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Originally posted by victor7
reply to post by MRHIDDENHAND
That's true, the real intention of the thread is to discuss global geopolitics not the details of each battles of any war. The question is therefore, will Russia and China get involved in the Syria Iran issue that has developed and even led to the US conducting beach landing war games on its east coast.
Originally posted by cassandranova
I'm glad to see the discussion continuing.
It seems like the question everyone is asking is where would India go. I think the answer is caught up not in Russia, but Pakistan. It seems almost natural to me that wherever Pakistan is, India will not be, and I see an Iranian/Pakistani axis as forming. I can also see why Russia and China would support that, albeit from a distance.
The thing I think we're really missing in these wargames is the attacking methods. For instance, if I was China, I don't think I'd declare war on the U.S., but I might go cyber crazy in tems of disrupting our vulnerable domestic infrastructure. Think of it like how U.S. convoys kept the UK afloat last time, but in reverse.
I keep thinking that if China and Russia would get drawn in, it would be because they would fear being boxed out of resource markets, as each has their own problem with radical islamists. But Russia has less of a problem than China, so I wonder if the Bear might not dance a bit and stay aside.
In any case, I doubt Russia gets into a hot war over the Middle East, but the comments about Georgia folding up were interesting. If you're Russia, how far south do you go before stopping? Turkey? I imagine Armenia and Azerbaijan would be nice prizes to pick off.
Originally posted by cassandranova
reply to post by victor7
Since we're talking history, I've always read the Russian dream was the reconquest of Constantinople. Let's assume you're right that the Russians march through Georgia and Armenia. Do you think they'd continue on through and into Turkey? To consider that scenario, I guess we'd have to figure out in this game if Turkey orients itself west or east. I've always presumed they would orient west figuring on getting Syria as a prize at the end, but I could see the other side as well.
Could the Greeks ever be Russian allies, especially after the crap they've taken from the west, and their Orthodox legacy? If they did, the Turks could quickly find themselves in a pincer on both sides, and without any help likely to be coming from regional neighbors.
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Originally posted by victor7
reply to post by MRHIDDENHAND
US plan is to conduct regime change in Iran and then use Iran to create Chechnya type problems in Russian south. That would be one big size Chechnya to handle. Also Iran has second largest source of natural gas only after Russia, so having a friendly Iran can give rise to making a Gas OPEC and command the prices.
However, recently like few days ago US and Israel tested their radars and anti missile technologies successfully. This is one major step and defense towards the 100s of missiles that Iran threatens to launch over Israel. Seems other major bet left for Iran is the closing of the Strait of Hormuz. That is why US is practicing landing on the beaches in order to secure the area from any 2-3 man team incursions and planting mines by rubber dingy set afloat from land.
US will attack Iran in coming months. Right now they are making a operations plan to minimize all sorts of causalities and losses and all the while saying to the world that we are giving time for sanctions etc. to work.
Military wise, what can Russia do to thwart these attack plans? If Russia does not do anything then it should be a game of 3-4 weeks before there is a regime change in Iran government.edit on 10-2-2012 by victor7 because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by victor7
Originally posted by phatpackage
Originally posted by victor7
reply to post by Fitch303
India has defense pact with Russia, full mutual defense pact. China takes Russian side then Pakistan jumps in too as it has similar defense pact with China.
India has extremely strong ties with Australia, the UK and the USA as well. They also have extremely strong ties to Israel.
en.wikipedia.org...
India will never side with China ever. This is because of border issues with China and their strong ties with Pakistan.
www.2point6billion.com...
Fantasy talk.
Revisiting Indo-Russia Treaty: It was renewed for another 10 years in 2009 to be good till 2020.
Article IX of the treaty provided that the “contracting parties will consult each other in case of attack or threat thereof to remove such threat and to take appropriate effective measures to ensure peace and security of their countries.”
indrus.in...
CASE CLOSED on which side India would beedit on 9-2-2012 by victor7 because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by victor7
reply to post by lordnightstalker
The only country India has mutual defense pact is Russia. I think India China have annual trade of over $100B.
End of the day, Either India will fight along side the Russian alliance or India will not fight with anyone. This is my guess atleast.
edit on 9-2-2012 by victor7 because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by victor7
reply to post by sonnny1
Indians in India are still pro Russia and suspicious of the US. Those abroad might have different opinion especially their kids. This according to an old retired Indian friend that I talked to few hours ago. He also told me that during cold war, US had aimed 400 nukes on India and all along Pakistani terrorism on India, the US sided and winked at Pak. that is common knowledge about how US lets its friends get away with crap.
India China trade is 75B in 2011 while only 57B with US in the same year. India can do trade of $75B with China that means your article about 1962 war holds little weight.
Heck majority of Indian weapons are Russian origin, so if they fight against Russia then they will not get spare parts and won't be able to offer any help to anyone including themselves.