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reply posted on 28-1-2012 @ 08:34 PM by Xcathdra
Originally posted by Screwed
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post by Vizzle



"Attention marchers. you have failed to disperse by the lawful orders of the OPD
You are now under arrest.
SUBMIT to the arrest"

SUBMIT?!?!?!

I think we as a nation have submitted enough already.
"Submitting" is how we got in this mess in the first place!!!!!


Actually not participating in government or stopping big business while they did there thing over the last 100 years got us to where we are now. Voting for American Idol while refusing to vote for government is what got us to this position.

Not knowing the law or the difference between protesting and rioting is what got them to this point in Oakland.


reply posted on 28-1-2012 @ 08:36 PM by Xcathdra
reply to post by Wrabbit2000



Its run by the line commanders from the Oakland PD and surrounding agency supervisors if there people are present. This is a local matter, not federal and im not even sure how you are making it one. The feds have absolutely no jurisdiction here unless requested by locals for assistance.


reply posted on 28-1-2012 @ 08:37 PM by Xcathdra
Originally posted by Corruption Exposed
reply to
post by Xcathdra




...however I am getting tired of people who dont take accountability for what they are saying and for lobbing baseless allegations around with nothing to back it up.


Kind of like you're what doing when you claim the protesters went for their gun?


BEing I saw that first hand while watching it. A protester went for an officers sidearm. At what point are you going to read the posts ive referred you to now like 4 different times? Or are you going to do your usual trolling like your doing now?



reply posted on 28-1-2012 @ 08:40 PM by Xcathdra
Originally posted by Vizzle
reply to
post by Xcathdra



Xcat - please keep this in mind when you are talking about the Oakland Police Dept

Oakland Police Face Federal Takeover Due To Excessive Force via Written by Associated Press on January 27, 2012 10:39 am


Keep in mind its under investigation. Its one of the reasons I asked about the rubber bullet issue and if other agencies were present for this encounter. The period the article you linked is when they had multiple agencies present under their respective chains of command.

Secondly any time force is used there is a review. When its on a larger scale other agencies can be assigned to review another agencies force use. The feds are able to investigate ANY time they receive a civil rights violation complaint.

They are obligated to so until their review is done its jsut that, the feds looking into complaints.


reply posted on 28-1-2012 @ 08:42 PM by sad_eyed_lady
Originally posted by Xcathdra
Originally posted by sad_eyed_lady
An article from 2 days ago:

America’s performance was even worse. It dropped from 20th to 47th position on the back of heavy-handed police tactics at a string of demonstrations against corporate greed.
A number of journalists – as well as protesters – were arrested as the Occupy movement swept across the country.


Read more:
www.dailymail.co.uk...


Just an FYI comment.

Now they are under arrest!!!



Question - Do you think media is exempt from laws while covering events like this? Or any event for that matter? Do you think the people in the crowd with live feeds should be allowed to breach the lines at will and if so why if you dont mind me asking?


The media should only recording the events and talking to people. If they are participating they get what they get. I don't think they should be allowed to breach police lines, wouldn't they be likely to obstruct "justice" by doing so? Why don't you ask somebody besides me? Open at all here, guys.

The guy I'm listening to says a reporter (cartoonist) is in the crowd being arrested.
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reply posted on 28-1-2012 @ 08:45 PM by Wrabbit2000
Originally posted by Xcathdra
reply to
post by Wrabbit2000



Its run by the line commanders from the Oakland PD and surrounding agency supervisors if there people are present. This is a local matter, not federal and im not even sure how you are making it one. The feds have absolutely no jurisdiction here unless requested by locals for assistance.

We actually agree on most of this. I think what I am seeing is sad....and tragic, but necessary and Occupy HAS brought this upon themselves by the choices they've made in how to proceed. They can be a protest or they can push non-violent rioting.....until it turns violent and in the end, they'll be arrested and prosecuted if they choose the latter.

However, having said that......I still have a collection of the stories and material from October and November when I was in Occupy myself and watching this with the interest of someone who may be effected by it, about the Mayors of the major cities with Occupy camps meeting with the DHS about coordinating for future enforcement efforts against Occupy.

It wasn't huge news, but it sure didn't go by un-noticed. There aren't federal agents down there on the street, but the game plan for how this would all play out the next time a confrontation came DID come from those coordination meetings with the feds.


Again...Protest means D.C.. Anything still done in the cities is civil unrest. That definitely isn't productive, and I think we agree there too.
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reply posted on 28-1-2012 @ 08:49 PM by Xcathdra
reply to post by sad_eyed_lady



You posted the link / story about the media portion, and the question jumped to my mind because of the "citizen journalists" who were recording what was going on during this latest event.

Wasn't calling you out or anything.. Was just curious and asked the question

I tend to agree with your position. Personally speaking if its truly independent journalism and there only action is recording the events while staying out of the way, then im ok with them moving between the lines so long as that action doesn't incite others.

The people recording in this case, at least to me, appeared as nothing more than wanting to be present to record the "after effect" or in other words wanting to catch the police after the initial incident so it appears as if the police are being overly aggressive / in the wrong.

Like the still shot of the officer pointing his "riot control gun". What occurred before that move is conveniently left out, painting a completely different picture than what actually occurred.


reply posted on 28-1-2012 @ 09:00 PM by Screwed
reply to post by Xcathdra



From the looks of the number of your posts it appears you basically own this thread and have taken charge.
Whatever you say goes cheif.
Have fun.
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reply posted on 28-1-2012 @ 09:00 PM by Xcathdra
reply to post by Wrabbit2000



I am all for people exercising their right to protest and seek a redress of grievances against the government - at any level.

My point though was the actions we are seeing serve no purpose - at all.

Its not protesting when you block streets, over turn dumpsters, while destroying public and private property. Its not protesting when they decided to storm the Israeli embassy in Washington DC either.

As far as coordination with the federal government. That came around during Katrina when people realized that the bulk of police / medical personnel were not covered by any state law. As an example medical staff from outside of Louisiana technically violated LA laws since they never met the state criteria to perform medical services in the state. The same held for other law enforcement, although that one was corrected a lot quicker and at the state level.

The medical side resolved it by making responding medical staff federalized, thereby falling under federal laws, which covered everyone from a legal aspect.

The Joplin tornado saw law enforcement from all over Missouri, as well as surrounding states and federal police respond. The mutual aid agreements in place now are worded to the extent that if you are requested to respond, you are operating with th4e same authority as a local officer, regardless if you are local, county state or federal.

When you have protests that become extremely large, hell when you have major sports events, you will find people from agencies all over assisting. In situations like that I can see a need for a larger centralized communication and control / command center, especially if the feds are running the show.

Just because coordination between agencies / government has increased, doesn't necessarily make it sinister, which is my ultimate point. People have a tendency to fear the unknown, and it becomes worse when they dont know the law and are always paranoid of the government or police.

Instead of asking questions to learn and understand, they just make accusations and refuse to listen to anything that doesn't support that point of view.

Communication... Government... Law Enforcement... all require back and forth / give and take. It requires to people to be a part of that process. To be active at all times and not just elections.

Sadly that point is missed by people.


reply posted on 28-1-2012 @ 09:00 PM by imalitehaus
reply to post by zorgon



It only starts to look like a "riot" when cops haul off and start using excessive force. Oakland PD is a scourge on this Earth and they will have to answer for it.

And, to the 'Resident Thug' , Xcat, please stop to think about this, please: Anyone who joins a force that exists to enforce the laws of MAN has got to answer for his decision, too. I'm serious. Think about it. The laws of Man are not God's laws and oppressors need to remember they are not God. It can do severe damage to your soul to not understand this.


reply posted on 28-1-2012 @ 09:02 PM by Xcathdra
Originally posted by Screwed
reply to
post by Xcathdra



From the looks of the number of your posts it appears you basically own this thread and have taken charge.
Whatever you say goes cheif.
Have fun.
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Just doing my best to counter the ignorant anti police masses that would rather embrace ignorance than learn and deny it. Since there are so many people who like to just blame the police and forget the rest, yes it looks like im dominating the thread. However, as I pointed out, its because there are so many running off about the police and only me and a few others that see it from a different angle.

But like you said, whatever goes corky.


By the way feel free to join in the actual conversation.. Maybe answer some of the questions I asked?
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reply posted on 28-1-2012 @ 09:05 PM by imalitehaus
reply to post by Xcathdra



T&C jackboot. Calling other people ignorant does not help your chances for getting into Heaven, friend. I would be appalled, if I though there was no chance for you. I'm hoping you'll see the error of your ways.
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