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Originally posted by Gibonz
* The truth behind flouride in drinking water?
Originally posted by karen61057
reply to post by MrSpad
Then I guess it is fair to ask you how you happen to know this term and what it means. Are we to assume that by this statement you are telling us that you are in fact CIA and that you have secret information ?
Do tell.
Originally posted by mbkennel
How exactly is that working out? Who, who has power now, has gained it through UFO/ET coverup?
Originally posted by mbkennel
For the coverup to be deep and profound, as it apparently is if it is true, everybody involved has to stay out of real areas of power.
Originally posted by mbkennel
At best, they get some playtime with toys in a very remote location and they can't actually use them to do anything in the world because then the coverup would be blown. They and the nation have not benefitted.
Originally posted by mbkennel
If all these supposedly evil men Really cared about was to have more warmongering and exotic military technology, why wouldn't they say "we found ET and They're a-Coming to get Us, and they're worse than the Commies! Please fund our Flash Gordon-class starships, and send a very very very very large cheque to Lockheed and subcontractors in my district."
Originally posted by mbkennel
Maybe they're upstanding people and are really doing the right thing? What if it is not their choice to cover-up?
Originally posted by RealitySeeker
Originally posted by mbkennel
How exactly is that working out? Who, who has power now, has gained it through UFO/ET coverup?
Exactly, we don't know exactly. I imagine its not just a single group/organization, but a network of them, thus making it more difficult to identify. They are doing a good job of maintaining their secrecy and their agendas aside from the many government insiders who leak info about stuff. But ultimately unless they can provide tangible evidence, their stories of their experiences are just that, stories. However the nice thing about truth is that it does not change, it does not falter against analyses. So if enough insiders tell their story, the truth will become evident.
Originally posted by mbkennel
For the coverup to be deep and profound, as it apparently is if it is true, everybody involved has to stay out of real areas of power.
What if what the public sees as the real areas of power are just the puppet stages of those behind the curtains.
The two party political system has the public's choices of candidates on lockdown really. Its a choice of the left or right head of the two headed beast. The two heads may speak a different game, but ultimately the crap that comes out of the beast's anus is the same.
Originally posted by mbkennel
At best, they get some playtime with toys in a very remote location and they can't actually use them to do anything in the world because then the coverup would be blown. They and the nation have not benefitted.
For one, I think its somewhat naive to say that they couldn't keep it hidden. For example what of the surface of the moon, or the surface of mars. How would your typical american know what the government is doing in such remote locations without the government telling them. There are quite a lot of conspiracy theories on the governments activities on the moon and mars, and alot of insider stories about the technology they use to get there. Besides how many people know whats going on at area 51 and similar bases. They are perhaps the most secretive places in the world that just for entering the grounds you will be shot dead on sight. That sort of secrecy is just sickening to me, you have to wonder what sort of atrocities they are hidin. Not that it is all necessarily bad, but some of it must be to cause that sort of behavior.
The whole point of keeping things secret is so that the whole nation does not benefit!
This is why it benefits "them". The government isn't a charity, if it is something worth keeping secret, it must have some benefit to those keeping it a secret!
Originally posted by mbkennel
If all these supposedly evil men Really cared about was to have more warmongering and exotic military technology, why wouldn't they say "we found ET and They're a-Coming to get Us, and they're worse than the Commies! Please fund our Flash Gordon-class starships, and send a very very very very large cheque to Lockheed and subcontractors in my district."
They are only going to go into a war that is profitable. Making unbridled war with an alien race with advanced technology is obviously going to be avoided for self preservation reasons. The same sort of reasons we don't do all out nuclear warfare.
Since the invention (or re-discovery) of the nuclear bomb, I think exotic military research has become more subtle. Rather than things which cause indiscriminate destruction, you have research into technology which is more precise and subtle, such as weather control, mind control, teleportation, and time travel.
Publicly USA has the largest military budget in the world by far. Do you really think all of that goes to the conventional (public) aspects of the military.
What of our government's famed monetary waste. One theory I have is that the federal government is actually very good at managing money, its just that the 'waste' is artificial, and all that excess spending ends up in black budgets and non-public special interests. (I admit that may be a stretch hehe)
Besides secret government organizations that have been established long ago, who's leaders are not elected by the people would clearly need to be entirely self sufficient in terms of funding, or at least have black budget funding from other agencies who are in cahoots.
Originally posted by mbkennel
Maybe they're upstanding people and are really doing the right thing? What if it is not their choice to cover-up?
There is always a choice (unless people are being mind controlled through hypnosis), and the choice to keep secrets breeds distrust. The government is supposed to be by the people and for the people, unelected officials in secret agencies should not exist. If such things truly do not exist, then great! But our government has a lot of explaining to do...
Originally posted by dayve
Originally posted by Mysteriousness
reply to post by WanderingThe3rd
I did. And I wrote down his reply. Universities or the Military.
Or... you can apply here....www.cia.gov...
Originally posted by MrSpad
Originally posted by karen61057
reply to post by MrSpad
Then I guess it is fair to ask you how you happen to know this term and what it means. Are we to assume that by this statement you are telling us that you are in fact CIA and that you have secret information ?
Do tell.
You can safely assume I do have a long back ground in intelligence. Anything beyond that would be pure speculation as a variety of military and other government organizations also work hand in hand with the CIA. Beyond that I do non plan on offering anymore details other than I am now retired for the most part. It is safe to say if anyone wants to confirm that someone is or was in the CIA , DIA, NSA etc. that a couple of questions or a quick conversation with such a person could confirm not exactly what they did but, that they at least has some basic knowledge of such things.
Originally posted by mbkennel
As a non-CIA scientist with some knowledge about how government works I'll make some substitute, but I think realistic, answers.
Originally posted by Domo1
I would really caution anyone who has met a 'former govt. agent' to not believe things automatically. I've known a few liars in my day and a number have tried to convince me that they were in some super secret program back in the day. Then again perhaps he proved it somehow. My understanding of high level secrets is that the people involved are usually very compartmentalized. So maybe a few people would know about aliens, but those guys wouldn't know about that cool new spy plane etc.
Ok I'll bite.
Is bigfoot real?
probably not, but this is a question for park rangers and biologists, there is no governmental interest.
Do we have military spacecraft?
Of course, since the days of CORONA. There are multiple DOD and NRO satellites.
I like the JFK question above
Nobody knows anything other than what's in the movies.
Is there a secret ruling elite that make all the world decisions?
rich and powerful people make most of the world's decisions, but there isn't any single global elite, they all disagree and push for their own personal and national interests. Read real newspapers, like the Financial Times and the Wall Street Journal. And "Diaries of an Economic Hitman." The conspiracy is out in the open.
What was/is the most secret base?
places we've seen in Russia and China on the satellites, but haven't a clue what they're about .
Oh here's one, are there better energy sources being kept from the public?
No. All military has a great logistical interest in getting off liquid hydrocarbons, but there isn't anything that's better and practical and economical.
How retarded does he find most conspiracy theories? Are the majority just way off?
Yes. In government, real life is more like the DMV than Hollywood movies. Budgets and paperwork and CYA is what matters.
And finally, can he help me get a job there?
No, government jobs are pretty regimented at the lower level. So if you're less than 28 years old, don't do drugs, and you got a great GPA at a fancy university, you can try to apply through your college recruiting.
Unless you are a political employee which means you come in and out with every Presidential Administration and were probably some kind of campaign flunky or donor.None of us respects these losers, we just endure them and sabotage them.
What of our government's famed monetary waste. One theory I have is that the federal government is actually very good at managing money, its just that the 'waste' is artificial, and all that excess spending ends up in black budgets and non-public special interests. (I admit that may be a stretch hehe)
Yeah we all saw Independence Day. Not so much your theory as Roland Emmerichs huh ?