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Revelation prophecy; the futility of date-setting

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posted on Nov, 29 2014 @ 09:15 AM
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The truth is that the first day and the last day of each fractal period starts and ends at the start and end of a specific month, except the first day of the second seal / horseman which began on October 14, 2014, anniversary of the battle of Hasting (1066) which launched the British royalty era (see in the blog why it's so important).


Note that October, 13, the day before, was the anniversary of the UFO event at FATIMA in 1917!
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posted on Nov, 29 2014 @ 12:48 PM
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originally posted by: ChristExtra
3) What is unknown is the DAY and the HOUR, not the week, or the month.

This is a pedantic evasion of the clear intention of the statement, namely that we would have no foreknowledge of the timing of the event.
In Acts he talks about not knowing "times or seasons". In telling us that we would not know when to expect the Return, he saw no need to specify every possible unit that man might use as a time-division, because he did not think he was writing a legal document.
He thought he was talking to people who would understand the word "No" as a "No".


4) If Jesus tells the apostles that 'this is not for YOU to know' it is because he speaks to the apostles, and no one else, having lived 2,000 years ago! NOT FOR THE CURRENT CIVILIZATION.

He tells the Apostles "it is not for you to know" because they are human. It is a matter which is not available for human knowledge.
That is confirmed by the words that follow; "...which the Father has fixed by his own authority".
Are you God the Father? If not, then the knowledge will not be available to you.
Until it comes, nobody will know except the Father.


The truth is that 1,260 days is made of FOUR FRACTAL PERIODS, for the FOUR HORSEMEN ending the Christian era (7 fractal periods of the 7 churches), of: 84 days + 168 (84x2) + 336 (168x2) + 672 (33-x2) = 1,260 days! Etc. Etc. Etc.

You seem to think that God is playing with a spiritual slide-rule, trying to juggle events into exact time-intervals.
The problem is that there is NO EVIDENCE WHATEVER that this is how God works. He did not work with exact time-intervals in the events of Bible history, and he never said at any time that he would work like that.
Therefore we have no reason whatever to think that any of these calculations will be valid.
Unless you can prove that God is using the same slide-rule that you are using, you should throw it away.

All these calculations are being made because people have insufficient Faith.
Trying to calculate when God will come is a symptom of impatience, and impatience means that Faith is failing.
Anyone who has Faith will be able to wait patiently for events to happen when they will happen.
We have no need to know anything more, and so the knowledge is not given.



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posted on Nov, 30 2014 @ 01:44 AM
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originally posted by: DISRAELI

originally posted by: ChristExtra
3) What is unknown is the DAY and the HOUR, not the week, or the month.

This is a pedantic evasion of the clear intention of the statement, namely that we would have no foreknowledge of the timing of the event.
In Acts he talks about not knowing "times or seasons". In telling us that we would not know when to expect the Return, he saw no need to specify every possible unit that man might use as a time-division, because he did not think he was writing a legal document.
He thought he was talking to people who would understand the word "No" as a "No".


Note that there is a BIG difference between the Gospels and the Book of Revelation, in terms of data, intentions and narrative.

Secondly, what is pedantic is to put words where there are not. A day is a day, an hour is an hour. In Acts, not knowing the 'times or seasons' is AGAIN for the apostles consumption. They are not concerned by events that will take place 2,000 years later.

In addition, it's a means for Jesus-Christ to maintain a kind of commitment for his followers. If he clearly stated dates it would have been a big mistake for no one would have remembered him after a century or two for these dates would have been far too further in time. A life was about 40 years long. The promises was about 2,000 years long. Far too long to wait. In other words, the intelligence of Jesus was used to grow a faith, not to kill it ab initio.

You seem to forget that if the Book of Revelation is full of data it is for a purpose: knowing the events and the time related to them to better make the hard choices to come!

BUT, he also clearly states seven times at the beginning of the Book of Revelation that 'who have ears will hear'. Why would he need to add this, insisting on it, if it's not to tell us that the ones who want to know and understand will be able to do so.



4) If Jesus tells the apostles that 'this is not for YOU to know' it is because he speaks to the apostles, and no one else, having lived 2,000 years ago! NOT FOR THE CURRENT CIVILIZATION.

He tells the Apostles "it is not for you to know" because they are human. It is a matter which is not available for human knowledge.
That is confirmed by the words that follow; "...which the Father has fixed by his own authority".
Are you God the Father? If not, then the knowledge will not be available to you.
Until it comes, nobody will know except the Father.


This is YOUR interpretation of Christ's words. If the Father has fixed the dates by his own authority, it doesn't mean that those who could know are not humans. The best proof is that even the angels or Christ couldn't know the day or the hour of his return according to some commentators.

The point is that it is NOT the human status that prevents the apostles to know BUT the very nature of the Rapture operation, i.e. too much data to remember (location, name, first, day, hour, etc.), and of course, the fact that they, the apostles, are not directly involved, at their time, in the rapture.

The mistake of most of the 'experts' is to think that the Day of Lord will be just...A day! It will be a day for each Elect, sure, but it will be weeks for the whole operation to happen.



The truth is that 1,260 days is made of FOUR FRACTAL PERIODS, for the FOUR HORSEMEN ending the Christian era (7 fractal periods of the 7 churches), of: 84 days + 168 (84x2) + 336 (168x2) + 672 (336x2) = 1,260 days! Etc. Etc. Etc.

You seem to think that God is playing with a spiritual slide-rule, trying to juggle events into exact time-intervals.
The problem is that there is NO EVIDENCE WHATEVER that this is how God works. He did not work with exact time-intervals in the events of Bible history, and he never said at any time that he would work like that.
Therefore we have no reason whatever to think that any of these calculations will be valid.
Unless you can prove that God is using the same slide-rule that you are using, you should throw it away.


God is not PLAYING. God plans his deeds, like he makes his perfect laws of physics. The laws of physics are the evidence of how God works. There are patterns and schemes, even VERY exact ones.

Therefore there is every reason to think that God works with such calculations.


All these calculations are being made because people have insufficient Faith.
Trying to calculate when God will come is a symptom of impatience, and impatience means that Faith is failing.
Anyone who has Faith will be able to wait patiently for events to happen when they will happen.
We have no need to know anything more, and so the knowledge is not given.


No, these calculations won't prevent to grow ones' faith because it is NOT the timing that could change the faith, but the chances (or the beliefs) to be among the Elect. It is NOT because it's scheduled that we are sure to be among the Elect. The main point of the faith will come from the new paradigm, which is in fact an old one according to what the Old and New Testaments tell us. This paradigm is the understanding that the 'angels' are ETs, and the 'clouds' are ET vessels. Therefore, Jesus-Christ who must return in / on a 'cloud' will come in an extradimensional ET spaceship.

AND THAT IS THE TEST OF THE TRUE FAITH! WHAT ARE THE BELIEFS THAT WILL ALLOW US TO BE RAPTURED? What kind of faith is needed? That's the real question.

This is the core subject of my blog with many proofs. Will the Christians be ready to accept this truth and stay faithful after centuries of lies and secrets?
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posted on Nov, 30 2014 @ 02:23 PM
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originally posted by: ChristExtra
BUT, he also clearly states seven times at the beginning of the Book of Revelation that 'who have ears will hear'. Why would he need to add this, insisting on it, if it's not to tell us that the ones who want to know and understand will be able to do so.

This comes in the context of telling the church how they must deal with persecution and idolatry.
For this purpose, all that is necessary is that they find themselves surrounded by circumstances of persecution and idolatry.
There is no need for them to know in advance when it will come; they just have to deal with it when it does come.
And that sums up the whole purpose of the Book of Revelation.
It is not a timetable. It is just an exhortation urging the persecuted church to remain faithful.


This is YOUR interpretation of Christ's words.

It is the interpretation of everyone who reads the words "You are not meant to know" in honesty and good faith.
Deliberately twisting them round to mean the opposite of what they say is simply perverse.


God is not PLAYING. God plans his deeds, like he makes his perfect laws of physics.

Thta is exactly my point.
God does not play with silly patterns of historical events at exact time intervals,such as the one you are creating from your own imagination.
There is no evidence that anything in the Bible was planned to work out that way, and he has never said at any time that he would make things happen that way.
Furthermore, there is no evidence whatever that he is following YOUR chosen pattern.
There are thousands of these imaginary patterns scattered around the internet. What makes your pattern any more valid than any of the others?


Therefore, Jesus-Christ who must return in / on a 'cloud' will come in an extradimensional ET spaceship.

If you think that Christ NEEDS a spaceship in order to return, you clearly have no grasp at all of the power of God.
That idea completely destroys your credibility as an interpreter of the Bible.


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posted on Dec, 1 2014 @ 02:12 AM
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Let's start with the end...for I will address the other points you raised later.


originally posted by: DISRAELI

Therefore, Jesus-Christ who must return in / on a 'cloud' will come in an extradimensional ET spaceship.

If you think that Christ NEEDS a spaceship in order to return, you clearly have no grasp at all of the power of God.
That idea completely destroys your credibility as an interpreter of the Bible.


A credibility score given by humans are of no interest to me. I would really understand your suffering and frustration of having lost so much time in the wrong direction once you will clearly see in the near future that the Bible is all about a story of interactions between humans and extraterrestrials. I won't make a fight with you about what is the power of God for you don't know me and my experiences. I'd rather believe that you don't have the proper knowledge in science and in ufology to understand the link between religions and extraterrestrials. Here is a study of the so-called clouds used by God, Christ and the angels of the Bible. Here is an extract of one of my articles in my blog.

The Clouds of the Bible are Alien Spacecraft

There are 74 Verses in the Bible showing that THE CLOUDS ARE ALIEN VESSELS.

JESUS ​​WILL BE BACK IN A CLOUD according to the Bible.

MATTHEW 24
30 Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

There are 83 Verses in the Bible showing that THE ANGELS ARE ALIENS.

THE WAR IN HEAVEN is a war between malevolent and benevolent extraterrestrial aliens. THE WAR OF ARMAGEDDON is a war between the benevolent extraterrestrials and the humans who will not be saved.


Based on this list of 74 verses (see below at the end of the article) showing that the clouds are actually multi-dimensional alien spacecraft, I sorted the characteristics of these so-called clouds in the verses where they are indicated as such. Of course, two or three of these features can be found in a single verse. Here are some amazing results:

THE CLOUDS AS A MEANS OF TRANSPORT:

He made ​​the clouds his chariot: 1 time
Psalm 104: 3.

The Lord rides on a swift cloud: 1
Isaiah 19: 1.

fly like the clouds: 2
Isaiah 60: 8.
Jeremiah 4:13.

taken to a / the (es) cloud (s): 4
Acts 1: 9.
1 Thessalonians 4:17
Revelation 11:12; 14:16

the cloud lifted: 7
Exodus 40:36; 40:37.
Numbers 9:17; 9:21; 9:22; 10:11; 24:10.

entering IN a pillar of cloud: 11
Exodus 13:21; 13:22; 14:19; 33: 9; 33:10.
Numbers 12: 5; . 14:14.
Deuteronomy 31:15
Nehemiah 9:12; 9:19.
Psalm 99: 7.

coming IN, or entering IN / the (es) cloud (s): 13
Exodus 16:10; cf. 19: 9; 24:16; 24:18; . 34: 5
Numbers 11:25
Deuteronomy 1:33.
1 Kings 8:12.
Mark 13:26.
Luke 9:34; 21:27.
Revelation 10:1; 11:12.

coming ON or sitting ON a (the) cloud (s): 11
Deuteronomy 33:26.
2 Samuel 22:10.
Psalm 18: 9; 68: 4.
Isaiah 14:14.
Matthew 24:30; 26:64.
Mark 14:62.
Revelation 14:14; 14:15; 14:16.

coming WITH a (the) cloud (s): 3
Psalm 78:14
Daniel 7:13.
Revelation 1: 7.


THE CLOUDS AT NIGHT:

a cloud as a pillar of fire / night light: 16
Exodus 13:21; 13:22; 14:20; 14:24; 40:38.
Numbers 9:16; 14:14
Deuteronomy 1:33; 4:1; 5:22.
Nehemiah 9:12; 9:19.
Psalm 78:14; 105: 39.
Isaiah 4: 5.
Ezekiel 1: 4.

an immense cloud with flashes of lightning / bright light / glittering metal: 1
Ezekiel 1: 4.


THE CLOUDS STAND STILL:

the cloud covered and remained for hours or days: 28
Exodus 14:20; 24:16; 24:18; 33: 9; 33:10; 34: 5; 40:34; 40:35; 40:38.
Leviticus. 16:2
Numbers 9:15; 9:16; 9:17; 9:18; 9:19; 9:20; 9:21; 9:22; 10:12; 10:34; 12: 5; 14:14; . 16:42
Deuteronomy 31:15
Psalm 105:39.
Matthew 17:5.
Mark 9:7.
Luke 9:34.


CLOUDS VARIOUS ABILITIES:

a cloud appeared: 2
Mark 9:7.
Luke 9:34.

a cloud healed: 1
Numbers 24:10.

cloud as small as a man's hand: 1
1 Kings 18:44.

cloud of smoke: 1
Isaiah 4: 5.


THE CLOUDS ARE INHABITED:

a voice from the cloud: 3
Matthew 17: 5.
Mark 9:7.
Luke 9:35.

If the clouds in question in these 74 verses are not MULTIDIMENSIONAL ALIEN SPACECRAFT, ABLE TO TAKE MANY FORMS, TO CHANGE FROM MATERIAL STATE TO VIBRATIONAL STATE WITHOUT ANY DEFINED FORM, AND VICE VERSA, TO RAPTURE THE PEOPLE AND GETTING THEM IN A COLUMN OF LIGHT OR CLOUD, then explain to me what these clouds are, taking into account all the characteristics indicated above WITHOUT FORGETTING ONE!

You will notice that the clouds adapt their characteristics to daytime conditions and night as well. So it's really about materialized objects as these conditions are PHYSICAL. But also, these objects are able to rise or to stay put for hours, even days. All of these indications show that there are physical and terrestrial references. NO SYMBOL HERE! Finally, healing or getting in and out of the clouds, the pillars / columns of clouds (either men or angels), it must be that there is a PHYSICAL context.




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posted on Dec, 1 2014 @ 02:21 AM
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Another article that could help you to better understand...

Why Would the Aliens Be Involved in Religions?

We often oppose religion to the UFO research. Yet, as demonstrated in this blog, the Bible is full of references to alien spacecraft, called clouds, and the aliens, called angels. There are even 231 references to the gods in the Old Testament, and 9 in the New Testament. The very term Elohim, often encountered, and that many Christians associate with God, is the plural form of Eloha in Hebrew. These Elohim (without s) are with God when He says in Genesis: 'DO make man in Our image' , so talking to a community of gods , that is to say aliens.

Many people are victims of deception. The Hollywood writers. The vision of a sufficiently advanced civilization for not having destroyed itself, and therefore able to travel to the stars is a fraud. Many imagine isolated civilizations, like islands in the middle of the ocean, changing themselves and take off to the stars to encounter other physical civilizations. We would then be discovered by those civilizations that would see us. It is a vision that is both false and consistent with our instant evolutionary level.

This reminds documentary of the 60 or 70 which imagined the years 2,000. In these documentaries, we ate pills, were traveling from planet to planet, we lived over a hundred years in top form, technical progress had eradicated poverty, and peace reigned. They got it all wrong!

Instead, we eat a lot more meat while millions of people are starving, we even not travel to the moon, old age is growing but the diseases of aging are more numerous, the wars are increasingly barbaric, but we are connected to the Internet on a global scale from a large piece of plastic in the hand. The computer industry has revolutionized the world, because it brought a NEW PARADIGM. We live a great technological leap in a barbaric and violent world, but also much more organized across continents and even the world.

In short, it's a very different world from what our elders had imagined. The first problem is that of the technology 'sufficiently advanced' of alleged extraterrestrials, imagined by Hollywood. There is no Star Trek-type of technologies for the ETs who visit us. That's why the Fermi paradox is mentioned.

We do not see them so they do not exist. Yet, among the hundreds of billions of galaxies in the universe, possessing themselves hundreds of billions of stars, with several planets themselves, life had to evolve even beyond our technical level. Thus, the ETs who visit us do not have vessels with a propulsion, should it be ionic or with antimatter, because we would have already seen them since a long time ago. They do not travel at the speed of light, but much faster because the distances to cross are a frontier in themselves. They would indeed need astronomical amounts of fuel (plasma, antimatter, etc.) and food for hundreds or even thousands of explorers.

It would take huge budgets for a lucky few whose purpose and meetings, after dozens or even hundreds of years of travel, would be ... highly risky.

It is therefore necessary to come back to UFO sightings - with the proper, available and analyzable database - to deduce their technology. They have no Enterprise type of vessels, but ships that appear and disappear as if by magic, or which speed up in an instant, or fly most of the time without noise. In short, their characteristics are the exact opposite of the inertial technologies that a linear vision of technical progress would induce.

Moreover, the civilizations like ours are not isolated. Instead, they are surrounded by other civilizations like those who visit us for the universe has no age. The Big Bang never happened. Each time, civilizations are supported by means of the Spirit, being inspired by the eldest civilizations to reach both technical and spiritual progress thanks to the boldest, the ones who listen inside themselves among the emerging civilizations. So, to sum ​​up, we can not do the economy of a NEW SCIENTIFIC AND SPIRITUAL PARADIGM for our civilization to progress. This new paradigm is the FRACTAL TIME, KEY TO A FULL AND COMPLETE SPIRITUALITY!

The vast majority of ETs / angels are benevolent. But we have no guarantee that malicious ETs do not exist.

The Hollywood scriptwriters have a vivid imagination. But they rely on bad theories. They take for granted the idea of a multiverse based on a theory posing that the universe has 10, 11 or 20 dimensions, and even an infinite (in the framework of the Heisenberg uncertainty). Thus, the scriptwriters created the most ludicrous situations. The truth is that these dimensions are simple mathematical tools to solve complex equations. This is the string theory. Or rather the string theories (closed, open, etc.). But the origin of these dimensions has NO relation to reality. These are pure mathematics. Where are these needed extra dimensions? They come from the problem of self-energy of the electrons when 'r' (for radius) is close to zero in the calculation of the energy of the electron. The energy becomes infinite. The theoretical physicists then uses a mathematical scheme that cancels this infinity, but this requires adding dimensions ... of SPACE!

How did we come to this drift? Because we stayed on a signature - + + + of spacetime as adopted by Einstein. But time itself can be multidimensional. The most award-winning physicists admit it. And several publications of a very high level studied this perspective. But our materialistic vision prefers to multiply spatial dimensions rather than the temporal dimensions. With the latter, the laws of physics are much simpler. But the equations - rather mathematical expressions - would then be much more complex ... but would explain all the paranormal. This is where the problem is. That would force the scientists and the skeptics to admit that what they called fraud or fake would finally be true! The paranormal and the ufology would be real since years, when the officials said it couldn't be. These temporal dimensions enable, among many other things, the astral travels and the spectacular UFOs prowess. The fractal time is the bridge between the material and the spiritual realms!

So, if aliens live in the spiritual world that the law of fractal time reveals, it means that their concerns should be spiritual. They accompanied men since the dawn of time. They have inspired them and provided recommendations of many kinds as to the behavior and state of mind required to access the new course of development at the time of the End Times, that is, the end of a great cycle.

Today they are harvesting, as explained in the Apocalypse. But they take the good grain, not the bad one, to show us how to enjoy the real spiritual life.



posted on Dec, 1 2014 @ 02:36 AM
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Here is another extract of another article of mine...


The Angels of The Bible are Aliens

I realized the same work for the word 'angel(s)' in Scripture than I did for 'clouds' to show that the angels are extraterrestrials able to materialize and dematerialize at will. There are 290 verses that include the word angel(s). Of these 290 verses I have ordered 83 which show that:


1) the angels PHYSICALLY interact with humans,
2) they have SUPERNATURAL POWERS and TECHNOLOGIES (swords, vessels) to:

a) appear and disappear,
b) strike humans, armies and cities,
c) go up and down towards the sky,
d) release someone from prison,
e) and many other faculties.


However, here or there, I noted instances where a dream intervenes to make the difference with other situations in which there is no dream at all, that is to say 95% of cases. I have not taken into account:

1) every conversation the angels have with humans that do not clearly show that they physically interact with people.

2) all cases showing that some angels may be malicious and judged by God. Because the vast majority of angels is benevolent. SO THERE ARE ONLY BENEVOLENT ETS, I.E. ANGELS OF GOD, IN THIS LIST!

3) when John evokes the angels 80 times in the Apocalypse (words and deeds), and shows that the End Times is a massive intervention of angels / aliens into the humanity history.

See below the list of 83 verses through which it is clear that the angels are ETs. [see it in the full article in my blog]

Everything that follows proves that the 'Angels' are NOT just metaphors, allegories or symbols, nor the astral or etheric beings, but rather aliens able to materialize (appear suddenly) and dematerialize (disappear suddenly) on earth, as Jesus and God himself, with or without an extradimensional extratemporal alien ship called 'cloud' in the Bible for a lack of a more technical term, more suitable that these civilizations of Old and New Testaments did not have.

Out of this list below, there is also the cherubim in Ezekiel 10. The cherubim are also 'angels'. None of the 80 angels of the Apocalypse is cited below .

Characteristics of the 'angels' in the Bible (in the same verse can be found two or three categories):


PHYSICAL INTERACTIONS: 39.

Mere physical presence: 4 times.
Genesis 16: 7
Numbers 22:24
Luke 1:26
Acts 27:23

Physical interactions with humans: 22.
Genesis 19:1.
Exodus 14:19; 23:23; 32:34; 33:2
Numbers 20:16; 22:22; 22:23; 22:25; 22:26; 22:27; 22:31
Psalm 34:7; 35:6; 78:25.
Luke 2:15; 16:22.
John 20:12.
Acts 12: 9.
1 Timothy 3:16
Daniel 3:28; 6:22.

Physical interactions and verbal exchanges with humans: 12.
Numbers 22:34.
1 Kings 19:5; 19: 7.
Hosea 12:4
Zechariah 1:11; 1:13; 2: 3; 4:1.
Matthew 4: 6
Acts 12:7; 12:8; 12:11.

Angels food: 1.
Psalm 78:25


INTERACTIONS WITH ALIEN TECHNOLOGY: 33.

Supernatural appearance / disappearance of vessels: 10.
Exodus 3:2
Matthew 28:2
Luke 1:11 ; 2:9 ; 2:13 ; 22:43.
Acts 7:30 ; 12:7 ; 12:10.
1 Timothy 3:16.

Physical presence associated with the presence of a vessel: 5
Exodus 14:19
1 Chronicles 21:16
Matthew 28:2
Luke 2:15 ; 22:43.

Destruction power against the humans: 10
2 Samuel 24:16 ; 24:17.
2 Kings 19:35
1 Chronicles 21:12 ; 21:15 ; 21:16.
2 Chronicles 32:21
Isaiah 37:36
Hosea 12:4
Acts 12:23

Possession of technology outside vessels: 4.
1 Chronicles 21:16 ; 21:27 ; 21:30.
Acts 12:10

Use of a vessel for the humans: 4.
Psalm 35:5
Isaiah 63:9
John 1:51
1 Timothy 3:16


RESCUE OF HUMANS: 13.

Physical freeing of humans: 8.
Psalm 34:7
Isaiah 63:9
Acts 5:19 ; 12:7 ; 12:8 ; 12:9 ; 12:11.
Daniel 3:28

Human abductors: 4
Matthew 13:39 ; 13:49 ; 16:27 ; 24:31.

Therapists: 1.
Luke 22:43.


VISIONS: 7.

Visions among many (clearly marked): 7.
Job 1:6 ; 2:1.
Zechariah 3:1 ; 3:3.
Matthew 1:20 ; 2:13.
Acts 10:3.

It would be crazy to say that the Bible is a historical or scientific book. However, the Bible is written as a historical novel. A novel with specific facts that are told. The perception of the authors (and their 'correction') certainly truncated or distorted some of these facts. But we are not here to discuss the scientific rigor of these authors (and editors), but the persistence of paranormal descriptions, which , moreover, justify all these books! Without any miracles, without any paranormal events, without God and without gods, these books would have gone unnoticed.

The miracle of Fatima, for example, so called by the Catholic Church, was actually a UFO event. There were 70,000 witnesses! Facts are stubborn.

The purpose of this blog is to analyze this divine and supernatural characters by approaching what we know today about similar facts. But also to derive a UFO approach of the Apocalypse written with the same words ( clouds, angels ).

All of this proves that the angels are NOT just metaphors, allegories or symbols, neither astral or etheric beings, but rather extraterrestrials able to materialize (appear suddenly) and dematerialize (disappear suddenly) on Earth, like Jesus-Christ, like even GOD HIMSELF (read carefully this list), with or without extradimensional, extratemporal and extraterrestrial spaceships, called clouds in the Bible for better names weren't available in those non-technological human civilizations at these times (Old and New Testament).



posted on Dec, 1 2014 @ 07:20 AM
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originally posted by: DISRAELI
Thta is exactly my point.
God does not play with silly patterns of historical events at exact time intervals,such as the one you are creating from your own imagination.
There is no evidence that anything in the Bible was planned to work out that way, and he has never said at any time that he would make things happen that way.
Furthermore, there is no evidence whatever that he is following YOUR chosen pattern.
There are thousands of these imaginary patterns scattered around the internet. What makes your pattern any more valid than any of the others?


You didn't get my point. The way God works is through laws, should they be of physics, of spiritual Commandments, and of schedules too. It is NOT my imagination that shows the fractal pattern of 1,260 days, but mathematics! And the numbers 7 and 12, base of 84 days (12 weeks), themselves base of the other multiples (the following seals), are echoing God's deeds in the WHOLE BIBLE!

In addition, you are wrong about the fact that that kind of pattern would not be in history since I show it in my coming article below where you can see that the 7 churches are THE 7 fractal periods of time of the Christian era, precisely corresponding to the doubling of the world population, AND to the emergence of a NEW PARADIGM for the knowledge to spread all over the world. Click on the links!

The 7 Churches of the Apocalypse form the Greek letter PI

1.1.1.2...

Here is a series of images showing clearly that the 7 churches that Jesus speaks about in chapters 1, 2 and 3 of the Apocalypse are placed in the exact order in which he presents them, in pre-existing towns and villages in the Book of Revelation, which, together, form the Greek letter PI, in the language of the Apocalypse, and which distances from each others reveal the figures 666 and 777.

Verses 10 and 11 of the first chapter of the Apocalypse present the seven churches.

1:10 On the Lord’s Day I was in the Spirit, and I heard behind me a loud voice like a trumpet,

1:11 which said: “Write on a scroll what you see and send it to the seven churches: to Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia and Laodicea.

But these seven churches still do not exist after two thousand years! They are only pre-existed geographical locations when the Apocalypse was written. These seven churches therefore have a hidden meaning.

The association of PI and the number 7 is the result of a law that allows to calculate the speed of light, light that characterizes Christ in the Bible. The fractal law associated with this calculation therefore determines the time of return since the light must return to the world. Starting these 7 fractal periods by a Day of God, that is to say, a thousand years from the year of his Resurrection (33) gives the year 2017, and the latest iteration of about 16 years, one Hour of God (1000 / 60). Indeed, 1000 is divided by 2 and then added to a thousand years, and 500 divided by 2 is added to the result of the sum, and so on, or 1033 + 500 = 1533 + 250 = 1783, etc. until 2017 included for 7 iterations.

It is noteworthy that each of these periods is a new paradigm in terms of knowledge and communication means (see figures below) but also, and especially, the doubling of the world population in the same fractal periods taken two by two.

This year 2017 is also obtained by Daniel's prophecy in which we must add 70 years to 1947, when it was decided the creation of the State of Israel.

But to 2017 should be added 42 months (3.5 years) of the reign of the Antichrist before there comes the day of the Lord, that is to say the Rapture of the Great Multitude in White Robes which will last several weeks in 2021.

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The vast majority of the 'experts' did not say why the 7 churches are ALL in Turkey on a very confined area (western Turkey). They did not say why there are 7 Spirits or 7 branches of light to the candlestick. Yet all agree that the 7 communities do not exist. This is indeed the case. The key to understanding this figure 7 is the universal law of light. The speed of light was measured. It is about 300,000 km / s. But why is it limited to that speed?

The scientific truth is that the speed of light is NOT A SPEED. It is a frontier. That of 7 iterations of the back spin (intervention of PI) of the light particles respecting a doubling law starting at the scale of the solar system. This is a fractal mathematical law. Hence the seven branches of the candlestick that produces light. This is also why Jesus-Christ is called the LIGHT OF THE WORLD, of our physical reality. This is why the early chapters speak about seven churches which are 7 periods of fractal time of the Christian era that result in the return of Christ, seven periods to which must be added the period of 3.5 years (42 months actually) for the Antichrist to make his work of destruction.

In the images below, we see that the speed of light is the result of seven doubling iterations of the circular path - spin back - of particles of light from the solar system scale as mentioned in a...crop circle.

It is remarkable to understand that beyond the 7 fractal iterations is the spiritual world, unobservable since this light is a boundary between the observable and the invisible in terms of rate of flow of time.

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7 corresponds to the descriptions of the 7 churches of Christ speaking to John, but also to the 7 exhortations and the 7 reward categories. For each Church it is said:

He who has ears let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches

This expression means that these 7 churches are not what they are supposed to represent but a symbol - hence the word spirit for spirit of the times - periods of the Christian era to which are addressed these exhortations, to which each of the 7 rewards corresponds, chronologically and qualitatively superior as they are given. These 7 periods are fractal as is the calculation of the speed of light, so from 1000 years, a day of God, to about 16 years, a Hour of God (1000/60 = 16,7) .

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posted on Dec, 1 2014 @ 07:48 AM
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THE 7 DESCRIPTIONS OF CHRIST:

Ephesus: 2: 1 “To the angel of the church in Ephesus write: These are the words of him who holds the seven stars in his right hand and walks among the seven golden lampstands.

Smyrna: 2: 8 “To the angel of the church in Smyrna write: These are the words of him who is the First and the Last, who died and came to life again.

Pergamon: 2:12 “To the angel of the church in Pergamum write: These are the words of him who has the sharp, double-edged sword.

Thyatira: 2:18 “To the angel of the church in Thyatira write: These are the words of the Son of God, whose eyes are like blazing fire and whose feet are like burnished bronze.

Sardis: 3:1 “To the angel of the church in Sardis write: These are the words of him who holds the seven spirits of God and the seven stars.

Philadelphia: 3:7 “To the angel of the church in Philadelphia write: These are the words of him who is holy and true, who holds the key of David. What he opens no one can shut, and what he shuts no one can open.

Laodicea: 3:14 “To the angel of the church in Laodicea write: These are the words of the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the ruler of God’s creation.


Note that the 7th church is the verse 3.14!

John's descriptions echo this passage from the first chapter of the Apocalypse:

1:7 “Look, he is coming with the clouds,” and “every eye will see him, even those who pierced him”; and all peoples on earth “will mourn because of him.” So shall it be! Amen. 8 “I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty.” [...]12 I turned around to see the voice that was speaking to me. And when I turned I saw seven golden lampstands, 13 and among the lampstands was someone like a son of man, dressed in a robe reaching down to his feet and with a golden sash around his chest. 14 The hair on his head was white like wool, as white as snow, and his eyes were like blazing fire. 15 His feet were like bronze glowing in a furnace, and his voice was like the sound of rushing waters. 16 In his right hand he held seven stars, and coming out of his mouth was a sharp, double-edged sword. His face was like the sun shining in all its brilliance. 17 When I saw him, I fell at his feet as though dead. Then he placed his right hand on me and said: “Do not be afraid. I am the First and the Last. 18 I am the Living One; I was dead, and now look, I am alive for ever and ever! And I hold the keys of death and Hades.

Verse 2: 8 shows unquestionably that it is Jesus Christ, known just as the Son of Man (92 times in the NT) and the Son of God (71 times in the NT), which speaks to John. Moreover, Christ asks John to write to the angel of each church, seven times. He comes with / on / in a cloud, that is to say, an alien ship.



posted on Dec, 1 2014 @ 08:03 AM
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THE 7 EXHORTATIONS:

In the 7 exhortations, every time Christ says he KNOWS the works of each of the churches. If he says this it is because he has met 7 categories of behavior of his contemporaries, the Israelites, facing them with historical references that were theirs in time. The 7 Churches / Periods therefore correspond to the selection of the 144,000 Elect that will be ONLY Israelites of his first ministry period. JESUS DOESN'T SPEAK TO THE FUTURE CHRISTIANS BUT TO THE ISRAELITES OF HIS TIME! This is about the PAST PEOPLE who will live in the coming centuries!

Jesus, in the Apocalypse, has not yet received the prophecies of the Scroll with 7 seals that God will entrust him about the end of the Christian era since these prophecies come in Chapters 4 and 5 (while the 7 churches are in Chapters 1, 2 and 3). This clearly means that the humanity must live the very long 7 fractal periods before living the End Times, except for the FOUR HORSEMEN which will end this Christian era, the 7th period of this Christian era including the first four fractal periods / seals / horsemen.

These 7 churches do NOT exist or will NOT exist anywhere, historically speaking, but their locations pre-existed before the writing of the Apocalypse. Jesus Christ is therefore speaking to those who might be part of the 144,000 who will receive one of the 7 ​​hierarchical rewards, corresponding to the success of the 144,000 Elect in each of these 7 fractal periods, lasting 1984 years, knowing that who can do more can do less.

If Jesus Christ shared these exhortations and these awards for only 144,000 Elect of the End Times (not to be confused with the Great Multitude in white robes that count in tens or Hundreds of millions of people, ALL those of the GM being Gentiles (non-Jews of Jesus' time)), it is precisely because he does not know yet who they are, and because they have to prove ( he who overcomes is in the future!) their virtues and merits in the centuries to come (as seen from the time of Christ and the writing of the Book of Revelation) during the various incarnations they will live as Jews (statistically few) OR NOT JEWS (statistically very many) !

In other words, Jesus presents these exhortations to the entire Earth, through John, for the persons concerned to have a chance to access them and understand his message. This explains why the 7 churches, and the historical references of the 7 exhortations, plunge the 'experts' into a great confusion, the same 'experts' those who see the 12,000 of the 12 tribes (= 144,000) as symbols and allegories in Chapter 7 (no chance here!) when, on the contrary, Jesus speaks indeed about the Israelites of his time who will be selected to rule the New Jerusalem. What is frustrating for Christians ...!

But the law of reincarnation - mentioned in the episode of the priests who asked Jesus whether John the Baptist, born in the most natural way, would not be Elijah the prophet who lived centuries earlier - change the whole meaning of the 7 churches: these 144,000 could be anyone, in any part of the world, and any confession!

In other words, the 7 categories of behavior and complains made to these categories of Israelites in the time of Jesus Christ (!), called the Chosen People of God, are not equivalent in terms of power and honor because the fractal periods, and the corresponding rewards, reflect 1) the time available to achieve the challenge asked, and 2) the difficulty in overcoming this same challenge.

All this means that the reward levels depend on the height of the hurdle for each of the seven periods (Churches): 1,000 years (one day of God), 500, 250, 125 , 64, 32, 16 (an Hour of God)

Note that Jesus KNOWS, at the moment of the writing of the Book of Revelation, all those he speaks to, i.e. the Israelites! That's why he adds to hear to all who have ears! It is therefore among the Israelites that the 144,000 Elect will be chosen!
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posted on Dec, 1 2014 @ 08:17 AM
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THE 7 REWARDS:

Ephesus: 2:7 To the one who is victorious, I will give the right to eat from the tree of life, which is in the paradise of God.

Smyrna: 2:11 The one who is victorious will not be hurt at all by the second death.

Pergamum: 2:17 To the one who is victorious, I will give some of the hidden manna. I will also give that person a white stone with a new name written on it, known only to the one who receives it.

Thyatira: 2:26 To the one who is victorious and does my will to the end, I will give authority over the nations— 27 that one ‘will rule them with an iron scepter and will dash them to pieces like pottery’—just as I have received authority from my Father. 28 I will also give that one the morning star.

Sardis: 3:5 The one who is victorious will, like them, be dressed in white. I will never blot out the name of that person from the book of life, but will acknowledge that name before my Father and his angels

Philadelphia: 3:12 The one who is victorious I will make a pillar in the temple of my God. Never again will they leave it. I will write on them the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem, which is coming down out of heaven from my God; and I will also write on them my new name.

Laodicea: 3:21 To the one who is victorious, I will give the right to sit with me on my throne, just as I was victorious and sat down with my Father on his throne.

The 7 awards in NJ (New Jerusalem) are summarized as follows for the ancient Israelites in the time of Jesus, for defeating obstacles described by Christ in the 7 periods, knowing that each level gets the reward of the previous level + an additional reward:

1) 1000 years: Paradise = NJ eternal life ( Book of Life ). May be among the dead or the living.
2) 500 years: No second death. Rapture in his lifetime. NJ eternal life.
3) 250 years: Knowledge ( manna ) and technology ( white stone ). NJ eternal life.
4) 125 years: Political Power in NJ. NJ eternal life.
5) 64 years: New light body. NJ eternal life.
6) 32 years: Spiritual power in NJ. NJ eternal life.
7) 16 years: Throne of Christ. NJ eternal life.

To distinguish these rewards from that of the Great Multitude, the latter will be invited to join God in the New Jerusalem (NJ) at the time of the Rapture in 2021 (for a few weeks of operation), described as a cubic 'city' of 2200 kms each side which come down to the Earth at the end of the period of the End Times (2043), that is a huge alien multi-dimensional space ship, but materialized for 1000 years - while Satan is in jail - there to be nurtured and protected.

But this Great Multitude will be judged after 1000 years during the Last Judgment as to who stays or not in NJ, while all the 144,000 elect are guaranteed to remain there for life and to have a place to govern the kingdom of God, where live the 'citizens' of the Great Multitude, whose status depends precisely on the reward received!



posted on Dec, 1 2014 @ 09:09 AM
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originally posted by: ChristExtra
BUT, he also clearly states seven times at the beginning of the Book of Revelation that 'who have ears will hear'. Why would he need to add this, insisting on it, if it's not to tell us that the ones who want to know and understand will be able to do so.

This comes in the context of telling the church how they must deal with persecution and idolatry.
For this purpose, all that is necessary is that they find themselves surrounded by circumstances of persecution and idolatry.
There is no need for them to know in advance when it will come; they just have to deal with it when it does come.
And that sums up the whole purpose of the Book of Revelation.
It is not a timetable. It is just an exhortation urging the persecuted church to remain faithful.


In fact, the 'ears / hear' advice comes seven times with the seven rewards! And that changes many things! For you have to understand first what these rewards are about to put the 7 exhortations in the right context, the one of the Israelites of HIS time, hence the 12 Tribes, and the 12,000 Elect for each tribe!

At this moment, the ones who have ears are the ones living in his century since it is a present form of the grammar! NOT FOR THE FUTURE CHRISTIANS WHO WILL NEVER MEET THE ONES REFERENCED IN THE THREE FIRST CHAPTERS!

Guess what? The present 'ministers of the faith', in 'honesty and good faith', let believe the people that they have something to do with the nicolaitans, the synagogues, the Jews, Antipas, Balaam, Balak, Jezebel, ad nauseam, ALL PEOPLE OF HIS TIME THAT THE PRESENT PEOPLE HAVE NEVER SEEN OR HEARD ABOUT, BUT THAT JESUS TALKS ABOUT...TO THE ISRAELITES WHO KNEW AND HAD EARS TO UNDERSTAND WHAT IT WAS ABOUT!

Each time there is a problem to solve in the interpretations, suddenly all become symbols, over symbols. And that is what you call 'honesty and good faith'!

Once you have understood what the rewards correspond to, you can see that there are hidden meanings in the whole Book of Revelation, especially because the 7 churches ARE NOT Christian churches, but the 7 fractal periods of the Christian era to come after his resurrection!



This is YOUR interpretation of Christ's words.

It is the interpretation of everyone who reads the words "You are not meant to know" in honesty and good faith.
Deliberately twisting them round to mean the opposite of what they say is simply perverse.


It is the most accepted and shared interpretation, NOT THE RIGHT ONE! Do you know why it is shared by the 'experts'? For waiting and hoping an unknown time is the best way to gather money for the priests as long as it works!

Since you were not able to see, and therefore to know, all the precious intel given by Jesus I showed you above, I don't need to discuss what 'honesty' and 'good faith' would mean. It's just a matter of open mind for all is about the level you can reach to comprehend what the words really say. Note that I don't say the opposite of anything. I JUST say that not knowing the DAY and the HOUR, is just what it means: a day is a day, an hour is an hour. And I can explain why these words were used.

Everything else is just a STRATEGY for the 'ministers' of the faith to get more people in their churches, gently paying their 'fees' every year, for the 'minister' to better get rich while the people are 'wisely' waiting for His return for an unknown time in that said churches as asked by those 'ministers'. And THAT is perverse!
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posted on Dec, 2 2014 @ 04:27 AM
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Are we gods?

Some people, especially in the New Age, quote John 10 where Jesus says: Is it not written: I said you are gods, to support the thesis that the return of Christ should look like the realization of Christ state in each one of us, in total denial of Christ's return having lived two thousand years ago.

The one who is a god among the gods is at least in the kingdom of heaven. Those on Earth, are they in the kingdom of heaven? What is a Christ state? Is it Christ at a discount, while Christ said we could do as much or more than him? Some use the episode of the child to whom Christ said we should look to enter the kingdom of God. But if the child Jesus put in the middle of the Apostles was there, he was not in the kingdom of God, isn't it? So Jesus' words had a hidden meaning. It is not enough to be childish to climb to the kingdom of God, but to be as candid as a child, and ALSO HUMBLE WITHOUT WRONG THOUGHTS, as Jesus said in Matthew 18 :

18:1 At that time the disciples came to Jesus and asked, “Who, then, is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven?” 2 He called a little child to him, and placed the child among them. 3 And he said: “Truly I tell you, unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven. 4 Therefore, whoever takes the lowly position of this child is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven.

BUT, the fact of being like a child does not preclude the idea that we can see the Christ return, be selected, be raptured and then live in the New Jerusalem which is the kingdom of God in the Apocalypse!

It is the candor of the child which is to be reached. But the very fact that this child (in verses concerned), supposedly candid and humble, is physically present shows that this candor condition is not ALL we need to achieve, but a CONDITION to be achieved to enter the kingdom of God, where the Christ state is possible!

There are categories of Elect and divine states. BUT THE RETURN OF CHRIST IS A SERIES OF EVENTS CLEARLY STATED AND EXPLAINED IN THE GOSPELS AND THE BOOK OF REVELATION THROUGH WHICH THE ELECT WILL BE ABLE TO REACH THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN WHICH WILL DESCENT ... ON EARTH! If there is a requirement to ensure that the Christ state is reached it is at least to be in the kingdom of God! But the kingdom of God has still to come down to Earth (see chapter 21 of the Apocalypse). This is obviously not the case.

Should we be more Christlike than divine? It depends on the dictionary. How to be Christ would prevent the return of Christ in a multidimensional alien ship if, moreover, it is stated in the Bible, THE ONLY ONE BOOK in which it is about Christ, the state of who we want to reach?

The verse in Genesis 3:22 refers to the idea that we are gods.

Genesis 3:22 And the Lord God said, “The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever.”

One has the impression that God no longer speaks to a man nor to himself, but to someone else, who would have the same status as Him (Divinity) but that is not Him. He seems to say that man has evolved from a simple living toy, that of Being potentially divine, and not missing much to become eternal (read: become a God).

In the background, there is the verse 1-26 where God uses again OUR :

Genesis 1:26 Then God said, “Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals, and over all the creatures that move along the ground.”

But in the verse 1-29 He uses the I :

Genesis 1:29 Then God said, “I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food.

It can be deduced that the OUR (we) is not an error of language or a way of saying 'I am we' (read 'powerful'), but really more persons (or deities).

God does not use the 'we of majesty' since it also uses the 'I' . He speaks of a community of gods of which he is the Head. If the first four commandments relate to the unique worship of Himself it is precisely because there are other gods some of whom wanted to be Caliph instead of the Caliph.

If the man, then became one of them, was expelled from Paradise, and should not take the fruit from the Tree of Life it is precisely because he has to know the many incarnations to deserve the status of God, as he then knows the good and evil, that will test him (the reason he is expelled from Paradise), once the selection and rapture have occurred in ​​the End Times.

In other words, God, with the help of the gods around him, created the man of EARTH. He is therefore suitable to the living conditions on Earth (hence the human right to dominate the Earth) and resemble the gods (their shape). He is at their image. But he cannot claim to be totally theirs, THE MAN OF EARTH SHOULD DESERVE IT. The successive tests of the reincarnations allow men to test their knowledge (understanding) of good and evil that their creation as potential gods requires.

In John 10, when the Jews took up stones again to stone him, Jesus said,

10:32 but Jesus said to them, “I have shown you many good works from the Father. For which of these do you stone me?”

10:33 “We are not stoning you for any good work,” they replied, “but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.”

10:34 Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your Law, ‘I have said you are “gods”’?

Jesus does not refer to a supposed Indian education (cf. the literature on a supposed journey of Jesus in India during the 15 years preceding his ministry) but, I quote, Jesus answered them , Is it not written in your law , I have said you are gods?

Jesus does not refer to an Indian education, but to THE LAW OF THE JEWISH TRADITION! And this law is in Psalm 82 where we find exactly the right words to say:

82:5 “The ‘gods’ know nothing, they understand nothing. They walk about in darkness; all the foundations of the earth are shaken. 6 “I said, ‘You are “gods”; you are all sons of the Most High.’ 7 But you will die like mere mortals; you will fall like every other ruler.” 8 Rise up, O God, judge the earth, for all the nations are your inheritance.

The Psalms are part of the Old Testament, SEVERAL CENTURIES prior to Jesus Christ! What is important is that Jesus quoted the Old Testament. He does NOT say that the Pharisees are gods. He merely says: IS IT NOT WRITTEN ...?

Because what is the most important thing in this psalm is what follows in verse 7:

But you will die like mere mortals; you will fall like every other ruler.

But also what precedes:

“The ‘gods’ know nothing, they understand nothing. They walk about in darkness...



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Thus, when Jesus, about to be stoned because of what the Pharisees see as a blasphemy (being called the Son of God ), refers to the Old Testament, he responds with the LAW to those behind which they are hiding. As these Pharisees are strict observers of the texts of the Hebrew Tradition, they know that what Jesus said is true. It is in the OT! It is in Psalm 82. BUT, what the Pharisees forgot is that we are gods ( all sons of the Most High ) only if WE DO NOT DIE LIKE MEN! ( But you die like men ).

And THAT CHANGES EVERYTHING. This means that the gods in question are ONLY potentially gods! Hence the ministry of Jesus with his message of love and forgiveness, THEN HIS RETURN to take the Elect to give them the immortality to become gods , and to do as much, if not more, as him. But this immortality will be given according to specific conditions given in the Gospels AND the Apocalypse (be selected and raptured).

God does not say that the door of the kingdom of God is opened in the Old Testament. At any time! He gives only the first parts of His plan: 1) multiple, conquer, dominate the Earth, and 2) follow my Ten Commandments.

God has presented the FIRST TWO PHASES OF THIS PLAN. His SON presented the THIRD PHASE (love and forgiveness).

And the Apocalypse presents the PHASE FOUR: THE SELECTION, THE RAPTURE AND THE KINGDOM OF GOD ... for future gods! US!

Jesus agrees with this sentence from God in Psalm 82 above talking about being gods. But he also agrees with what precedes and what follows it, namely the conditions for us to be gods.

For in truth, the word "gods" has a specific meaning in the Old and the New Testament. In the OT, we find this word in the plural 231 times, while in the NT, only 9. They are:

John 10:34 Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your Law, ‘I have said you are “gods”’?

John 10:35 If he called them ‘gods,’ to whom the word of God came—and Scripture cannot be set aside

Acts 7:40 They told Aaron, ‘Make us gods who will go before us. As for this fellow Moses who led us out of Egypt—we don’t know what has happened to him!’

Acts 14:11 When the crowd saw what Paul had done, they shouted in the Lycaonian language, “The gods have come down to us in human form!”

Acts 17:18 A group of Epicurean and Stoic philosophers began to debate with him. Some of them asked, “What is this babbler trying to say?” Others remarked, “He seems to be advocating foreign gods.” They said this because Paul was preaching the good news about Jesus and the resurrection.

Acts 19:26 And you see and hear how this fellow Paul has convinced and led astray large numbers of people here in Ephesus and in practically the whole province of Asia. He says that gods made by human hands are no gods at all.

Acts 28:11 After three months we put out to sea in a ship that had wintered in the island—it was an Alexandrian ship with the figurehead of the twin gods Castor and Pollux.

1 Corinthians 8:5 For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth (as indeed there are many “gods” and many “lords”),

Galatians 4:8 Formerly, when you did not know God, you were slaves to those who by nature are not gods.

AT ANY TIME, in the New Testament, there is no question, for the common man, of BEING gods. These nine new cases are the exhaustive verses about the gods of the New Testament all referring to THE OLD GODS in the Old Testament. On the contrary, most of them refer to the (former) gods to better distinguish them from GOD! Paul even says that men (men made ​​of hand) are not gods. So were 'gods' only the men born from the gods, who by transposition, gave birth to their offspring.

What does this tell us? We understand that the 'gods' of the Old Testament are primarily aliens who has come to GOVERN and / or to GIVE BIRTH to men. By 'descent', men are 'gods' to hereditary title, but also under a long-planned goal. BUT, since there is a BUT, these men do not have the status of 'gods' as they die and remain in the darkness of the incarnation.

The Psalm 82 quote of Jesus is indeed to put the Pharisees in the context of the Old Testament to make them understand that it is quite possible that a man is SON of God, since He made men gods ... UNDER CERTAIN CONDITIONS (Psalm 82) that Jesus does not remind them on purpose since he is in the situation of his possible stoning by them.

Here is the list of the books of the Old Testament in which it is question of gods:

Old Testament (231)
Genesis (7)
Exodus (16)
Leviticus (1)
Numbers (2)
Deuteronomy (37)
Joshua (8)
Judges (18)
Ruth (1)
1 Samuel (6)
2 Samuel (1)
1 Kings (11)
2 Kings (13)
1 Chronicles (5)
2 Chronicles (16)
Psalm (17)
Isaiah (12)
Jeremiah (35)
Daniel (16)
Hosea (4)
Amos (1)
Micah (1)
Nahum (1)
Zephaniah (2)

Many people understand things from a human perspective. We often see in the religions only myths having more or less entangled influences in various parts of the world in a more or less chronological patterns which complies with population movements. On the other hand, a few sentences out of context, and misunderstood, make us Jesus Christ more or less divine under a very personal philosophy that some have made them.

But this point of view is that of men ... in the darkness.

To be continued...



posted on Dec, 2 2014 @ 04:48 AM
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From the perspective of God and THE GODS (ETs), it is quite different. It is their presence that created the religions ... DUE TO THE PARANORMAL ACTIVITIES ATTACHED TO THEM. Moreover, some cite the Indian spirituality that evokes the vimanas ...i.e. the ETs ships!

As these gods know each other, they talk about the same things wherever they go and are. Hence the explanation of BELIEVED influences.

WE ARE NOT GODS BECAUSE WE ALWAYS AND AGAIN DIE.

SO THE RETURN OF CHRIST IS NOT A PHILOSOPHY OR A STATE OF MIND THANKS TO WHICH WE ARE ALL OF A SUDDEN GODS BY WHATEVER MIRACLE ONE CAN IMAGINE TO BECOME IMMORTALS.


THE DEATH ITSELF IS THE BRAKE TO IMMORTALITY AS SAID IN PSALM 82!

This truism is of no name commonplace, but it is essential to understand the REAL Return of Christ. The findings of this blog ( endtimesufos.blogspot.fr... ) are infinitely more logical and consistent with the Scriptures than the New Age:

This is by following the way of Christ and embarking on an alien ship (to be selected and raptured) that immortality can be offered to us. ONLY THEN will we become GODS!

About the so-called copied-pasted Sumerian tablets in the Gospels, and even in the Old Testament and other ancient manuscripts, we must use logic. We have two cases: either it is only plagiarism or it's updates.

In other words, given that the overall picture looks like a multi-phase divine plan, it is not surprising that past stories are used again to be 1) adapted to new contexts and languages, and 2) updated with new messages and new prophecies.

It would not be surprising that the 'angels' (ETs) really inspired new authors to adapt their messages to the new knowledge and cultures.

The story of the Bible is that of the interaction between humans and ETs. It is easy to see that we could do whatever we can, and will, to get the world better, the crowd will never reach a Christ-state because of the presence of Evil that influences us daily, directly or indirectly.

The abuses are endless. Murders, robberies, rapes, beatings, everywhere, always. We pray, we help, we participate. And it starts all over again. There is always stupid people who think to be stronger and smarter than the rest of the world.

Then, we understand that all of this is the scene of a selection. We must remain focused until the rescue is obtained through prayer, desire and unconditional love. Be patient and maintain heading of the Christian message.

That Christ comes in a spaceship, it hurts. Just at the beginning. After, you get used because it is understood that the ship in question materialize and dematerialize. In fact, it is a spiritual vessel that is 'pretending' to be material from time to time. It does not change either the 'game', nor the purpose nor the way. But at least, while understanding, we become more serene and relaxed. We know what to expect. It is no longer a hope, it is knowledge. Meanwhile, you can share, for it can help someone other than you.

Jesus did not say that this rescue and the future immortality were accessible to anyone without conditions. He said and shown the way. Which is very different. As he did not see anyone who could enter the kingdom of God one by one, his language was meant to be universal. Besides, if he sent his apostles everywhere on Earth, it was to give his message a chance to reach the mind and heart of those who could join him, the message of which he speaks in Matthew 24 and Mark 13, and in the Apocalypse.

Jesus was mortal, indeed, as are the Extraterrestrials. But the difference between us and the extraterrestrials is that their life is many times longer than ours (life is sometimes called 'immortality' by simple comparison). And the difference between the resurrected Christ and aliens (angels) is that he is truly immortal as Christ, with his eternal body.

We are very far from his status. Hence his return as a figure!

Now, no one has EVER said here that one's responsibilities are only those of the aliens. Moreover, the concept of "responsibility" can be understood in many ways. What are we really responsible for?

The idols are legion: politicians (less and less), movie stars, stars of show business, and so on.

The people also rely on false images of Yahweh, Jesus, Buddha, Krishna, Allah, or others. It is in the human nature, by hope for a better world, but mostly for ones own profit without effort. We must combat this practice and this disempowerment.

The discussion of this blog is very different than that. This is because each of the Elect has taken his/her responsibilities that he/she it will be saved to become a god among gods! Whoever believes he/she will be saved by simply calling for help will be very disappointed with the result. This is the behavior that is the main criterion of the election. Then only comes the choice to follow the signs in order to board an alien ship when the day has come for the faith is of supreme importance.

Without the personal choice to be taken, no salvation. God respects the choices of each one of us. But everyone should respect God's plan. Forgiveness is granted to those who repent for their lack of responsibility in the past. But without repentance, no salvation. To become a god, we have to be like a child ...



posted on Dec, 2 2014 @ 08:49 AM
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I attach this quote as a self-reminder, because I had forgotten about it;


Yes, there are metaphors in the gospels and epistles about watching for the "signs". But to me this is more about becoming aware that something is "in the air", a raising of the "alert level", as it were. They don't invite us to pin our expectations to a specific date.

PS In fact, come to think of it, if we knew a date we would not NEED signs. We would just need a calendar. The very fact that we're invited to look for signs shows that we don't know a date.



posted on Dec, 2 2014 @ 09:04 AM
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originally posted by: DISRAELI
I attach this quote as a self-reminder, because I had forgotten about it;


Yes, there are metaphors in the gospels and epistles about watching for the "signs". But to me this is more about becoming aware that something is "in the air", a raising of the "alert level", as it were. They don't invite us to pin our expectations to a specific date.

PS In fact, come to think of it, if we knew a date we would not NEED signs. We would just need a calendar. The very fact that we're invited to look for signs shows that we don't know a date.


It depends on what you call 'signs'. The study of the Book of Revelation is for few educated people. The goal of the study of this book is to define what the 'signs' will be!

Once the different events presented in my calendar will be seen as 'signs', people would be able to know that they are close to...their possible rapture (since THIS is - the rapture - what is all about when we talk about the 'signs' which must precede what the people are waiting for). And again, we don't know the precise date...of the rapture for EACH of the elect. That's WHY we need 'signs', i.e. the series of events I described for the period before the Day of Lord. So, we have to look for the 'signs' such as the peak of the Schumann resonances on July, 22, 2014!

But I will give you another hint to help you to get more 'signs'. Very soon, before the end of the year, something strange will happen to the Two Witnesses, aka William and Kate...
edit on 2-12-2014 by ChristExtra because: grammar



posted on Dec, 2 2014 @ 09:46 AM
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Let's start with these following images giving you the main calendars of the End Times:

















posted on Dec, 2 2014 @ 10:32 AM
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Another member of ATS has already worked out the identity of the above poster;

originally posted by: Vasa Croe
Olivet/Jean Ederman/Eric Julien it IS you! So happy to have you back.....NOT.

For those that don't know him....

www.abovetopsecret.com...

www.abovetopsecret.com...

You're even using the same pictures from your last time.

How was the spaceship ride and when are the UFO's going to invade the UK and take William and Kate?

At least this time you gave yourself almost 30 years to be proven wrong....2043.....I can't wait!

Seriously people....look up the above aliases and you will find plenty on his numerous claims and being wrong every time. He claimed to have flown in a spaceship and all kinds of other stuff....



posted on Dec, 3 2014 @ 01:15 PM
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I did not bother writing any detailed responses to the nonsense in the posts above.
I thought they answered themselves, just by being there.
(And now, of course, the poster is no longer with us)

Those posts, without any additional commentary, prove my point much more effectively than any arguments I could present on my own account.
"Date calculation" is done by people like Olivet/ChristExtra.
I rest my case.




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