New Jersey bill to give power to the attorney general to BAN AMMO. Vote on Jan. 30

Originally posted by macman
Yep, way to go NJ.
And here is the Gun Control going "under the radar".

Now deemed as "Gun Reform".


Piece by piece, brick by brick, the Govt will take away your rights.
Just another reason to stay the hell away from the North East.

I live in NY and you're completely right! WTH! It's a only a matter of time!

But in the end, as with all FEEL GOOD LEGISLATION, the politicians will have created another item to sell on the Black Market, increased crime associated with illegal ammo, and accomplishing NOTHING! But it will help them get re-elected by the idiots who continue to vote them in on issues like Gun Control that really mean nil.

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Ding Ding! We have a winner ....but seriously, that's the idea. Its run-around legislation to get guns out of the hands of the private citizen.

reply to post by Vitchilo


More FEEL GOOD LEGISLATION!

I guess its time for that civil war ive been waiting on...

Lets all go the east coast, and depopulate it...

AMEN.

Originally posted by AwnAegisean
I guess its time for that civil war ive been waiting on...

Lets all go the east coast, and depopulate it...

Its not the population of the east coast thats the problem. Its the politicians on the east coast.

BTW: Q: - what is the difference between a civil war, and a revolution?
A: - Which side wins.

How many here have actually taken the time to read this bill? Judging from the reponses, not many.

There is nothing in this bill that is currently different from current NJ law, other than the banning of a specific type of ammo that is newly produced that is armor piercing.

Hunting rounds, which in NJ are either shot gun rounds or muzzle loader rounds, still legal.
Standard handgun ammo, for target or personal prtection, still legal.

Reloading supplies, powder, slugs, primers, casing, still legal.

Rounds that can penetrate body armor, illegal.

Yea, so lets see here.....
Shot shells, still legal

Diameter of a 00 Buck pellet .353 inches (or maybe .335, dont quite remember)

Diameter of a 9mm round .355 inches.

Number of projectiles in a 9mm round = 1
Number of projectiles in a 12 Ga Magnum 3 in load of 00 Buck = 12

So, ONE round from the 12Ga = 12 rounds from the 9mm.

New jersey doesn't need any guns or ammo, neither does new york
they need policing and FEMA camped, because they're too weak to just lock and load and blow the crap out of the communists

Originally posted by vogon42
Yea, so lets see here.....
Shot shells, still legal

Diameter of a 00 Buck pellet .353 inches (or maybe .335, dont quite remember)

Diameter of a 9mm round .355 inches.

Number of projectiles in a 9mm round = 1
Number of projectiles in a 12 Ga Magnum 3 in load of 00 Buck = 12

So, ONE round from the 12Ga = 12 rounds from the 9mm.

Just a tad off...diameter of 00 buck is .33, and the shell contains only 9 pellets....but your point is still valid.

Both are still legal in NJ.

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Agreed! Like all politicians, ours are completely useless.

In addition, NYC is a drain on the rest of the state.

So if passed, what this will do is [color=limegreen]keep ammo out of the hands of law-abiding decent citizens who will thus be unable to defend themselves, their family, and their property against hardened criminals and violent thugs who WILL ALWAYS HAVE AMMO REGARDLESS of what the laws are. Criminals do NOT care what the law says. They WILL still be armed.

Now families there will be defenseless against these scumbags of society. WAKE UP NEW JERSEY, and start RAISING HELL over this NOW!!!!!

If you do not care that your constitutionals rights are being STRIPPED away, at the VERY LEAST speak up in protest of this one for the sake of PROTECTING yourselves and your families from lawless criminals and thugs who THRIVE against an unarmed populations.

Get your heads out of your REARS Jersey folks!!!!!

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Good point. I admit I didn't read it at first. It can be quite inflammatory until you actually read the details of the bill.

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Actually its a 2 3/4inch load that contains 9 pellets, a 3inch load will have 12pellets.

At least this is what is was when I loaded my own shotshells in the late 90's.

3 inch hull, Win 12A wad, blue dot powder.....12 pellets.

If your buying 3inch shells now with only 9 pellets, your getting ripped off.

ETA: yea, just checked....since its been a few years since I've done any reloading

00 Buck at cabelas

BTW: if you load your own, you can buffer the loads with flour....it will give you a tighter group......but BE VERY CAREFUL....the buffering can cause the pressure to rise drastically!

reply to post by Vitchilo


You can ban it but people will still use it.

The problem with this and other types of "control" bills is they don't just stop there. They are contagious and they grow and grow until they ultimately achieve what they really initially wanted to at the start. Look at SOPA and policies like it in other countries. It's viral already. They are ALL doing it. The disease spreads far and fast. That's why it has to be nipped in the bud.

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Well, they cant ban guns because of that stupid Constitution so they figured lets ban ammo...

And what about the unintended consequences of this section:

k. Handcuffs. Any person who knowingly has in his possession handcuffs as defined in P.L.1991, c.437 (C.2C:39-9.2), under circumstances not manifestly appropriate for such lawful uses as handcuffs may have, is guilty of a disorderly persons offense. A law enforcement officer shall confiscate handcuffs possessed in violation of the law. (cf: P.L.2003, c.168, s.1)

"But your honor, it was just role-play FFS".

This will keep Ammo out of the hands of criminals just about as well the Controlled Substances Act keeps drugs out of the hands of people nationwide...

If a person is determined to get ammo to commit a crime, this will not stop them. It will slow them down maybe, but it will not stop them.

reply to post by Vitchilo

Okay, let me get this right... By reading the law, they are applying this in a very vague way of rating hardness by the rockwell scale as well as specific designs of combined metals or alloys which make a round harder and better to penetrate things. So on this hand, if a bullet's too hard, it's banned.

Okay... riddle me this... ??

On the other hand we have environmental groups everywhere going absolutely BONKERS to the point of clinical paranoia over anything that contains lead to even trace levels, let alone bullets made of it. That is quickly paring down legal options on lead bullets and reloading soft rounds.

What will be left when the hard banners and soft banners finally meet?? Will we be permitted wooden bullets perhaps? Wax blanks?

It's never just the one thing these days, but combinations of efforts from different directions. Taken together, the two directions leave no room for bullets as we know them, given time to spread this bull across the nation.

Whats the point of banning air soft pellets and BB's