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Originally posted by xuenchen
Trouble is,
The HC law has exemptions form some religious groups.
RELIGIOUS CONSCIENCE EXEMPTION. – Such term shall not include any individual for any month if such individual has in effect an exemption under section 1311(d)(4)(H) of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act which certifies that such individual is a member of a recognized religious sect of division thereof described in section 1402(g)(l) and an adherent of established tenets or teachings of such sect or division as described in such section.
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In addition, the religious conscience healthcare bill exemption does not specifically exempt the members of any one particular religion from the health insurance mandatory purchase requirements.
Originally posted by Open_Minded Skeptic
The part where non-Catholics, non-Jews or non-Methodists work there.
Can a HOSPITAL do that? Can a HOSPITAL not hire somebody because they are not of a particular religion?
the position of the Bishops on priests poking young boys is entirely relevant, as much as the Catholics may want to deny it... it indicates the moral bankruptcy of said Bishops.
Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
But a hospital is not a church. Can anyone show me where a religious hospital has the same legal rights as a church?
Originally posted by TheCommentator
Originally posted by beezzer
reply to post by TheCommentator
Yup.
Though your recruitment drives may not have a leg to stand on!
So then you have nothing against the church of scinetology making workers sign contracts that force them to work their entire life like this women:
blogs.villagevoice.com...
There are also many other cases like hers.
Where does this dictatorship by employer over worker end?
Originally posted by Eurisko2012
Lets just exempt everyone and end this government mess.
Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
These exemptions you guys are talking about are not exemptions from the entire health care reform.
They are temporary exemptions for organizations that offer mini-med plans. These plans would no longer be allowed due to benefit caps, but without them many people would be without any insurance at all. So the exemptions allowed organizations to continue to offer them until 2014 when they can offer insurance through the state exchanges.
Originally posted by duhdiggitydan
When Catholic institutions, or any other religious institution, receive money from the tax payers and the government—such as universities that accept Pell grants and federally guaranteed student loads, private schools that accept vouchers, or hospitals that receive Medicare and Medicaid to continue running—then there should be no cap on what an employee can receive for health benefits, after all the employee is playing a large role in keeping the institution functioning.
Now, if being religious and adhering to mythological standards set in place 2,000+ years ago is your jazz, then by all means, ignore the option to receive birth control. However, because everyone in the nation who pays taxes are, in fact, keeping religious institutions operating or may not even subscribe to a religion in the first place, any and all forms of health coverage should be available to those who seek it out.
It blows my mind that these religious institutions (looking at you, large portion of Catholics) who've been taught by their Sky God to be kind to all and help their fellow brother/sister out can be so selfish as to deny someone who needs or wants contraception.
This issue is in no way denying anyone their religious beliefs; not even in the slightest.edit on 11-2-2012 by duhdiggitydan because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by SeekerofTruth101
Originally posted by Eurisko2012
Lets just exempt everyone and end this government mess.
No.
Healthcare is a vital entitlement to a People. By its own, not many can afford healthcare, not even basic ones let alone diseases, certainly not with the meagre wages one has with a spiralling never ending upward trend of medication. No human wants to be sick, but due to the environment we live in, sickness is common.
Let not a citizen says it is better to die than to be impoverished by medical bills.
Instead of the rich or super rich getting health priviledged attention, let the rich share their wealth with society, and each and every working man chip in a bit, so that none be left behind to die when illness can be treated, more so with our tech and science advances.
Every human life is precious and means something special to another, regardless his beliefs, religion, skin color, political affiliations, etc. None must be deprived in a civilised society that we seek to build up.
Originally posted by xuenchen
Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
These exemptions you guys are talking about are not exemptions from the entire health care reform.
They are temporary exemptions for organizations that offer mini-med plans. These plans would no longer be allowed due to benefit caps, but without them many people would be without any insurance at all. So the exemptions allowed organizations to continue to offer them until 2014 when they can offer insurance through the state exchanges.
What happens when the temporary waivers go away ?
What will the minimum wage earners have to pay for individual policies.
Those State exchanges will not necessarily be affordable.
Especially if the person can't qualify for medicaid.
Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
Are they a hospital or a church? They are a hospital.
Originally posted by duhdiggitydan
When Catholic institutions, or any other religious institution, receive money from the tax payers and the government—such as universities that accept Pell grants and federally guaranteed student loads, private schools that accept vouchers, or hospitals that receive Medicare and Medicaid to continue running—then there should be no cap on what an employee can receive for health benefits, after all the employee is playing a large role in keeping the institution functioning.
Now, if being religious and adhering to mythological standards set in place 2,000+ years ago is your jazz, then by all means, ignore the option to receive birth control. However, because everyone in the nation who pays taxes are, in fact, keeping religious institutions operating or may not even subscribe to a religion in the first place, any and all forms of health coverage should be available to those who seek it out.
It blows my mind that these religious institutions (looking at you, large portion of Catholics) who've been taught by their Sky God to be kind to all and help their fellow brother/sister out can be so selfish as to deny someone who needs or wants contraception.
This issue is in no way denying anyone their religious beliefs; not even in the slightest.edit on 11-2-2012 by duhdiggitydan because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by FlyersFan
Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
Are they a hospital or a church? They are a hospital.
They are a Church hospital.
Again ... the Church is big and has many different aspects to it.
But it's still the Catholic Church. Stained glass or not.
Originally posted by theRhenn
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Someone explained it very plainly above.
If a group/church does not believe in something, as it is against their beliefs, religion.. It SHOULD NOT have to be forced to pay for such acts...
What if you were against crackheads... Obama says you have to pay taxes to help every single crackhead get treatment.... He, the crackhead, can bow out, but you STILL have to pay the tax.
How would you feel about throwing your money towards something that you feel is stupid, idiotic and against the very foundation of the beliefs you have?