This is why the occupy movement MUST BE STOPPED!!!

Think you may find this video interesting. They employees of YMCA not only LET the protesters in the building, but ALSO showed them where the back door to avoid the police kettle.

@ 34 seconds "ask them to let us in there"



Notice the route they had to take to get out of the building.

You may also find this video interesting.



and this one



Dont believe everything you read in the media.

www.ustream.tv... - minute 56.


Also this interview the next day

link

Originally posted by seabag

Originally posted by jacobe001
reply to post by seabag

 

Indeed, it is only just beginning
We need to take this country back from the criminals at the top.

In socialism, the few at the top enjoy the privileges while everyone else suffers.
Which is exactly what we have going on.

Soros, Obama, Bank of America, Government Sachs, Foodstamp JP Morgran are all trade marks of socialism for the rich. And soon to come, Healthcare Citibank or some other greedy Wall Street institution.

We need to separate the too big to fail, the socialistic bailouts, the crony contracts, the money passing, and get the government serving the people again and not the few elite.

I support Occupy to get this corruption out of our government.

HUH? So you are one of the well-intentioned Americans being duped! I suggest you go back one page and re-read the post by ElectricUniverse

OWS is ALL ABOUT promoting the socialist agenda. You and many others are being used as pawns to fight FOR the very thing you claim to be AGAINST. Do some research on this, bro...for real.

Huh indeed...

Can you tell me how OWS promotes a socialist agenda?

You know what convinces me that the Elite have NOTHING to do with Occupy? because if they did the media would not be as biased against them, the Elite own the media, if they wanted to create a revolution to promote a socialist agenda they would use the media to promote it in a positive light.

Just how exactly is Occupy supposed to succeed and accomplish socialist goals if the same elites who apparently want it ridicule them, ignore them and stop them protesting?

Just how exactly is a leaderless movement going to force all its members to accept something they do not want? specially if you take into consideration that for any significant change to happen you will probably need like 2+ million protesting at DC.... how are THEY going to control and force protests of millions to go home and shut up after being tricked into a socialist agenda?

It is my believe that OWS is the movement it claims to be, the elites know this and have used the mass media to belittle them, ridicule them and create false information to stop them from growing, not to mention how much the HIGHLIGHT the bad and ignore the good.

Let's pretend for a moment that OWS has never existed and me and you decide to set up something similar, lets call it "The People vs The Psychopaths movement" and this is aimed against people who influence the economy and politics for their own agendas.

What do you think will happen once those Psychopaths sees what we are doing? will they let us use their tools (media) to accuse them? will they let us protest peacefully without getting agent provocateurs amongst us?

What about when people join us? would you let them? or would you do a criminal check on them and ask for work references? remember if you dont then they could be anybody, anarchists, secret agents, communist, etc..

Basically.... how can a movement such as ours grow without elite influences trying to take it apart? and how can you do it peacefully? if you can answer that then you have saved your country

reply to post by Vizzle


Thanks for sharing Vizzle
and
Thank God for the ability in this day and age for Personal Media devices, because otherwise, you know the corporate owned government media would have the upper hand with their lies.

Please forgive me, I have not read most of this thread and I am simple-minded. Please check my thinking.
I see four possibilities;

1.) OWS gains the support of people and becomes a political force bringing about change.

2.) OWS doesn't gain the support of the people and goes home.

3.) OWS doesn't gain the support of the people but declares revolution and detroys the country.

4.) OWS doesn't gain the support of the people but declare revolution and gets killed or imprisoned.

Are there alternatives? I happen to like 1.) and 2.), but my fear is that OWS likes 3.) and 4.). I know OWS says they want to gain the support of the people for change, but man, they're going about it in a funny way.

In the fall of last year a little over a third of Americans thought OWS was a public nuisance. Not "I don't support them," but "they are a nuisance." I don't think their current publicity campaign is helping. Is OWS out of control? A mob? That's heading for revolution unless they go home. Is revolution what they want?

Help me out here guys.

With respect,
Charles1952

reply to post by jacobe001

Yea because deep down, you probably worship Obama but like to play the divide and conquer game.

You don’t know me well…even by ATS standards!

Obama is a cockroach Wall Street pimp, with half his team from Wall Street, and and a Corporate Whore, but when people go after these Wall Street Cockroaches, people like you cry foul.

“People like me” are not your enemy. If anything, I’m trying to help you. I agree with your statement about Obama. We disagree about the solution. Holding signs, defending OWS on ATS, burning trash cans and destroying property won’t solve anything - as much as you WANT it to. All the legit OWS’ers are doing is releasing aggression. I do that at the GYM. When I want to get something done, I work to fix the system not destroy it and talk trash about it.

You want the same criminals to continue the circle jerk where they trade places between Wall Street and the Government and Wall Street and screw over everyone else.

Absolutely not! As I stated…we have a different method to problem solving. Mine has worked since the beginning of time; your method has led to chaos and destruction.

Originally posted by Xality

Huh indeed...

Can you tell me how OWS promotes a socialist agenda?

I urge you to read the post you replied to BEFORE commenting. I provided an example of HOW OWS PROMOTES SOCIALISM!

Please pay attention! If you need more clarification, begin by re-reading this thread! If you still have doubts, hit me up!

Seriously reminds me of when OCP in Robocop movies get down and dirty in the city.

Originally posted by Xality


Can you tell me how OWS promotes a socialist agenda?

Nuff said.......

reply to post by seabag


I did see that and I already said it was hilarious because people who have designed posters at my Occupy did not even know the meaning of the fist when questioned, once it was explained they understood and decided not to use the fist in the future.

Which means that:

If we took his poster out in a protest and were photographed with it then people like you and the dude who made the post would automatically think that me and all those in the picture are promoting a socialist agenda when in fact the one who made it did not know it meant socialism, many others did not know either, just me another bloke knew it.

And as I said... in my post... how can you get millions to protest about something they want and then get government doing the opposite? all hell would break loose.... or do you think the Occupiers will just go: "oh, damn, we were tricked.... oh well, lets all go home and let them carry on"?

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This kinda reminds me when I was a kid and loved heavy metal, to me a pentagram was just a design that looked cool to draw, same as the swastika... does this make me a Satanist/Nazi? I never felt like killing jews or selling my soul to satan.

You can be open minded enough to see that many kids simply associate the fist with revolution, or uprise, revolt without even thinking about socialism, right?

Originally posted by seabag

Originally posted by Xality

Huh indeed...

Can you tell me how OWS promotes a socialist agenda?

I urge you to read the post you replied to BEFORE commenting. I provided an example of HOW OWS PROMOTES SOCIALISM!

Please pay attention! If you need more clarification, begin by re-reading this thread! If you still have doubts, hit me up!

And your point is? You are averse to people getting cheaper medical treatment with a fairer medical system? Or are you just upset because the nice big CEO's wont get those huge bonuses anymore?

Need a hug?

reply to post by Vizzle


What business does the occupy crowd
have blocking the road.
I can not go out to the road and block
the way of traffic. That is not peaceful protesting.
If the cops have to forcefully remove you from
the road, a building, anywhere you have went
from passive peaceful protesting to hands on
resistance and refusal to move. Violence is a action
between two different forces defending there stance.
Since the road is public the occupiers should not be
defending the road from people who are driving on it.
However the police were forced to move them out
of the way. The YMCA doors were broken so they could
go through to get out the back of the building.
Protesters also marched toward the YMCA, where police made mass arrests when a group entered the building.
Other demonstrators broke into Oakland’s City Hall and vandalized it.violent occupy
They would
of never been arrested if they did not break up into groups, one occupy group attacking the YMCA
as a diversion and the rest tearing up city hall why the cops attention was on the YMCA
That is then when our upstanding occupy folks burnt the american flag...

reply to post by sonnny1


Ok, I looked into this "World Workers Party" to see what they are all about
First time I have heard of them by the way:

Its looks like they are not some newcomer on the scene but have been around for a long time:

1959 to be exact.

That puts to rest that it is some recent startup, like by for example Soros.

Furthermore,
They don't seem to have a large following as indicated by the votes on presidential tickets:

Year President Vice-President Votes
1980 Deirdre Griswold Gavrielle Holmes 13,285 (0,02%)
1984 Larry Holmes, in some states Gavrielle Holmes Gloria LaRiva 17,985 (0,02%)
1988 Larry Holmes Gloria La Riva 7,846 (0,01%)
1992 Gloria La Riva Larry Holmes 181 (0,00%)
1996 Monica Moorehead Gloria LaRiva 29,083 (0.03%)
2000 Monica Moorehead Gloria LaRiva 4,795 (0,00%)
2004 John Parker Teresa Gutierrez 1,646 (0,00%), includes votes on the Liberty Union Party line in Vermont
2008 No candidate, endorsed Cynthia McKinney No candidate, endorsed Rosa Clemente n.a.


And in fact, their following has decreased in past years.
They hardly seem a threat to the system.

Sorry, this is a smoke screen I believe by TPTB in order to scream communism in order to disenfranchise the Occupy movement, among the majority American Populace.

American's do not want communism and this as clear as day.
From the people I have associated with, all of them agree the corruption and merger of corporate and state power must be ended.

If, TPTB were funding it, you would see a hands off approach on the protests, in order to allow it to grow.
You would see positive media coverage as well.

We see none of that!

I also did a search one the internet for Polls involving OWS, Communism and Socialism and came across a few where the majority in favor of OWS were against Communism and Socialism.


And these polls I viewed were on forums, rather than Main Stream Media websites.
Just every day American's with no media ties

reply to post by jacobe001


Whats the best way to gather like minded individuals?

Its not smoke and mirrors.

Too many people are saying just that.

I just showed you divisive elements at these protests......

But you clearly dont want to see them,for what they are.




Heres some more... What excuses will be used,I wonder?

www.abovetopsecret.com...

reply to post by sonnny1


You can show me all the Communist Supporters you want, but unless you can show me where the majority of American's support Communism, then it is a moot point.

The movement will advance in getting the corruption out of our government, and once that is done, as pointed out above, any movement to a communist government will fall flat on its face, because as I have shown, the majority of American's do no support it.

It is just like picking the lessor of two evils, which we all know so well in past when it comes to choosing presidents they offer us to pick from.

In this movement, I follow those that want an end to the corruption and in my travels and experience, I have come across many with the same sentiments and very little in support of Communism.

If there were so many communist supporters, where are they on this board?
I don't even see these supporters on other forums I frequent.


Where are all these communist / socialist supporters out there that number in the millions, whom are a threat to the system????

Originally posted by jacobe001
reply to post by sonnny1

 

You can show me all the Communist Supporters you want, but unless you can show me where the majority of American's support Communism, then it is a moot point.

I guess the same can be said with the whole Occupy movement.Unless you can show me that the majority of Americans support, and have protested,then the moniker of representing 99% is false and misleading,and an outright LIE.

Clearly we can agree on this,right?

Originally posted by mr-lizard

And your point is? You are averse to people getting cheaper medical treatment with a fairer medical system? Or are you just upset because the nice big CEO's wont get those huge bonuses anymore?

Need a hug?

Nah, he just wants to keep believing in what limbaugh and hannity tell him. Then all is well in his universe.

reply to post by sonnny1


I have heard that before.
As I understand it, the phrase is "We are the 99%"

And this is indeed correct in that they are part of the 99%

en.wikipedia.org...

We are the 99% is a political slogan widely used by the "Occupy" protesters.[1] It was originally the name of a Tumblr blog page launched in late August 2011 by an anonymous 28-year-old New York activist named "Chris."[2][3][4] The phrase indirectly refers to the vast concentration of wealth among the top 1% of income earners compared to the other 99%, and reflects a commonly held belief that the common people ("the 99%") are paying the price for the mistakes of a tiny minority.[5][6][7] The phrase was picked up as a unifying slogan[8] by the Occupy movement.[9] According to the Wall Street Journal, a person needs to earn at least $506,000 annually to be in the top 1% of the income distribution in the United States.[10]

I do not see the word represent any where in there.

I am part of the 99% as well based upon the above definition.

I am also an American.

If someone says "We are American's" does not mean they represent me.
But it would be true that I am an American.

reply to post by jacobe001


Excuses....:cough: cough: I mean semantics..........

Whatever fits the the glove perfectly.

See,Occupy failed because it wants no leaders,and has no leaders. To many Indians,and NO chiefs.

Too many groups of disenfranchised people,with different goals,and agendas.

You can claim its peaceful,I can show you it has become violent.

You can claim its for the people,I can show you it doesn't represent me .

You can claim that Politics arnt involved,I can show you they want their own political party.

Its hypocrisy,at its finest.

Thats what the EVERYDAY American sees in it,and thats why you didn't have MILLIONS of Americans joining.

Originally posted by sonnny1

Originally posted by Xality


Can you tell me how OWS promotes a socialist agenda?

Nuff said.......

Oh wow!!! so a Socialist party supports what OWS does?!?!?!?! OMG SHOCKING!!!

So lets think this from a different angle....

You would expect a movement that is gathering momentum against the establishment not to get any support from its old enemies?

They are just supporting the movement, just like we in Occupy (we as in ppl who do not support a particular system) have asked for support in many different types of "parties"... if they want to support us and at the same time try to get us to go to their Socialist Party meetings then fair enough...most of us wont bother or give it a second thought though... and no, we have not actually asked a Socialist group to join us yet btw, but I might now, thanks for the idea.

As I already said... lets pretend that somehow this movement is secretly led by socialists to gather enough public support to stage a revolution, in my occupy no one supports socialism and I have not met any socialists at other sites, I have met a few anarchists though.

So the government then changes things to suit THEMSELVES and not the people... do you seriously think that the vast majority of the country will just turn around and go home?

For OWS to succeed it needs people, if OWS gets the support needed and the government tricks us it will be even EASIER to change it again as then people would be better connected because of their experiences to get to go back into revolution/change stages... if OWS takes 3-4 years to get going it would take like 2 months to regroup again (if that!) in case of deception by our leaders.

This is why this "they are communists/socialists/marxists/anarchists" nonsense doesnt add up, because most of us are not after any of those things, we are after something that gets rid of the corruption and wickedness in high places, ending the fed, lobbying, etc... I would say the majority of people, the 99% are after those things too and not socialism or another ism.

And in a way I am against every political system made so far, why? because all current systems seem to rely on infinite grow to be "successful"... can't you see a problem with that? but it seems people think Capitalism, Communism and all other isms are the only options... men created all those isms, men can create something better.

So let me clarify what I have read with many Anti-OWSers

For a successful movement to occur that would entice you all to take part it would take:

1) No members would be allowed in if associated with a different political party/system
2) If you protest then make sure you run away if the police show up
2b) (as some ppl say opposite) If the cops show up FIGHT!
3) If you voted for the current president you cant take part in the protest.
4) No one is allowed to have signs (as they can be misinterpreted)
5) No one is allowed to ever be in a vulnerable position when mass media are present
6) All members are required to know the economy and laws better than the elites in order to provide good statements to the media
7) If you wear an Emblem/Logo you must research its origins fully to understand its meaning.
8) Dress Code
9) As we are non-religious you will have to either a) give up your faith b) do not show what religion you support
10) Daily shower is a must.
11) You MUST have a job to protest, otherwise it doesnt matter.
12) Even with all the points above, you still need to apply to 99% of the population

Well that sounds like it would be a very successful movement