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This is why the occupy movement MUST BE STOPPED!!!

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posted on Jan, 31 2012 @ 12:29 PM
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The use of coercive force in a way the community doesn't appreciate can't be the way to solve it. You escalate the conflict, hopes of peace are lost.




posted on Jan, 31 2012 @ 12:36 PM
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They don’t want peace; they want to violently overthrow the country, hang Wall Street’ers, hang corrupt politicians, burn down the perceived 1%’ers, then remake America into a socialist utopia.

You’re wasting your time trying to understand this group. Most of its well-intentioned supporters don’t even realize they are contributing to the destruction of the country and the collapse of the economy.

Truly sad!!



posted on Jan, 31 2012 @ 12:38 PM
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You forgot to call them communist-terrorists, oh nevermind you did already.
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posted on Jan, 31 2012 @ 12:40 PM
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I wish more cities had the b@lls oakland had.



posted on Jan, 31 2012 @ 12:43 PM
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One the Occupy Movements numbers exceed this weakened nations ability to control you will see the scales tip. Their are only so many police and the military may refuse to turn their weapons on americans that are doing something that each individual soldier in their heart may be in some agreement with. American soldiers will not want to point their guns at their fathers, sons, mothers, daughters so what's big govt. gonna do???? call china to help?



posted on Jan, 31 2012 @ 12:44 PM
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I don't think you understand, I'm a wannabe pusher of the prominent force of anarchy on this internet. I "was" a moderator of r/anarchism on Reddit, a place where the Occupy Movement grew to what it is today. I can't claim any glory in achieving what they do without me, I am merely the vessel of how their signal grew. My link junkie nature took me to cross-pollinating Occupy Movements in Reddit, not shouting in the streets.

I know what Occupy Wallstreet is, I was there from the beginning as it grew into the campaign you see today. I heard rumblings of it coming cause I had my ears to the ground for exactly this.

Don't presume to know much about me, I know so much more about who is supporting Occupy that I want to. Merely my lack of understanding can't be held against me, I've got the noise, I've got the signal, the power to use noise as signal is my specialty.

Angel of Interference.



posted on Jan, 31 2012 @ 12:46 PM
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OWS will be rightfully crushed.

Violent criminals are met with violent force. Besides, the OWS'ers willing to die for this sick cause is 0.0001%! Get real!


There are more extremely violent gang-bangers and drug cartel members in this country WILLING to use violence than there are militant OWS’ers and these people don’t have the power to overthrow the country, so what makes anyone think OWS has the power? Fantasy land??

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posted on Jan, 31 2012 @ 12:47 PM
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Originally posted by seabag
You’re wasting your time trying to understand this group. Most of its well-intentioned supporters don’t even realize they are contributing to the destruction of the country and the collapse of the economy

Nothing ruins a Good Fascist state like "well-intentioned supporters"

(whispers to Seabag) rumour has it they burn flags



posted on Jan, 31 2012 @ 12:56 PM
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Hey, Tw0Sides!

I’d take mild fascism over anarchy any day!!


OWS can’t even organize its message! What makes anyone think they could orchestrate any significant change in this (or any) country? Laughable!!


I say let the tear gas and rubber bullets fly if they get out of hand - Force will be met with force. A country cannot allow the lunatics to run the asylum!



posted on Jan, 31 2012 @ 01:16 PM
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In some cases, violence is necessary...



"we attempt to form a strong political base based in the community with the only strength that we have and thats the strength of a potentially destructive force If we don’t get freedom.”
-Huey Newton



posted on Jan, 31 2012 @ 01:41 PM
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Originally posted by seabag....
They don’t want peace; they want to violently overthrow the country, hang Wall Street’ers, hang corrupt politicians, burn down the perceived 1%’ers, then remake America into a socialist utopia.


Socialist? Interesting as I never read that in any OWS hand out. OWS is sick of politicians selling the country out for personal gain, and for your friends buying influence, senators, congressmen, and judges. If you are looking for a catalyst, look no further than "Citizens United" or the "Patriot Act. Or perhaps our invasion of a country that did nothing to us except having ownership of 25% of the worlds oil reserves. Or could it be that Americans are tired of watching their elections be stolen? Or possibly watch as banks were going under that your friends handed them $1 trillion of our money, and then laid off 10% of the work force?

Socialism? Please.... you typed much more intelligent than using a Republican buzzword for America's push back against your plutocracy.

The issue here is "we, the people of the United States" are no longer represented in our own government, and the people we elected to represent us are selling us out as fast as they can hide their pay offs.


Originally posted by seabag....You’re wasting your time trying to understand this group. Most of its well-intentioned supporters don’t even realize they are contributing to the destruction of the country and the collapse of the economy. ..sad!!


Really? Or could it be that we want the hands of the clock turned back to when a man could support his family and his vote actually counted for something? Back to when companies didn't get tax breaks to outsource our jobs and before corporations were legally decided to be 'people' and their money 'free speech'. Socialism?????? Gimme a break.

You people are unbelievable. You try and turn our country into a Banana Republic and are outraged when "we, the people of the United States" say.... ENOUGH IS ENOUGH.

I ask you to respond to this post. Defend your views and I will take your arguments apart piece by piece. No matter what you think you know, all anyone has to do is to remember the way things were and look at what we have now. Look at what 30 years of Republican governance has brought America. You're in an absolutely indefensible position and if are smart, will let this rant of mine go. Although, if the truth be told, I really hope you do respond....

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posted on Jan, 31 2012 @ 01:47 PM
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Originally posted by ClydeFrog42
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In some cases, violence is necessary...



"we attempt to form a strong political base based in the community with the only strength that we have and thats the strength of a potentially destructive force If we don’t get freedom.”
-Huey Newton


But, violence for the sake of violence shall never persevere. The OWS movement lost the sympathy of the public due to its lack of coherent message and violent attitude. If, they would have put forth a coherent reason for their actions and, more importantly, showed a viable solution, their base would have swelled.

But, they did little more than cause a nuisance, pitch a tent on a sidewalk and crap in a plastic bag. They no longer represent those hurt by the percieved actions, or in actions, of this government. They failed from the start.



posted on Jan, 31 2012 @ 01:58 PM
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Instead of being lazy and asking for a handout, doing something more productive. People who support the OWS movement only talk about the evils of the 1% or whatever. How about instead, these OWS people actually offer a way to change all this. How about they actually do something productive to change whatever it is they're protesting.


In all fairness to occupiers, lobbyists say no!

That's the real problem. How do they get lobbyists both corporate and political out of Washington? Politicians make the laws, yet refuse to change them as both sides are being enriched by this setup.

What to do? It would appear that there isn't a whole heck of alot that anyone can do. We have guns pointed at our .s, whether anyone will admit to it or not.
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posted on Jan, 31 2012 @ 02:11 PM
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What to do? It would appear that there isn't a whole heck of alot that anyone can do. We have guns pointed at our .s, whether anyone will admit to it or not.
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Put flowers in guns, tell them to turn swords to plowshares. Should they shoot us, the fungi on our rotting corpses shall infect them, nature takes its toll on the violent deaths of others. We spread, our cause is infectious and the grass roots movement shakes the Earth. But shaking the Earth to destroy trees, only so new ones can grow, is a violent upheaval. Perhaps to let these new plants grow, we have a controlled burn of old growth, prevent it from becoming dead wood for uncontrolled forest fires later.



posted on Jan, 31 2012 @ 02:26 PM
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They have FEMA camps and they intend to use them. They need civil disorder to implement their plan to end freedom as we know it. These idiots who think they are rebelling are playing into their hands.



posted on Jan, 31 2012 @ 02:40 PM
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Originally posted by Hillarie
They have FEMA camps and they intend to use them. They need civil disorder to implement their plan to end freedom as we know it. These idiots who think they are rebelling are playing into their hands.


They have FEMA camps waiting for us? All the more reason to rebel! This is starting to sound like the gestapo all over again.



posted on Jan, 31 2012 @ 02:50 PM
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I ask you to respond to this post. Defend your views and I will take your arguments apart piece by piece. No matter what you think you know, all anyone has to do is to remember the way things were and look at what we have now. Look at what 30 years of Republican governance has brought America. You're in an absolutely indefensible position and if are smart, will let this rant of mine go. Although, if the truth be told, I really hope you do respond....


Challenge accepted….I hope you’re up to the task!



Socialist? Interesting as I never read that in any OWS hand out. OWS is sick of politicians selling the country out for personal gain, and for your friends buying influence, senators, congressmen, and judges.


Of course you didn’t. The sheeple are never let in on the plan; they are simply led to the slaughter!


If you are looking for a catalyst, look no further than "Citizens United" or the "Patriot Act. Or perhaps our invasion of a country that did nothing to us except having ownership of 25% of the worlds oil reserves.


Speaking of talking points!! Where is all this oil we supposedly fought for in Iraq? Where is it? At some point you need to come to terms with the reality that we have acquired no oil.


Or could it be that Americans are tired of watching their elections be stolen? Or possibly watch as banks were going under that your friends handed them $1 trillion of our money, and then laid off 10% of the work force?


My friends?? HA!!

Please tell me how burning trash cans, destroying public and private property, dumping on police cars, and general civil disobedience is going to fix the election process or the country? I’ll wait…


Socialism? Please.... you typed much more intelligent than using a Republican buzzword for America's push back against your plutocracy. The issue here is "we, the people of the United States" are no longer represented in our own government, and the people we elected to represent us are selling us out as fast as they can hide their pay offs.


Speak for yourself! There are representatives doing my bidding in DC…not enough yet…but there are some there. This will likely improve this November! Bet!



Really? Or could it be that we want the hands of the clock turned back to when a man could support his family and his vote actually counted for something? Back to when companies didn't get tax breaks to outsource our jobs and before corporations were legally decided to be 'people' and their money 'free speech'. Socialism?????? Gimme a break.


Give me a BREAK! I support my family just fine! This lends credibility to my assessment of OWS that many are bottom-feeders who can’t seem to make it in a free market and are looking for a handout!


Let me ask you…who will be there to dole out the freebies when you overthrow the government?



You people are unbelievable. You try and turn our country into a Banana Republic and are outraged when "we, the people of the United States" say.... ENOUGH IS ENOUGH.


You people?? So let me get this straight…

People (like me) who view the morally corrupt miscreants of OWS negatively are YOU PEOPLE and you and the OWS crowds are WE THE PEOPLE??


Good luck taking back YOUR country from PEOPLE LIKE ME.

Wait a minute!!! I thought I was part of the 99%? I've been banished because you don't like my opinion?

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posted on Jan, 31 2012 @ 02:52 PM
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you know its not considered illegal to burn a flag right?



posted on Jan, 31 2012 @ 02:54 PM
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I really was undecided about the occupy movement. I watched some of the arrests in Oakland and kept and open mind. Just a few minutes ago I read about how they have disrupted 3 Pro-Life rallies in Rhode Island within the last week and can see one thing - that they are against is the right to life movement.

www.lifesite.net...


PROVIDENCE, RI, January 30, 2012, (LifeSiteNews.com) – Demonstrators from the Occupy Wall Street movement threw condoms on Catholic schoolgirls, refused to allow a Catholic priest to give a closing prayer, and shouted down a pro-life speaker at a Rhode Island right to life rally on Thursday, according to its organizer. The event marked the third time protesters associated with the movement have disrupted a pro-life meeting in a week.


The pro-life organization’s executive director, Barth E. Bracy talked with one of the occupiers named Dallas and was told:


Dallas told Bracy he was on a 13-city national tour to teach Saul Alinsky tactics to local organizers.



I lost my empathy for them. Why should I care about their right to peaceful protest when they go out of their way to disrupt another group's ability to do the same?

They have more than Wall Street on their mind.



posted on Jan, 31 2012 @ 02:56 PM
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I have been trolling the comments in this thread and I am truly amazed at the mentality of some of these posts. Particularly the ones that are absolutely against the protests (for a wide variety of reasons)!

Out of all of the posts I have seen that were against the protests, all I have seen is hateful messages about why everyone should be against them; but yet, hardly anyone who is against the protestors, have one offer of a solution as to what we need to do to take back our country from the global banksters who have taken it over! Can any of you who are against it, at least be adult enough and look in the mirror and say to yourself, “What am I doing to take back my country?”? Do you really think this bogus election is going to change anything for the better?

Seriously? Burning the flag is a reason to get upset? I am a veteran and I thought I would never see myself seeing the burning of our flag acceptable, UNTIL NOW! What does that flag stand for at the moment? Liberty? Freedom? Really? I am not so sure anymore. You see, one of the things our government uses very successfully in manipulating the masses is the “patriotism” ploy! A true patriot of this country would want to attack the elitists that have taken it over! Not a group of protestors. As a few people have mentioned already, things are not going to change unless we do have violent uprisings. It is very unfortunate, but if you look at history, when has anything been changed for the better without violence? Those in charge, could care less about our peaceful protests. While we protest, they just figure out more ways to tighten the chains of slavery around our throats! If you think your governments care about you, ask yourself this question, “How did we get to where we are, if our governments were not corrupt in the first place?”?

“Oh, look at how the protestors are destroying property!”. Well, maybe so. As I have seen others point out, you will always have idiots that act out in manners that are destructive to ANY cause! I saw a few people mention “agent provocateurs”. Again, for those of you who choose not to accept the fact that agent provocateurs are another weapon used by our government and media to further their agenda........I guess you don't read a whole lot about history. The UK is famous for implanting agent provocateurs into protests. But then again, I guess the good ole USA would NEVER use that kind of underhanded tactic against it citizens. Who do you think starts most of the conflicts in the middle east??? The CIA! They wrote the book on how to stir up uprisings.

Now let's talk about the media. I will have to admit, that the media did a really fine job in only showing the far left groups that seemed to saturate the news casts during the protests, which in turn, made a lot of people mad as hell. For those of you who mention Soros, yes he did infiltrate groups into the protests. Two words, “agent provocateurs”! We saw Obama support the protestors, again, why? After all is he not part of the reason we are having these problems? It is all nothing more than ploys to get people to argue and disagree about the actual cause. Who wins if the propaganda instituted by the media and government succeeds? Who wins if the protests break up? The elitists that are in charge win! Us poor slaves, oh well, we just do what we gotta do and try to scrape by the best we can.

“Divide and Conquer”, is one of the oldest military strategies use thru out history. Our government has used it very successfully! Look at the arguing we do over racial issues. Look at the arguments over religion. Look at politics, look at social classes etc etc....All of these things have been created for a reason. Don't you think it would scare the hell out of those in charge if we could all just work at being decent human beings and ignore all of the bull# that is thrown at us only for the purpose of destroying us???

I am sorry for my rant, but I just can't sit by idly watching people who are in the grasp of mind control so bad, that they are willing to destroy any hope of us changing anything to the positive in this world.

Do I know an answer to all of this? NO,,,,,,I do not. I am fearful to say, that the only thing I see that may change the condition of where we have traveled to, is unfortunately violence and uprising. With that being said, we will never be successful, unless we can work together and point our frustrations at the cause rather than each other.




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