Chemtrails spraying is making us sick

Originally posted by Afterthought
Combine these two "projects" and you have the "tip of the iceberg" evidence for the creation of chemtrails, why they're creating them, and how people are getting sick.

I can't agree with 'people getting sick' part. I think people may be getting sick because of the dramatic change in weather, created by 'chemtrails'. People should keep in mind....TPTB have to breathe this air too. I hardly think they're gonna fund a project, that's going to make them sick. What sense does that make?

I do believe they are working on controlling the weather. Unfortunately, it won't be to help mankind, just to control him. Weather plays a HUGE part, of our mindset. Play with the weather...and you can play with our minds. It's all about 'control'! Imagine how much 'control' they would have, if they could make it rain, where ever they so choose!

Originally posted by nuttin4U
I'm still waiting for 1 of the infamous 'contrail' theorists to explain these pics. They're all from the same day. So, what say you? These are all 'NORMAL', right? Nothing more than 'contrails'?

Like I already said, they look like normal contrails and clouds.

What about them does not look like normal contrails and clouds to you?

Here's one of your pictures:



It's a photo of clouds. What's to rebut?

Originally posted by TheBassistant
reply to post by nuttin4U

 

He probably wont acknowledge them, or if he does he will come up with a certain set of circumstances where contrails become 'persisting contrails' and then go on to explain how the persistent permanence theory dictates that in very rare but actually very common conditions its possible for these contrails to yadda yadda, you get the point. He's done it to me as well, and you're dead on in that he is all quick replies that specialize in shrugging off the questions usually. Good pics, keep it up brother, cheers

Hahahahaha you caught him/her too, huh? Oh and don't forget...these 'clouds' have been around since 1905...and the library is FULL of books with these 'aviation cirrus' clouds. hahahahaha

You can tell....especially when you lurk in the background, without posting a comment, who's what. ProudBird and Unicus are the 2 biggest 'chemtrail' debunkers on here...so, we might as well call them out!

First...TPTB print money out of thin air.....now, they're making clouds, out of thin air. duh:

Hey, NWO....could you drop some MONEY from these planes? Brothas hungry. Oh, and do you think, maybe...just maybe....you could do something POSITIVE and USEFUL, with your new found toys. I mean, people are dying because their crops don't have WATER. Make it rain....."RAIN MAN" :

Edit to add: Just when i thought today, would be a day without trails.....they're baaaaaaaaack. One's flying one way...the other's flying the other way. In VERY close proximity to one another. Waaaaaaaay to close to be commercial flights...for sure. I got a nice pretty picture, this time. I will also say....it's not a 'chemtrail', it's a normal looking 'contrail'.

I've got a theory as to what they're doing....but i'll get back to that later. Let's let the debunkers sink themselves, first. I think ProudBird is gonna need his/her supervisor. The kitchen is gettin' HOT!

Let me also state...i'm only doing this for fun. It's really the only thing that interests me, because of what i see, almost everyday. If they're spraying stuff to exterminate us....who cares? Gotta go sometime....and i doubt it's gonna be from 'chemtrail' poisoning.

Let's ask NASA about aerosols.
terra.nasa.gov...

Why do we care about aerosols?
Aerosols tend to cause cooling of the Earth's surface immediately below them. Because most aerosols reflect sunlight back into space, they have a "direct" cooling effect by reducing the amount of solar radiation that reaches the surface. The magnitude of this cooling effect depends on the size and composition of the aerosol particles, as well as the reflective properties of the underlying surface. It is thought that aerosol cooling may partially offset expected global warming that is attributed to increases in the amount of carbon dioxide from human activity.

That's interesting. They seem to agree with the information from Brookhaven National Laboratory where they discuss manufacturing clouds to offset global warming.

Just to reiterate what was stated earlier:
www.ecd.bnl.gov...

Because uncertainties associated with aerosol forcing are the major source of uncertainty in climate forcing over the industrial period, it is essential in my opinion to focus on the aerosol forcing to advance quantitative understanding of anthropogenically induced climate change. Consequently much of our research is directed to developing such improved understanding.

Modeling atmospheric sulfate on subhemispheric to hemispheric scale. Our group has developed (and continues to develop) a chemical transport model for atmospheric sulfate and precursor species. The output of this model is mixing ratios of sulfate as a function of location and time. The model is driven by observationally derived meteorological data (archived numerical weather prediction forecast model results) so the modeled sulfate may be compared with observations at specific locations and times.

Then, there's this article:
www.ecd.bnl.gov...

He knows society has antidotes to carbon dioxide -- aerosols -- that could postpone the day of reckoning far into the future. And although he dreads a reliance on the aerosols, he knows respected scientists are pursuing aerosol-abatement strategies, and that they could be cost effective and environmentally benign.

Aerosols are liquid or solid substances suspended in air. Many aerosols, such as those associated with cloud formation or those that stem from volcanic emissions, occur naturally. Others, such as emissions from automobiles, smokestacks and coal plants, come of industrial activity.

We know a lot about the carbon dioxide that comes of fossil fuel burning. But we know relatively little about the aerosols that industrial activity produces simultaneously. What we do know will surprise many people: The aerosols act as cooling agents, counteracting the warming effect of the carbon dioxide. Every lump of coal, in effect, contains a store of substances, some of which warm, some of which cool, the atmosphere.

Dr. Schwartz thinks he has a good handle on the degree of warming that comes of carbon dioxide. Here the science is fairly straightforward, he says, because we know how much carbon dioxide enters the atmosphere, we know how long it stays there -- 100 years -- and we know its distribution is fairly uniform globally.

But he doesn't know how much cooling aerosols provide -- the uncertainty surrounding aerosols' cooling properties has long been a dominant mystery in the climate change field. He can say the amount of cooling is very substantial, likely offsetting most of the carbon dioxide the planet produces, and possibly much, much more -- the uncertainty is that great. Conceivably, aerosols are so effective at cooling that humans could double the amount of coal, oil and natural gas we burn and find that aerosols entirely negate the warming for centuries to come.

Aerosols do not need to be produced as a byproduct of industrial activity. They could be manufactured specifically to counteract greenhouse gases, for example via aerosol-producing wind-driven generators that would artificially brighten marine stratus clouds, an option that Dr. Schwartz thinks is likely to be environmentally benign.

Aerosol-producing wind-driven generators to produce stratus clouds? Is this a convoluted way of saying airplanes that spray persisting CONtrails?

reply to post by fleabit

I'm not a chemist, but I work with chemists and geologists on a daily basis, and are very familiar with the sort of work they do, as I am responsible for making sure all their expensive equipment runs on their computers, that the data is correctly stored, etc. I see the reports they conduct, and am responsible for getting all their VPN connectivity going with their clients and labs. You'd be surprised how much security is involved, to ensure the data is secure and correct.

Fair enough, thanks for taking the time to explain what it is exactly you do.

The company I work for is one of the worlds top 10 enviornmental companies - but don't take my word for it. A little bit of research will show you exactly how much testing is done, and what is tested for. No one bothers to do this research. They are only willing to look up stuff they feel is a conspiracy. The don't bother looking up anything that might challenge their stance. Top 200 Enviornmental Firms There you go - the top 200 environmental firms from last year. I work for one of the top 10 on that list. Go to the websites for some of those companies, and see the sort of redmediation and testing they conduct. Then you will get an idea how much testing is actually done out there, and how extensive it is.

Thanks for the link as well as the assumptions, I never said I didn't believe these companies/contractors didn't exist though. I'm well aware that they are there, but, looking through the top 4 companies websites (dont have much time atm), they seem to be much more focused on engineering and construction projects, so I'm not sure why you feel like this is supposed to answer my previous questions? Again, pathogens with biofilms are what I am proposing here; rapidly adapting, bio-synthetic organisms that replicate their surroundings which, due to the biofilm, can remain undetected and protected from conventional means of elimination. Wouldn't that be able to slip past even a well-trained eye? Also as I stated previously, Lyme Disease (or a modified version of it utilizing the same spirochete) has : A.) biofilm B.) is difficult to detect in blood tests due to the biofilm, C.) was synthesized by a freakin Nazi scientist, which good ol Uncle Sam intended to use as biological warfare to destroy the enemy (NDAA anyone?) from the inside out. What's so crazy about this theory?

Just because you have never taken the initiative to play devil's advocate with yourself (as most conspiracy folks don't), doesn't mean there isn't testing on an extensive level going on, and on a daily basis.

Nice, always end your reply on a strong note. Resorting again to an assumption about me (which if you're not one of those "conspiracy folk", what do you get out of this website?), and I've acknowledged that there probably is testing going on, I just have my doubts that the tests are 100% accurate.

reply to post by Afterthought

I'm not so sure that sulfates were causing that much problem with our atmosphere. People tend to think things that smell bad to us are bad for the environment also so the government enacts rules that restrict their use. People are happy because their noses are happy. The chemistry they replaced the sulfites with may be worse. Sometimes the government does things just to make voters happy. If someone has logical information on restricting sulfer than please post it. Too much of anything is bad. I remember when converters were first introduced to get rid of carbon monoxide. The thing then was all that comes out of the mufflers now is carbon dioxide and water. Seems that they put their foot in their mouths back then. In forein countries cars get fifty+ MPG and have plenty of power. These cars aren't allowed in the USA. Seems to me if cars burn more gas than they give off more carbon emissions than those that burn less. That sounds logical to me anyway.

Originally posted by Afterthought
Aerosol-producing wind-driven generators to produce stratus clouds? Is this a convoluted way of saying airplanes that spray persisting CONtrails?

No. He's really talking about artificial ship-trails. But of course spraying aerosols from planes HAS been suggested many times as a possible future geoengineering method.

See #4 here:

www.popularmechanics.com...

Like the volcanic eruptions that some researchers hope to imitate, the tops of clouds also reflect solar radiation. Stephen Salter from the University of Edinburgh and John Latham from the National Center for Atmospheric Research in Colorado want them to reflect a little bit more. Increasing the reflective power of the clouds by just three percent could offset humanity's contributions to global warming, Latham says, and the way to do it, he believes, is to spray a whole lot of seawater into the sky.

Originally posted by Uncinus

Originally posted by nuttin4U
I'm still waiting for 1 of the infamous 'contrail' theorists to explain these pics. They're all from the same day. So, what say you? These are all 'NORMAL', right? Nothing more than 'contrails'?

Like I already said, they look like normal contrails and clouds.

What about them does not look like normal contrails and clouds to you?

Here's one of your pictures:

It's a photo of clouds. What's to rebut?

edit on 30-1-2012 by Uncinus because: (no reason given)

Dont PICK which pics you want to showcase...and then say "they look like normal contrails and clouds; it's a photo of clouds; what's to rebut?". Show all the pics i posted. Then talk that talk. Those pics are from the SAME DAY. The 1st picture i linked....is a contrail...the ones after that ARE NOT! And, show them in sequence. Show the people how the day went from clear and blue, to cloudy and grey.

You shills are good...but only to those NEW on ATS.

Originally posted by nuttin4U

Dont PICK which pics you want to showcase...and then say "they look like normal contrails and clouds; it's a photo of clouds; what's to rebut?". Show all the pics i posted. Then talk that talk. Those pics are from the SAME DAY. The 1st picture i linked....is a contrail...the ones after that ARE NOT! And, show them in sequence. Show the people how the day went from clear and blue, to cloudy and grey.

Why didn't you pick and post the pics you want me to rebut?

They all look normal. Contrails sometimes spread out and merge to form a layer of cloud. This has always happened. It's been affecting the weather like that for decades.

Originally posted by nuttin4U

Dont PICK which pics you want to showcase...and then say "they look like normal contrails and clouds; it's a photo of clouds; what's to rebut?". Show all the pics i posted. Then talk that talk. Those pics are from the SAME DAY. The 1st picture i linked....is a contrail...the ones after that ARE NOT! And, show them in sequence. Show the people how the day went from clear and blue, to cloudy and grey.

You shills are good...but only to those NEW on ATS.

So, what you are saying is that if the sky is clear on any given day, clouds should not eventually form? Why isn't this just weather? Some days it's sunny and 90 degrees, but then, slowly but surely, clouds begin to form, a system pushes in and the temperature drops. Now, if on one of those days, there are contrails prior to the front moving in, this is supposed to indicate something nefarious of government doing?

Originally posted by Uncinus

Originally posted by nuttin4U

Dont PICK which pics you want to showcase...and then say "they look like normal contrails and clouds; it's a photo of clouds; what's to rebut?". Show all the pics i posted. Then talk that talk. Those pics are from the SAME DAY. The 1st picture i linked....is a contrail...the ones after that ARE NOT! And, show them in sequence. Show the people how the day went from clear and blue, to cloudy and grey.

Why didn't you pick and post the pics you want me to rebut?

They all look normal. Contrails sometimes spread out and merge to form a layer of cloud. This has always happened. It's been affecting the weather like that for decades.

Ooooooh, nooooooow i get it. We've been calling them by the wrong name. So, 'contrails' are what we call 'chemtrails', right? And you said: "merge". Merge to what, in order to 'form' a cloud?

reply to post by fleabit
I see you work for an environmental testing company. I'm sure the people working there are good and know what they are doing. I understand business well. You are paid to test for certain things and the research is chosen by others. You only test for what you are supposed to test for or jeopardise you're job. A good worker does what his employer asks him to do. I am not saying all companies are like this either. If there were no corporations to polute, you and you're fellow workers would be out of work. That is the way it is. We cannot live on this planet without damaging or changing something that adversly effects something in nature. People don't realize that their thinking is influenced by things that surround them. I think it's good that you are here to comment on what you know. I understand you're point of view. I understand the point of view of most people because I have met all kinds of people. I don't even have a viable solution to the problems facing our world and I'm sure there are many people trying to figure it out with what they have experienced. We are going to make mistakes in our quest to fix the problems we have created but hopefully we can suceed in corecting the ecological problems happening everywhere. I know that fixing this problem has to include changing to a simpler lifestyle by most regular people. It gives oportunity also. Small markets are needed in residential neighborhoods again so people can walk to the store. Walking is exercise and socializing with others while walking can be beneficial to health also. There's much to gain by simplifying life. Maybe the sun will help us along by getting us used to living without things in the next few years. I look at the good that can come out of things. My only fear is that nothing will change and that my grandchildren will have to deal with problems we have created. I try to teach them of a simpler life but they don't listen. You don't need expensive hiking clothes to take a slow walk in the woods. I have more of a problem with commercialism in our society trying to sell us things we really don't need. In turn we destroy the environment producing these things. Is there a cure for stupidity? No I doubt it. Most people would disagree with me or agree and then go buy something green to reward themselves for seeing what I see. Kinda sucks how something you think you say gets turned around sometimes. You don't have to buy green, unless you need a hoe.

Originally posted by COconspiracyguy

And everytime someone responds in these forums that is completely anti-chemtrail, we log their user name. We have amassed a rather large database of info on these individuals. You be surprised how many are govt paid meteorologists, scientist, etc. But the most surprising is how many work for the US military...People are not as anonymous as they think. Many have several accounts on the same websites.

edit on 30-1-2012 by COconspiracyguy because: (no reason given)

Ooh, scary! A database of info on individuals? That's really, really weird and a bit creepy; and that's quite the accomplishment around here! You log them why? I'll save ya the trouble. Weather modification is real. Not hidden nor secret. It's openly talked about all the time. The rest of the "chemtrail" stuff is bunk. However, I do respect your right to have a hobby.

For logging purposes, I work for the government.

I do like the new types of clouds lately and the sunsets were beautiful all summer even if they were manmade. I haven't seen so much color in the sky so consistantly in all my life.

Originally posted by nuttin4U
Ooooooh, nooooooow i get it. We've been calling them by the wrong name. So, 'contrails' are what we call 'chemtrails', right? And you said: "merge". Merge to what, in order to 'form' a cloud?

That's right. Except that people have been claiming that some of the trails are not contrails and that they are "chemtrails".

They merge with each other. If you get several trails they may spread out and merge into a layer of cloud. Like these, in 1969:

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/31b490e1a5f3.jpg[/atsimg]

Originally posted by usernameconspiracy

Originally posted by nuttin4U

Dont PICK which pics you want to showcase...and then say "they look like normal contrails and clouds; it's a photo of clouds; what's to rebut?". Show all the pics i posted. Then talk that talk. Those pics are from the SAME DAY. The 1st picture i linked....is a contrail...the ones after that ARE NOT! And, show them in sequence. Show the people how the day went from clear and blue, to cloudy and grey.

You shills are good...but only to those NEW on ATS.

So, what you are saying is that if the sky is clear on any given day, clouds should not eventually form? Why isn't this just weather? Some days it's sunny and 90 degrees, but then, slowly but surely, clouds begin to form, a system pushes in and the temperature drops. Now, if on one of those days, there are contrails prior to the front moving in, this is supposed to indicate something nefarious of government doing?

No! What i'm saying is: i've been living in my environment, for long enough to KNOW the difference. That's what i'm saying. If you live in New York...you KNOW it's going to snow....sometime in Jan-Feb...and if it doesn't, you think it strange. What i know...is this: I bought a pool 6 years ago...because it used to get so hot here, you could fry an egg on the sidewalk. And guess what? I haven't put my pool up in over 4 years. No need to. Summers are NOT what they used to be. At times...i'm still wearing sweat pants. And you know what else...i used to leave my pool up....for about 9-10 months. I would take it down around Feb and put it back up in May.

I'm also saying that i've witnessed the EFFECTS of these trails...and started preparing my house for rain, everytime they started leaving their trails. And, like clockwork, they delivered. At times, i ignored the trails...and said: Ah, i'll wait to fix that leak, it's a beautiful day! And guess what? I've gotten caught with my pants down. Trails came out, i didn't fix that leak...and water was dripping inside my house.

You people can talk all the science you want. I'm talking OBSERVATION. And that, is SCIENCE!!!

9-11 opened my eyes...to many, MANY things....and i am NOT going back to sleep! When SHTF, i want to be READY and PREPARED!!!!

This morning in Lubbock Tx.

Im kinda new to all this, not sure i COMPLETELY buy into the chemtrail theories, but never the less, its very interesting to read into you smart folks opinions and explore the possibilities.I clicked on this thread this morning while having my coffee, then went outside to find a sky full of these and coundnt resist not feeling like i needed to share the coincidence of reading about them then stepping out to see a sky full of these this morning
This website had opened my eyes to many possibility's and I thank you for all you guys input. Ive been lurking on this site for 6 months now and find so many things appealing and interesting to me , that i finally had to get involved. I don't consider myself intelligent enough to hang with most of the conversations on here, but enjoy most the topics and opinions. Cuddos To you Gentlemen and ladies for your time and research on here !

When i first went out this morning i thought it might just be odd cloud patterns and a Passenger plane that caused a couple contrails, then i saw the actual planes flying back and forth, not emitting the contrails until over the city so it raised eyebrow with me. Then the way it dissipated was puzzling as well....

reply to post by AHUGE1


Your photos seem to show normal persistent spreading contrails. They form and persist like that dependent upon the weather conditions aloft.

Here's an explanation of the different types:

science-edu.larc.nasa.gov...

This is an interesting read:
www.chemtrails.ch...

First Rule of Understanding: There are very large, winner-take-all games orchestrated by the Global Interests of the World. We have investigated, researched and found substantial evidence of a multiplicity of Global operations designed to mitigate various and theoretical Global catastrophes, as defined by a late 1980's and 1990's International Panel of Conferees. (The value of who are they, what's the politics smell like and all that is not of the utmost importance in our attempt, herein, to describe what serious destruction they have caused and are causing to Humans and our Finite Environment. (Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change: www.ipcc.ch...)

1 Many of the operations we have collectively found in our investigations of this debacle have remained a secret, classified and not for general populace information or knowledge. You must answer the question, Dear Reader as to why someone would possibly deploy these Geo-weapons. Just follow the money trails. We will yield all of our voluminous data, information and all references we have used in our validation of facts surrounding this Global atrocity. The recipients of this information must be interested enough in what we are trying to expose, the Human-health risks, the Environmental risks and the plain, simple "wrongness" that prevails. We must determine first if you are provoked to really care, because the research and development of this information for a Major Media whistle-blowing expose will require passion and dedication. Our research work has spanned almost five years of....watching and discovering, with disgust, the scenarios which follow. This is not a small task.....but the Mission is simple. Expose and Stop the Methodic Demolition of our Natural Earth and its inhabitants. Executive Summary Dr. Edward Teller wrote a white paper in the late 1990's describing a remedial operation, strategy, epic-in-proportion, to change the predicted course of what was believed by an International group of Scientists, including Dr. Edward Teller, Livermore National Laboratories, et al, to be the cataclysmic certainty from the results of global-warming, crisis level Ultra-Violet/Cosmic radiation, crisis Ozone-layer depletion and other theoretical doom. (Edward Teller's "Sun Screen" Document - PDF: www.rense.com...)

Hmm. "Sun Screen" is an apt title. It does appear to be the name of the game. I'm going to take a look around these documents and I'll post anything that seems significant.