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Chemtrails spraying is making us sick

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posted on Jan, 30 2012 @ 04:12 AM
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More Chemtrail hypocrisy rears its head I see.

While it is perfectly acceptable for pro-Chemtrailers to use the (misquoted) results the makers of WITWATS obtained from scooping mud off the ground and claiming it as a sample of water from chemtrails, a specialist company that conducts highly detailed sampling as a matter of course may not have equipment that is up to the job? This gets madder every day.


As to the question of people who have witnessed aircraft spraying chemtrails with their own eyes, that's easy. They are watching contrails from high flying jets and a mixture of not understanding the reality of contrails coupled with a predisposition or gullibility towards believing in far fetched theory over fact convinces them.

This thread has mentioned the thing that kills it, for me. Chemtrails, having been sprayed daily and globally for 15 years (at least) leave no detectable trace of anything at all, almost as if it was just water that went back into the Eco system all by itself. But everyone is SO certain that it can't be that, for no reason whatsoever.




posted on Jan, 30 2012 @ 05:08 AM
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Originally posted by killemall
Chemtrails everywhere around here recently just before the rain came along and all of a sudden we are all having flu like symptoms and it summer, go figure that one out.
We have sore throats, coughs, headaches and tiredness. We have seen a large increase in cold sores amongst the everyday people (IMMUNE SYSTEMS DROPPING) and no one seems to have any energy.

Chemtrails were sprayed heavily a few weeks back every day for weeks and most likely the entire time we have had rain they've been spraying above the rain.
Have you rain water tested (I recommend by 2 or 3 independent labs). You will be surprised what results come back.




You are right that SOMETIMES (not always) they do put illnesses such as the Norovirus and the Flu inside Chemtrails. Year after year you notice huge spraying (often on the exact same dates) which precede epidemic illnesses that go on to close hospital wards. It's important for people to realize that Chemtrails are multipurpose, their main purpose is geoengineering, but they are also used for spraying us with illness.

When the West wages war on Iran, we will be told that Iranian/Muslim Terrorists have released Bird Flu in retaliation, but in reality it will be our own controllers who are spraying a non-contagious form from the sky. They will be spraying it on target areas, a lot of which have been indentified after the recent censuses. (mainly areas with higher unemployment). We'll be told we're catching bird flu off our neighbors. The Bird Flu will be used as an excuse to show No Mercy for Iran, being totally ruthless. It is also an excuse to attack us with vaccinations, which will in reality be injections to decrease our lifespans and fertility rates. This is the huge depopulation that we've been hearing about, it's coming, and this is how it's been designed.

They want the Internet closed up before this begins, to make sure that we can't warn people about what's going on. That's what SOPA, PIPA and ACTA are about. So the war on Iran is actually a war on us. When the Bankers attack people in a country that they already control, they do not use tanks, instead it is covert; with Myths and Vaccines.

After the huge number of 'Bird Flu' deaths, which wasn't Bird Flu at all, Muslims/Religion will be blamed for the atrocity. This will bring the United Nations a big step closer to completely banning religion; the United Nations want to be the only Control Mechanism, they see religions as being their rivals
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posted on Jan, 30 2012 @ 06:56 AM
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You are right that SOMETIMES (not always) they do put illnesses such as the Norovirus and the Flu inside Chemtrails


Do you have ANY proof of that statement?

You say "SOMETIMES (not always)" making it seem that it is more than just your opinion, yet you give no sources for this claim...
Is that because there are none?



posted on Jan, 30 2012 @ 07:12 AM
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I'm not sure exactly what they are doing, possibly researching Geoengeneering of the atmosphere or something. They are probably using nano metalics in water. If you throw molten metal into water it's rapid cooling impregnates the water molecules with metal ions in almost a colloidal suspension. This water could be sprayed in the atmosphere hypothetically to have certain effects on weather. Too much of one colloidal metal in the air could cause health problems, especially heavier metals. I would hope this is what they are spraying instead of manmade chemicals. That would be too cheap though and our government never invests in cheap.

If you did impregnate the atmosphere with nanometals, you may be able to influence cloud formation with frequencies then. So what are they messing with? Probably some mad scientists idea that will eventually cause nothing but grief. They need to put people in charge that aren't risk takers. The long term effect of Geoengeneering the atmosphere can't be predicted. We don't know how this planet works yet, start the ball rolling and we'll be in another ice age quickly.

I think our government is good at starting rumers to cover their butts. Anything that shifts our eyes from the truth. Wizards ploy has taken over the country. Ask a politian a question and they rarely answer it, shifting our focus to something else. This technique is very old, being used extensively in the middle ages. "you aren't starving, you have plenty of grain to eat. Grain is all you need and if you need more than that there is something wrong with you, you're sick, and we'll have to lock you in a cell to keep it from spreading" This may be an unreal example but I'm trying to portray a patern. Have you ever really studied what happened during the Irish potato famine or do you accept what you're history book said.
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posted on Jan, 30 2012 @ 07:51 AM
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Originally posted by Chamberf=6
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You are right that SOMETIMES (not always) they do put illnesses such as the Norovirus and the Flu inside Chemtrails


Do you have ANY proof of that statement?

You say "SOMETIMES (not always)" making it seem that it is more than just your opinion, yet you give no sources for this claim...
Is that because there are none?


I have many, but it would take me about 3 hours to get it all together, for now just be ready for what I've warned of, when it happens you'll think back to the post



posted on Jan, 30 2012 @ 07:52 AM
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I have many, but it would take me about 3 hours to get it all together,


Go ahead.

Start with one credible source showing they are spraying illnesses.



posted on Jan, 30 2012 @ 08:07 AM
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I'm not sure that they intentionally put these things in the chemtrails. Ask yourself, where do they get the water for these chemtrails? Is it water from a pond that could have a virus or bacteria present in it? Is this pure water or is it full of chemicals present in our environment. They probably can't use chlorinated water because it would cause changes to the chemtrails. Does anyone test it after they have had the water added for different chemistry or is the testing done under laboratory conditions. For this to work without adverse effects it's implementation has to be done under lab conditions which is way to expensive to do. All water chemistry is different in nature and what is ok in one place is not ok in others. Using Chemtrails to precipitate stuff out of the air can be dangerous to people with asthma also. there are millions of variables in nature, one size does not fit all properly in most cases. The easiest way to fix this thing is to quit making all these toxins worldwide and to protect the old growth forests if there are any left. Let some of our forests grow back also. cutting them down every fifty years does not protect the ecosystem. A forest doesn't have to look healthy to be healthy either, too much management is not good either. We need more people in charge that understand the woods. I see that to understand the forests you need to go out and camp in the forest. The fish and wildlife service understands this locally. The big expense and risk of this geoengeneering is not cost effective. Trying to preserve nature and getting rid of toxins that we pee into the environment is more sensable. We have to try to go green like most good nongreedy people lived 100 years ago. Instead of recycling metals recycle by repairing or selling things at rummage sales. Put things in the yard that need a little fixing with a free sign and explanation of what seems wrong attached. Someone may like fixing it and breath new life into it. That's real recycling. Spft drinks taste better in glass bottles, so does beer. Lets go back to the old ways. Sounds sorta like a fantacy world, something like our parents enjoyed.



posted on Jan, 30 2012 @ 08:18 AM
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1) He said that they are spraying viruses.

2) He said he had proof.

3) "Chemtrails" aren't even proven.

4) It should be entertaining to see his "proof" for viruses being sprayed in something that doesn't exist in the first place.



posted on Jan, 30 2012 @ 08:47 AM
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The government isn't denying that they are spraying stuff into our atmosphere. At least I haven't seen any denials in my research. They do seem to deny that they are spraying any known toxins into the atmosphere though and that's probably correct. "Known toxins" is my concern



posted on Jan, 30 2012 @ 08:54 AM
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Originally posted by rickymouse
The government isn't denying that they are spraying stuff into our atmosphere. At least I haven't seen any denials in my research. They do seem to deny that they are spraying any known toxins into the atmosphere though and that's probably correct. "Known toxins" is my concern


www.af.mil...



The "Chemtrail" Hoax
A hoax that has been around since 1996 accuses the Air Force of being involved in spraying the
US population with mysterious substances and show various Air Force aircraft "releasing
sprays" or generating unusual contrail patterns. Several authors cite an Air University research
paper titled "Weather as a Force Multiplier: Owning the Weather in 2025"
(www.au.af.mil...) that suggests the Air
Force is conducting weather modification experiments. The purpose of that paper was part of a
thesis to outline a strategy for the use of a future weather modification system to achieve
military objectives and it does not reflect current military policy, practice, or capability.
The Air Force's policy is to observe and forecast the weather. The Air Force is focused on
observing and forecasting the weather so the information can be used to support military
operations. The Air Force is not conducting any weather modification experiments or programs
and has no plans to do so in the future.
The "Chemtrail" hoax has been investigated and refuted by many established and accredited
universities, scientific organizations, and major media publications.



posted on Jan, 30 2012 @ 09:00 AM
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Originally posted by rickymouse
I'm not sure that they intentionally put these things in the chemtrails. Ask yourself, where do they get the water for these chemtrails? Is it water from a pond that could have a virus or bacteria present in it? Is this pure water or is it full of chemicals present in our environment. They probably can't use chlorinated water because it would cause changes to the chemtrails.


Contrails are clouds. They are formed from water in the atmosphere (as all clouds are) plus a little water from the jet engine exhaust (which is why they can form in a cloudless sky). In both cases the water starts out as water vapor (a gas), and hence it's just pure H2O.



posted on Jan, 30 2012 @ 09:03 AM
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Where is the proof? I have often thought how ridiculous whole sale spraying of the entire world as a way of population control/testing/spreadind disease for one simple reason. You are spraying the ENTIRE WORLD!

Now unless there are people with immunity or you take an antidote why would spray everyone, Rich and Poor!


Are you telling me the Rich have a secret meeting and stay indoors those days? OH WAIT...sometimes it is weeks!


Now spraying to control weather or atmospheric conditions (sun blocking/UV) makes much more sense with some side effects to a small percentage of the population.

What is making people sick is crap in your water and eating fast food.



posted on Jan, 30 2012 @ 09:21 AM
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More Chemtrail hypocrisy rears its head I see. While it is perfectly acceptable for pro-Chemtrailers to use the (misquoted) results the makers of WITWATS obtained from scooping mud off the ground and claiming it as a sample of water from chemtrails, a specialist company that conducts highly detailed sampling as a matter of course may not have equipment that is up to the job? This gets madder every day.


Where is the hypocrisy? I'm not using any misquoted results from any youtube videos you probably view as a hoax, I've said multiple times I'm relating my personal accounts and theories based off that as well as other information I have gathered and picked apart. And as far as the specialist that conducts "highly detailed sampling", I have no reason to believe he is who he says. If you simply re-read his and my exchange on the previous page, you'll see that I had very valid questions that he has still to answer, and instead resorted to short, flippant replies, addressing only single sentences out of the paragraph or 2 I would write. As soon as he answers my questions to my satisfaction, maybe my whole outlook will change, who knows? (I'll be waiting...)




As to the question of people who have witnessed aircraft spraying chemtrails with their own eyes, that's easy. They are watching contrails from high flying jets and a mixture of not understanding the reality of contrails coupled with a predisposition or gullibility towards believing in far fetched theory over fact convinces them.


I find it really funny and rather coincidental that you and the other 3 or 4 members of your debunking team (you guys do work hard to suppress the truth, I'll give you that) are not only ALL experts on all aviation related topics and knowledge, but it also seems ALL of you know ALL of the believers/truth-seekers on an intimate level. I mean, how else could you possibly make such a bold diagnosis to say we are too stupid to know the difference between chemtrails/contrails, and so gullible that we believe "far-fetched theory?" What else can you tell me about me, Doc?



This thread has mentioned the thing that kills it, for me. Chemtrails, having been sprayed daily and globally for 15 years (at least) leave no detectable trace of anything at all, almost as if it was just water that went back into the Eco system all by itself. But everyone is SO certain that it can't be that, for no reason whatsoever.


Go back and read my posts and questions for the so-called expert on this matter, and how its possible we are still being affected without anything showing up on any sort of toxicity reading. Maybe you can answer my queries since you seem to be so well-versed on everything.



posted on Jan, 30 2012 @ 10:00 AM
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And as far as the specialist that conducts "highly detailed sampling", I have no reason to believe he is who he says. If you simply re-read his and my exchange on the previous page, you'll see that I had very valid questions that he has still to answer, and instead resorted to short, flippant replies, addressing only single sentences out of the paragraph or 2 I would write. As soon as he answers my questions to my satisfaction, maybe my whole outlook will change, who knows? (I'll be waiting...


I'm not a chemist, but I work with chemists and geologists on a daily basis, and are very familiar with the sort of work they do, as I am responsible for making sure all their expensive equipment runs on their computers, that the data is correctly stored, etc. I see the reports they conduct, and am responsible for getting all their VPN connectivity going with their clients and labs. You'd be surprised how much security is involved, to ensure the data is secure and correct.

The company I work for is one of the worlds top 10 enviornmental companies - but don't take my word for it. A little bit of research will show you exactly how much testing is done, and what is tested for. No one bothers to do this research. They are only willing to look up stuff they feel is a conspiracy. The don't bother looking up anything that might challenge their stance.

Top 200 Enviornmental Firms

There you go - the top 200 environmental firms from last year. I work for one of the top 10 on that list. Go to the websites for some of those companies, and see the sort of redmediation and testing they conduct. Then you will get an idea how much testing is actually done out there, and how extensive it is.

Just because you have never taken the initiative to play devil's advocate with yourself (as most conspiracy folks don't), doesn't mean there isn't testing on an extensive level going on, and on a daily basis.



posted on Jan, 30 2012 @ 10:10 AM
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For those of us that are concerned about chemical trails in the skies, I found this info:
www.thebestofrawfood.com...

What are chemtrails?

Normal contrails are formed above 30,000 feet and last only a few seconds. They are created rarely and are caused by extreme heat. Designed to appear as normal contrails, chemtrails are formed between 12,000 and 20,000 feet altitude and come from spray nosels that are attached to chemtrail planes: airplanes that spray.

What's in the chemtrail soup?

From 1999 Studies done by independend laboraties indicate that the following elements can be found in our air as well as rain water: Aluminium, Barium, Polymer Fibers, PH: Acidic, Mixed Pathogen Soup increasing in strenght, Mycoplasma.

Are they healthy?

As you may imagine, this mix of chemicals and pathogens is not healthy for you. Doctors have noticed a 3000% increase respiratory illnesses from unknown airborne causes since 1996!

Do this test yourself

Try this interesting test yourself. Go through your photos as far back as you can. See if you can find chemtrails in your pictures and when they start to appear. Chemtrials have been found as far back as 1984. Especially the heavy populated areas.

Why are we sprayed?

Disinformation is given to confuse us. Spraying is not done to influence the weather, and not to add a protective sunscreen layer as some believed. For several reasons this would make no sense. So what is the real reason? Find the answer in the video (24 min). Watch the video above for more info.

What can we do to protect ourself?

Do what Ghandi said: "Be the change you want to see in the world." Be the best example possible. Don't buy things with chemicals in them. Speak the truth. Be loyal and honest. Give more than you get. Eat a wholefood organic (raw) vegan diet.


I'm pretty close to a vegan diet. Since I'm outside a lot, this does concern me and I see these trails often in the skies in my area and I work in the dirt a lot gardening and such. One thing you can also do is begin taking Magnesium to counter Fluoride. The Magnesium will pull it out of your body and block its absorption. Since our food has been depleted of nutrients, replenishing these nutrients is a step in the right direction. Adding D3 to your diet is also very important. The FDA says that you only need 1500ius per day, but you actually need 5000iu.

There are many chemicals in our environment that are completely unnecessary. If they're putting stuff like Fluoride into our water, then I don't doubt they're adding stuff to the air either.

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posted on Jan, 30 2012 @ 10:15 AM
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If this is really the phenomenon you think it is, than this process is called "cloud seeding" and it is a direct attempt by TPTB to control our weather. Every region of the planet has been doing this for decades.

As usual, we'll probably figure out in the next decade that spreading aluminum or whatever into the upper atmosphere has disastrous side effects.



posted on Jan, 30 2012 @ 10:36 AM
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Can someone help me understand this paper and the discussed research findings?
www.nature.com...

It has been suggested that volatile organic compounds (VOCs) are involved in organic aerosol formation, which in turn affects radiative forcing and climate1. The most abundant VOCs emitted by terrestrial vegetation are isoprene and its derivatives, such as monoterpenes and sesquiterpenes2. New particle formation in boreal regions is related to monoterpene emissions3 and causes an estimated negative radiative forcing4 of about -0.2 to -0.9 W m-2. The annual variation in aerosol growth rates during particle nucleation events correlates with the seasonality of monoterpene emissions of the local vegetation, with a maximum during summer5. The frequency of nucleation events peaks, however, in spring and autumn5. Here we present evidence from simulation experiments conducted in a plant chamber that isoprene can significantly inhibit new particle formation. The process leading to the observed decrease in particle number concentration is linked to the high reactivity of isoprene with the hydroxyl radical (OH). The suppression is stronger with higher concentrations of isoprene, but with little dependence on the specific VOC mixture emitted by trees. A parameterization of the observed suppression factor as a function of isoprene concentration suggests that the number of new particles produced depends on the OH concentration and VOCs involved in the production of new particles undergo three to four steps of oxidation by OH. Our measurements simulate conditions that are typical for forested regions and may explain the observed seasonality in the frequency of aerosol nucleation events, with a lower number of nucleation events during summer compared to autumn and spring5. Biogenic emissions of isoprene are controlled by temperature and light2, and if the relative isoprene abundance of biogenic VOC emissions increases in response to climate change or land use change, the new particle formation potential may decrease, thus damping the aerosol negative radiative forcing effect.


Here is an interesting website, too, that appears to be related to the above information.
www.ecd.bnl.gov...

Aerosols affect the earth's radiation budget directly, by scattering incoming shortwave (solar) radiation and thereby enhancing the earth's albedo, and indirectly, by modifying the microphysical properties and reflectivity of clouds. We and others have presented a body of work over the past decade that indicates that anthropogenic aerosols are exerting an influence on climate change that is comparable (but of opposite sign) to the anthropogenic greenhouse effect. However the magnitude of these aerosol influences is quite uncertain in comparison to that of longwave (thermal infrared) radiative forcing by incremental concentrations of greenhouse gases (mainly carbon dioxide and to lesser extent methane, nitrous oxide, and others) resulting from industrial activity.



posted on Jan, 30 2012 @ 10:40 AM
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It's talking about the natural formation of organic aerosols by vegetation and how it is affected by seasonal changes.

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posted on Jan, 30 2012 @ 10:41 AM
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I think they are trying to do testing to see if they can stop global warming. IT"S NOT WORKING. Maybe their chemtrails are causing all this flooding and weird weather and they just can't see it. Is winter getting back to normal because they quit? Who knows, There's nothing I can do about it anyway. When they get bored with it and find it doesn't work they'll quit.



posted on Jan, 30 2012 @ 10:46 AM
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I don't feel like looking up all those words to see what they mean. I've been doing that for almost five years now and these aren't words I have run into. I'm feeling lazy today. Can you translate it into common english, the language of most english speaking people? Try to put it into two sentences also.




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