growing rift between the fractured groups. Yes, they are fractured because they clearly have different agendas. Read the article. Adbusters is supposed to be the founder of this movement and groups are certainly changing according to their own "General Assemblies"

Adbusters calling for action at the G8/NATO should raise a red flag for all. The flags are certainly up in Chicago. This joint summit is a first in over 30 years and one of historic mention. Read up on the 1968 DNC riots in Chicago and read up on the Chicago 8. All images dredged up by Adbusters on their website. Not good images for most Chicagoans.

Red Flag.

Security in Chicago will be unprecedented an the zero tolerance approach from law enforcement will be memorable for all of those wishing to push the limits. All eyes from around the world will be on Chicago and it won't just be the Occupiers "protesting" here. The agitator from all groups will be present and mixing in with the occupiers.

Let this be the one thing in my posts that make sense to you!!..

The Summits have been declared a National Special Security Event by the US Department of Homeland Security. This places the US Secret Service and FBI in charge. The G8 Summit will be May 19-20, 2012, and the NATO Summit will be May 20-21.

CPD said it's not clear how many protesters there will be.

"At this point 10,000 is a place holder. We'll be ready if it's 2,000. We'll be ready if it's 100,000," Kirby said.

By a 45-to-four vote, the City Council approved changes to Chicago's protest rules pushed by Mayor Rahm Emanuel. The majority overcame any concerns about stifling dissent and agreed the new rules were needed ahead of the summits in may.

Public parks will open two hours later at 6 a.m., and amplified sound will be restricted during overnight hours.

Chicago's police superintendent will have also the authority to deputize out-of-state police.

The president Has declared this a National Special Security Event, which means the Secret Service will take command at all the summit sites, hotels and events.

There will be hundreds, if not thousands, of federal agents in Chicago.

www.myfoxchicago.com...

Glad this 99% training event will occur prior to the May Summits!

reply to post by pirhanna

Oh wait, it's just people that don't want to be ripped off by the super rich anymore.

How can 50% of the population that pays no federal taxes, receives public assistance on multiple fronts, relies on the govt for cell phones etc etc actually get ripped off by the so called 1%? You do realize that it is the govt that is ripping all of them off right? It is the govt. that has taken great strides to create a dependent class in this nation. It is the govt. that continues to manipulate and marginalize the very middle class that they claim to be defending.

The 50% that actually do pay taxes in this nation will eventually reach a tipping point too! I like the Super rich. I work for the super rich. My wife works for the super rich. I don't want what they have. Nor do I need what they have. I like what I have and what I have earned for myself and for my family.

reply to post by jibeho


The "99%" have been ripped off for the last 200 years or so, because the worker under capitalism has to produce more than they are paid for, in order for the capitalist to make profit.

The only reason we have to rely on government handouts is because the very nature of capitalism is artificial scarcity, including 'jobs'. Artificial scarcity of resources in order to maintain high profit, artificial scarcity of jobs due to capitalists removing their contribution to the economy.

If the workers owned the means of production profit would not be the priority, providing for our needs would be.

Technological capacity to produce enough to satisfy everyone's needs already exists globally and has done so for many decades. Yet needs continue to remain unmet on a massive scale. Why? Quite simply because scarcity is a functional requirement of capitalism itself.

Artificial scarcity

reply to post by jibeho

Yes, they are fractured because they clearly have different agendas. Read the article. Adbusters is supposed to be the founder of this movement and groups are certainly changing according to their own "General Assemblies"

Adbusters is not the founder of the movement in any way except in one of their magazines they did an article about the 1% after the article they added that people should show up en masse in NYC and bring tents to Occupy Wall Street. That's it, that's how this all started, and I think at 1st like 10 people showed up including two guys from Adbusters. One way or another civil unrest was going to start in the US.

The agitator from all groups will be present and mixing in with the occupiers.

I'm glad you noted that and in that you are probably right. It has been shown several times that "police" have incited 90% of the violence when violence has occured. This should never mean people cower down.

Glad this 99% training event will occur prior to the May Summits!

If the government uses this as any kind of training excercise than that is on the government and really it only means that things are much worse than we feared and it would happen somewhere, somehow, regardless of anything. When did it become okay to be governed by fear?

To me this is all the more reason to get out there and yell at the top of your lungs that we will not stand for this BS anymore. Corporations will not control us through OUR government. It is ours, the peoples...honestly after all this time it still smacks me in the face that more people aren't out in the streets protesting, let alone condemning those that do.

If everyone knew the horrors of war, suppressed technology, oil scams, lies, silenced whistle blowers, planed scarcity, ecosystem destruction, secret societies we're all against YOU and to make YOU a slave to a broken system that is molded to only satisfies a greedy minority that stands in the way of world peace, end of hunger and unlimited free energy...no one would look down on people participating in causes like OWS and without the social pressure of being out of the norm, those people, although misguided in some sort, would be honored.

I hope it's not too late to educate and make the people wake up.

Originally posted by Kali74
honestly after all this time it still smacks me in the face that more people aren't out in the streets protesting, let alone condemning those that do.

It's because they don't know or don't care. Sadly those 2 groups are the majority and the "don't care" group is quite large. Those ones won't do anything until SHTF

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this is a protest directly from the AEU
auto engineers union,
as far as i can tell this is NOT an occupy event,
this is a unioin driven call,
they use the same language (99% and 99%spring) to ligitamise their actions,
this is not corruption of OWS, Occupy or any group acosiated with occupy.

this is a big labour group AEU trying to gain some form of ligitamacy by COPYING the language of OWS,

there is no co-option going on other than language.

i support anyone and anygroup in their struggle, if non violent pieceful civil action is agreed.
as long as they distence themselves from occupy, if they are non sanctioned as is in this case,
then spread the 99% message,

this helps from causing problems.

TO ALL CALLING THIS A CO-OPTION
you are simply missing the bigger point,
the unions are NOW FORCED TO ACT FOR THE BENIFIT OF THEIR PEOPLE

in any case occcupy language being used is proof the language of occupy is working.
every person is free to use the occupy language,
but to try to "look" like occupy is obviously because the people in the unions want action,

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Oh boy! More poop in the street, more pi$$ in the gutters, more rapes, more people OD'ing on hard drugs, more ambulance calls, more people living in tents instead of under the bridge with the trolls, more people doing nothing but sitting around waiting for their gov't checks, and everybody smells. Just my kind of party...not.

Originally posted by Nite_wing
Oh boy! More poop in the street, more pi$$ in the gutters, more rapes, more people OD'ing on hard drugs, more ambulance calls, more people living in tents instead of under the bridge with the trolls, more people doing nothing but sitting around waiting for their gov't checks, and everybody smells. Just my kind of party...not.

wow the cliches are thick and fast with this one,
take to red pills, stop watchin MSM and call me in the morning.

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