Revelation prophecy; the futility of date-setting

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posted on Jul, 8 2012 @ 12:21 PM
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A set of calculations that I've quoted previously on this thread (middle of Page 7) suggested that on April 11th 2012 "a Pope would start or leave office". This was on the basis that it was 1260 days after a date in 2008.
Again , this did not happen.
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posted on Jul, 8 2012 @ 02:19 PM
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Similarly it was suggested in the same thread that 4th July 2012 would be the date when Obama was "removed from office". This too was on the basis of the lapse of 1260 days.
Obviously this hasn't happened either.



posted on Jul, 11 2012 @ 01:52 AM
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Gosh, it is difficult, not to be allowed to post an entire message from
Heaven. Read the latest message to Maria in Ireland, Maria of Divine
Mercy.

It is about the "soon" Great Warning. It could happen early next year,
only God knows. The state of the world will be terrible, much worse
than now.

Take advantage of the two prayers given, believe them, there is much
grace attached. Pray them as Our Lord states.

Where there is much evil, God's grace abounds. People have lost
sight of the state of their souls, rejected Confession...so God is
trying to reach out. We all agree on one thing, God wishes everyone
to be saved. Our free will, always our choice.

www.thewarningsecondcoming.com... e/


colbe



posted on Jul, 11 2012 @ 02:30 AM
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I don't think this thread gets enough attention for it to be worth somebody taking a piggy-back ride.



posted on Jul, 11 2012 @ 04:12 PM
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Originally posted by DISRAELI
I don't think this thread gets enough attention for it to be worth somebody taking a piggy-back ride.


You know, with the disbelief, the mocking, the New Age BX at ATS,
every thread should be filled with the Truth. One thread is better than none.

Thank you.

A private revelation is on topic. God doesn't give exact dates.
The Great Warning (the 2nd Pentecost) is "soon." It could happen in
2013. If God gave specific dates for divine events, people would
wait till the last moment to change.

www.thewarningsecondcoming.com...



posted on Nov, 22 2012 @ 02:38 PM
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We are now within a month of the much anticipated date, 21st December 2012.

Strictly speaking, this has nothing to do with calculating "Revelation prophecy", because the general "2012" expectation isn't built on that basis.
Indeed, it has nothing to do with the Christian faith. The two belief-systems are polar opposites.

However, some Christians seem to have been caught in that particular trap,
One calculation published on this site, based on the number of days expired since other dates, proposes two events for that date- a "false rapture event" and an "Abomination of Desolation event", with much destruction.

I've also been told, from a Texas member, that some local pastors are predicting the return of Christ for that date.
I'm inclined to doubt that this teaching is coming from any calculations of their own. Nothing in Revelation gives any reason for putting this idea forward.
Surely they must be just jumping on the band-wagon.

I'm sure that the Return of Christ will NOT be on that date, if only because, I suspect, the Biblical God would want to make a point of frustrating human attempts to control his actions in this way.

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posted on Dec, 14 2012 @ 06:26 PM
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OK, so now there's a week to go before the twenty-first of December, and I still hear that a few Christians are getting caught up in that excitement.
I hope that it's only a few.
It's a completely different religion, guys- non-Biblical sources, non-Biblical expectations.
If you're a Christian, you ought to be steering clear of it.



posted on Jan, 12 2014 @ 10:43 AM
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Reminder necessary because the most recent "date calculation" appearing on ATS is the theory of the "blood-red moons" and the return of Christ in relation to 2014-15.

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posted on Oct, 10 2014 @ 05:44 AM
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Although most Christians believe you can't know timing, and usually cite Matthew 24:36 as their proof, the original Greek verb "oiden" is past tense and should be translated into English as "no one has known" or even "no one has known yet" (in 33 A.D.) See Young's Literal Translation - it clarifies some slight misunderstandings that arise in common English language Bibles.

So many other verses indicate that all will be known eventually:

“For nothing is hidden that will not become evident, nor anything secret that will not be known.” Luke 8:17

“These words are concealed and sealed up until the end time.” Daniel 12:9

“If you do not wake up, I will come like a thief, and you will not know at what hour I will come.” Revelation 3:3

“But you, brethren, are not in darkness, that the day would overtake you like a thief.” 1 Thessalonians 5:4

I think that the many astronomical details given in descriptions of future skies during end times prophecies allows us, using modern astronomical software, to search out times when the descriptions given match the skies of the future. Based on these descriptions plus other biblical clues, I believe the Antichrist will be revealed in the middle of the final 7 years on June 6, 2016.

The start of the 7 years happens to be December 21, 2012 - the end of the Long Count in the Mayan Calendar.

The end on December 21, 2019 is a Sabbath, and the first day of winter, and is Kislev 24 in the Hebrew calendar (see Haggai and Matthew for significance)

The skies during the week of 12/21-28/2019 have the sun, moon, and planets moving in ways that act out all major steps of an ancient Jewish wedding ceremony in the sky.

I believe this is Christ (represented astronomically by the Sun) marrying His bride (us on Earth.)

On June 6, 2016 - the planet Venus (Morningstar, Lucifer, Antichrist) has a rare alignment behind/opposite(anti-) the sun (Christ)

It is the 6th day of the sixth month of the year ending in 6 in these years - a 6/6/6 date.

If the Antichrist is shot in the head 1260 days after 12/21/2012, and appears fatally wounded but rises miraculously healed 3 days later (imitating Christ) that will be June 6, 2016

It is exactly one 49 year jubilee after the Israelis took back East Jerusalem and the Temple Mount on June 6, 1967

There is MUCH, MUCH more in some of the books I have written on these subjects:

End Times and 2019 - focuses on the end of the seven years in December 2019

Antichrist 2016-2019 - focuses on the Antichrist and June 2016

I know some will say I'm just hawking my books here but I give the basic answers above for free

I'm just allowing the few who are really interested in the evidence and details to learn more if they choose to.

God Bless,

David Montaigne



posted on Oct, 10 2014 @ 07:08 AM
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originally posted by: AmishElectrician
Although most Christians believe you can't know timing, and usually cite Matthew 24:36 as their proof, the original Greek verb "oiden" is past tense and should be translated into English as "no one has known" or even "no one has known yet" (in 33 A.D.)

This is only half the story. OIDEN is actually a past tense of a verb meaning "see", and grammars of Greek take it as effectively a present tense of "know"
"I have seen" = "I know".
My objection is not based on that verse alone, but also includes the emphatic statement of Acts ch1 v6, "It is not for you to know". The message is that God keeps this kind of information to himself.


So many other verses indicate that all will be known eventually:

Yes, it will be known when it happens. There is nothing there about the timing of the event being known in advance.


“But you, brethren, are not in darkness, that the day would overtake you like a thief.” 1 Thessalonians 5:4

Even this one is not about prior knowledge of timing. It is about being in a permanent state of readiness for an event of unknown timing.
If it were posssble to know the time in advance, it would not be necessary (would it?) for Jesus to teach in parable about the need to be always ready precisely because we don't know when the exact time would be.

The OP pointed out many reasons why attempting exact calculation was a bad idea, and the fate of the myriads of previous exact calculations ought to be a sound warning against putting our trust in any of them.



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posted on Oct, 17 2014 @ 08:39 AM
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Now I see yet another thread doing a "date calculation".
"The 10th Tevet and the Great Tribulation".
Evidently this reminder is still necessary.



posted on Nov, 16 2014 @ 11:38 AM
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A new thread calling Revelation a "jigsaw puzzle" shows us how much this reminder is still needed.





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