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Catholic Bishops: Obama's Solution 'Is Unacceptable'

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posted on Feb, 11 2012 @ 03:15 AM
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Do you remember what happened on September 11th, 2001? A bunch of radical Muslims supposedly ran two airplanes into two towers, causing three of them to fall down (wait...what? three?
), to refresh your memory.

A lot of people in the nation, to this very day, still think that Muslims pose a large threat to the U.S. and are deathly afraid that something like that could happen again. A number of those ill-informed citizens reside in political office and call the shots or help to orchestrate the shots. In order to—in their minds—prevent another attack from these radical Muslims, they feel it best to not bother any group of Muslims for fear of being attacked. Again, in their minds, Muslims pose a much larger threat to the U.S.A than a group of a bunch of pissed off Catholics and will do anything to minimize the possibilities of another strike.

Do I agree with this? Of course not. I believe all religious institutions should be dealt with the same as one another.




posted on Feb, 11 2012 @ 03:17 AM
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Pat Buchanan prophesied just such an event in his 1992 Culture Wars speech. He foresaw what was to occur in a dystopian future which has become our Aldous Huxley reality.






Pat rescued me from the insane asylum which is the Liberal-Socialist state of mind. For that I shall be eternally grateful.

Obama’s trampling on God’s turf



posted on Feb, 11 2012 @ 06:58 AM
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I often see the question posed here on ATS by mostly Christians, whining about "why does everybody hate Christians?".


This manufactured frenzy by the Catholic church, and more probably the Republican party is an example of why.

It seems many "Christians", if they are prevented from forcing their religous views down the throats of every freaking body else in the world, they start crying about their religous freedoms being abused.

And it's all one more made up bunch of crap to try to bring down Obama. And as usual, the GOP and in this case the Catholic church is focusing on trivial, made-up garbage.

Government intrusion into religion is not allowed. Hospitals are not religions. They have non-Catholics working there.

This whole controversy is just one more bucket of steaming, stinking crap.

What is the Catholic Bishops' position on Catholic priests poking young boys, again?



posted on Feb, 11 2012 @ 07:29 AM
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Originally posted by Open_Minded Skeptic
Hospitals are not religions.

What part of CATHOLIC hospital or METHODIST hospital or JEWISH hospital don't you get?
Catholic hospitals, Catholic schools, Catholic orphanages are all part of the Catholic Church.
They are indeed 'religious' and part of the Church and therefore protected under the 1st amendment.

They have non-Catholics working there.

That's the choice of the non-catholic. They clearly see the word 'catholic' on the side of the building when they apply for a job. If they are that desperate for free birth control pills paid for by their employer, then they should work elsewhere OR keep their job and go to the local clinic that hands them out for free like candy.

What is the Catholic Bishops' position on Catholic priests poking young boys, again?

Deflection. The mark of a failing position ..



posted on Feb, 11 2012 @ 07:37 AM
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Originally posted by xuenchen
Has the Obama Machine made another boondoggle here ?

His 'compromise' wasn't a compromise. He got caught with his pants down. He tried to push something that was unconstitutional through .. pushing the envelope ... and he got nailed for it. He was still pushing it, being in your face, until 2 days ago when the law suits started to spring up and he knew he'd not win them.

Anyways .. I'm not sure what the Bishops mean by the 'freedom of conscious rights' ... I'll have to go read up on that.
But if what they say is true about the self insured religious employers, then the wording of all this still needs a bit of tweeking. Overall the wording seems okay ... but it does need a few tweeks.

If what beezzer reads about everyone having to purchase 'abortion insurance' is accurate ... then that's awful. Not just because it forces people to pay into the abortion industry who don't believe in it, but because I'm smelling a conspiracy and wondering how much election campaign $$$ or other support is going to Obama and his imps from the insurance industry as a reward for this? Or would this be some kind of new government insurance program?? (yep .. just what we need .. the government taking more of our money to screw around with and piss away).

Anyways .. gotta read up on it ...



posted on Feb, 11 2012 @ 07:42 AM
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Originally posted by FlyersFan

Originally posted by Open_Minded Skeptic
Hospitals are not religions.

What part of CATHOLIC hospital or METHODIST hospital or JEWISH hospital don't you get?

The part where they get subsidized by my non Catholic and non Methodist tax dollars.



posted on Feb, 11 2012 @ 08:16 AM
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Originally posted by Still

Originally posted by FlyersFan

Originally posted by Open_Minded Skeptic
Hospitals are not religions.

What part of CATHOLIC hospital or METHODIST hospital or JEWISH hospital don't you get?

The part where they get subsidized by my non Catholic and non Methodist tax dollars.


There seems to be non Catholic, non Methodist and non Jewish patients in those hospitals, I believe.

Employees and patients have a choice to work or be treated in a Catholic hospital.

Mahree
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posted on Feb, 11 2012 @ 08:18 AM
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posted on Feb, 11 2012 @ 08:19 AM
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list the presidents who can make 100% of the population 100% happy on an abortion isssue

thanks



posted on Feb, 11 2012 @ 08:22 AM
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Yes folks,

This issue IS about the U.S. Constitution.

If people want to change the legal meanings, they must go through the proper procedure.

Get a petition started if you want change. Call Your people in Congress.
(if they'll even answer)

Obama & Co. are attempting to do this all by themselves.



posted on Feb, 11 2012 @ 08:24 AM
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Constitution? That's a laugh.

I think it is more about over population, unwanted, abused children and the sustainability of the planet. In other words common freakin' sense!

No where in the Constitution does it say religious groups should dictate policy.

And people scream about Sharia Law?
That is the same thing. Letting outdated and ancient religious practices and customs dictate social policies in a modern, over populated and fast dying planet.

INSANITY SQUARED.

...and here is more scandal from the revered Catholic institution you honor as the "end all be all"...

Four Priests Charged In Vatican Banking Scandal
www.abovetopsecret.com...


We may as well have the Mafia dictate policies for us.


edit on 11-2-2012 by newcovenant because: (no reason given)



posted on Feb, 11 2012 @ 08:35 AM
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The part where non-Catholics, non-Jews or non-Methodists work there.

Are these institutions permitted to discriminate in their hiring? In other words, to put it as simply as possible, a CHURCH can choose to hire only members of that religion.

Can a HOSPITAL do that? Can a HOSPITAL not hire somebody because they are not of a particular religion?

This is nothing other than one more bucket of manufactured outrage. The majority of CATHOLICS are in favor of this.

And the position of the Bishops on priests poking young boys is entirely relevant, as much as the Catholics may want to deny it... it indicates the moral bankruptcy of said Bishops.



posted on Feb, 11 2012 @ 08:38 AM
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The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.

I'm glad to see the Catholic Church stick to their guns on this issue.
Religious and individual freedom is at stake here...and it's good to see the Church take a stand...

I look for more of this type of activism on the part of groups whose rights may be trampled as more of the hidden agendas in the "health care" fiasco come to light.



ETA
and, FTR, my secular healthcare provider NEVER paid for contraceptives in the entire 30+ years I worked.
BCBS does cover it, but my contract with my employer did NOT.....




As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.

edit on Sat Feb 11 2012 by DontTreadOnMe because: (no reason given)



posted on Feb, 11 2012 @ 08:40 AM
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Yes, they can discriminate.

The government must stay out of hiring and firing decisions by a religious organization, even if a minister sues for employment discrimination, the Supreme Court ruled on Wednesday.

Religious freedom groups praised the decision, and especially the fact that it came from a unanimous court.


abcnews.go.com...

First ammendment issue.



posted on Feb, 11 2012 @ 09:27 AM
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Originally posted by Open_Minded Skeptic
It seems many "Christians", if they are prevented from forcing their religous views down the throats of every freaking body else in the world, they start crying about their religous freedoms being abused.


This is the crux of the matter, IMO. When religious organizations can't discriminate, they cry discrimination. I see it ALL the time.

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That's about a CHURCH. Yes, a church can discriminate. But a hospital is not a church.

Can anyone show me where a religious hospital has the same legal rights as a church? It's my final sticking point on this issue.
edit on 2/11/2012 by Benevolent Heretic because: (no reason given)



posted on Feb, 11 2012 @ 09:33 AM
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it's just distraction
if the RCC had the power to overturn roe vs wade and/or ban contraception
it would have done so long ago.

the dark emperor, the current POSUS
[politi- mods don't like the cute yet truthfully descriptive nicknames i use for the trash]
is just playing a game here and RCC-US is just fine helping in distracting from the really important issues

don't get sucked in folks, it's just like wrestling,

a show to keep your attention away
from the little men behind the curtain,
pulling the puppet strings.
edit on 11-2-2012 by DerepentLEstranger because: added edit



posted on Feb, 11 2012 @ 09:35 AM
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Marco Rubio crucified Obama at CPAC.

Clearly, Obama is a self-righteous ideologue.



posted on Feb, 11 2012 @ 09:38 AM
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Originally posted by beezzer
reply to post by Open_Minded Skeptic
 
Yes, they can discriminate.

The government must stay out of hiring and firing decisions by a religious organization, even if a minister sues for employment discrimination, the Supreme Court ruled on Wednesday.

Religious freedom groups praised the decision, and especially the fact that it came from a unanimous court.


abcnews.go.com...

First ammendment issue.





Obama is shredding the US Constitution and enjoying every minute of it.

He complained on NBC that the US Constitution is slowing him down with his

desired transformation.



posted on Feb, 11 2012 @ 09:47 AM
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Originally posted by newcovenant
reply to post by xuenchen
 


Constitution? That's a laugh.

I think it is more about over population, unwanted, abused children and the sustainability of the planet. In other words common freakin' sense!

No where in the Constitution does it say religious groups should dictate policy.

And people scream about Sharia Law?
That is the same thing. Letting outdated and ancient religious practices and customs dictate social policies in a modern, over populated and fast dying planet.

INSANITY SQUARED.

...and here is more scandal from the revered Catholic institution you honor as the "end all be all"...

Four Priests Charged In Vatican Banking Scandal
www.abovetopsecret.com...


We may as well have the Mafia dictate policies for us.


edit on 11-2-2012 by newcovenant because: (no reason given)


Trouble is,

The HC law has exemptions for some religious groups.

They seem to have left the Catholics out of the internal loop.

This may actually be a Constitutional issue.


www.abovetopsecret.com...


Health bills allow some a religious exemption


Amish families exempt from insurance mandate


exemptions bill's language





edit on Feb-11-2012 by xuenchen because:




posted on Feb, 11 2012 @ 09:50 AM
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Originally posted by DerepentLEstranger
reply to post by xuenchen
 


it's just distraction
if the RCC had the power to overturn roe vs wade and/or ban contraception
it would have done so long ago.

the dark emperor, the current POSUS
[politi- mods don't like the cute yet truthfully descriptive nicknames i use for the trash]
is just playing a game here and RCC-US is just fine helping in distracting from the really important issues

don't get sucked in folks, it's just like wrestling,

a show to keep your attention away
from the little men behind the curtain,
pulling the puppet strings.
edit on 11-2-2012 by DerepentLEstranger because: added edit


Yes, that is the deeper issue.

The "superficial" issues are the distraction.



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