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Tallying the reality of Obama’s success By Donna Brazile Daily Herald 1/11/12

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posted on Jan, 11 2012 @ 11:44 AM
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Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
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The unemploymen rate is falling...if it continues to fall up until November...Obama gets a huge boost.

He can claim we are finally out of the Bush disaster and Obama's policies are taking effect.

You dont' have to believe it...but many will.


Even the bogus unemployment number will rise. Troops are coming home and being
downsized out of the US Military. RIF = Reduction In Force

Chris Matthews has already turned on Obama. Others will follow.




posted on Jan, 11 2012 @ 12:01 PM
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The truly sick thing is that we could have 50% unemployment and the White House would call it O% because the half that's working balances out the half that isn't.



posted on Jan, 11 2012 @ 12:09 PM
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Can anyone list all the things Obama and Congress (especially the 111th Congress 2009/2010) has done that placed a POSITIVE impact on the majority of American citizens ?

Legislation.
Executive Orders.
Details please.

Many people have been devastated by the politicians.

The big legislation has done nothing positive for the majority of citizens.

Small target groups only have benefitted, not the majority of voters.

Please rate the Negative/Positive from -5 to [color=cyan]0 to [color=limegreen]+5

No fibbing or exaggerating please.


SM2

posted on Jan, 11 2012 @ 12:14 PM
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ok, since you want better sources,

unemployment....
www.ibtimes.com...
(international business times ok with you?)

to compare the u6 and u3 over a specified amount of time.....
portalseven.com...

so, with that information, no Obama did not create any jobs. If you have 10, then lose 8 and regain 4, you have 6, not 14, so you have still lost 4, so stop with the spin and funny math.

as far as new agencies, I do have a problem with them. They do nothing except cost the taxpayer more money. What good did all this wall street reform do when Corzine stole all their money? Or is ok since Corzine is a large Obama donor and this will help him realize that change he was talking about? How is all that needed new bureaucracy working with lowering our healthcare costs? I dont know about yours, but mine have gone up! How about the gasoline producers getting fined by the EPA for not using a bio-fuel additive that does not even exist? Yeah government agencies are awesome, we need more of them!

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posted on Jan, 11 2012 @ 12:21 PM
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Originally posted by SM2
reply to post by OutKast Searcher
 


ok, since you want better sources,

unemployment....
www.ibtimes.com...
(international business times ok with you?)

to compare the u6 and u3 over a specified amount of time.....
portalseven.com...

so, with that information, no Obama did not create any jobs. If you have 10, then lose 8 and regain 4, you have 6, not 14, so you have still lost 4, so stop with the spin and funny math.

as far as new agencies, I do have a problem with them. They do nothing except cost the taxpayer more money. What good did all this wall street reform do when Corzine stole all their money? Or is ok since Corzine is a large Obama donor and this will help him realize that change he was talking about? How is all that needed new bureaucracy working with lowering our healthcare costs? I dont know about yours, but mine have gone up! How about the gasoline producers getting fined by the EPA for not using a bio-fuel additive that does not even exist? Yeah government agencies are awesome, we need more of them!

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Sure...let's use the U6 unemployment rate...I am fine with that.

But let's compare it to the U6 rate when Obama took office.

www.portalseven.com...

In Jan 2009, when Obama took office, the U6 rate was 14.2%....today it is 15.2%. A whooping rise of 1%.



Do you have anything else???



posted on Jan, 11 2012 @ 12:35 PM
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I can't help but feel a little sorry for Donna Brazile. As a spokesperson for the Democratic party, it is her job to put a positive spin on the Obama presidency. That will not be an easy task when you consider his approval numbers from the day he was elected to now, but she'll get a lot of help from CNN.

I believe she put this list together as a distraction; try to get people discussing these points and ignoring others. Some things on the list are accurate, some less so, and some are a lot of spin. Just to point out one:


• President Obama ended the Iraq War, and put into action his working plan to achieve Afghanistan War goals and to draw down our troops.


Ms. Brazile is hoping that people will forget the reason why President Obama decided to pull troops out of Iraq. The Iraqi government that we installed refused to grant immunity to US troops in that country for possible crimes they may commit. Overthrowing the government that we installed was not an option, so President Obama decided to remove the troops rather than face the possible embarrassment of having US service members in Iraq on trial for rape or murder. If the Obama administration had successfully negotiated the immunity, there would be no troop withdrawl.

In any case, I think it is more important to note the accomplishments of President Obama that Ms. Brazile did not include on her list. Obamacare, for instance, isn't on her list. Does she feel that Obamacare is not a significant achievement? Or is it simply something she would rather not have people focus on? But the two that shape my opinion the most when it comes to President Obama are not even hinted at by her list. First, the President now has the "legal" authority to assasinate anyone in the world he chooses, American citizen or not. Second, the US military has the "legal" authority to kidnap any US citizen without trial, charges, or explaination to anyone, and hold them until the day they die.

What good is your Freedom of Speech when the President can just say, "He's a terrorist, shoot him."

How important is your right to choose to have, or not have, an abortion when you are raped daily in a cell in Gitmo? All nice and legal now.

Do you really have Civil Rights when the US military can say, "You have no rights" as you they begin to waterboard you for the 300th time?


SM2

posted on Jan, 11 2012 @ 12:38 PM
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Originally posted by OutKast Searcher

Originally posted by SM2
reply to post by OutKast Searcher
 


ok, since you want better sources,

unemployment....
www.ibtimes.com...
(international business times ok with you?)

to compare the u6 and u3 over a specified amount of time.....
portalseven.com...

so, with that information, no Obama did not create any jobs. If you have 10, then lose 8 and regain 4, you have 6, not 14, so you have still lost 4, so stop with the spin and funny math.

as far as new agencies, I do have a problem with them. They do nothing except cost the taxpayer more money. What good did all this wall street reform do when Corzine stole all their money? Or is ok since Corzine is a large Obama donor and this will help him realize that change he was talking about? How is all that needed new bureaucracy working with lowering our healthcare costs? I dont know about yours, but mine have gone up! How about the gasoline producers getting fined by the EPA for not using a bio-fuel additive that does not even exist? Yeah government agencies are awesome, we need more of them!

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Sure...let's use the U6 unemployment rate...I am fine with that.

But let's compare it to the U6 rate when Obama took office.

www.portalseven.com...

In Jan 2009, when Obama took office, the U6 rate was 14.2%....today it is 15.2%. A whooping rise of 1%.



Do you have anything else???


yup, it was still a rise, therefore he did not create a single job, nor did he create an environment that helped create a single job. You can not have a rising unemployment rate and create jobs at the same time.



posted on Jan, 11 2012 @ 12:39 PM
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Yes, ObamaCare was President Obamas most significant achievement yet it is omitted.

Hmmm........i wonder why? There must be a good reason.

Oh and if ObamaCare is so great, why are all the unions begging for an exemption from
it?


SM2

posted on Jan, 11 2012 @ 12:42 PM
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Originally posted by Eurisko2012
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Yes, ObamaCare was President Obamas most significant achievement yet it is omitted.

Hmmm........i wonder why? There must be a good reason.

Oh and if ObamaCare is so great, why are all the unions begging for an exemption from
it?


What is even funnier, is it all the unions that were campaigning for , such as SEIU and so on, the same unions that donate to Obama, and they are not just begging for the waivers, they are getting them.



posted on Jan, 11 2012 @ 12:44 PM
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yup, it was still a rise, therefore he did not create a single job, nor did he create an environment that helped create a single job. You can not have a rising unemployment rate and create jobs at the same time.


LOL, yes you can create jobs in a time of rising unemployment. If he didn't create those jobs, the unemployment would be even higher.

He never claimed to have created more jobs than were lost...but jobs were still created.


You seem to be running out of arguments.



posted on Jan, 11 2012 @ 12:45 PM
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Originally posted by SM2

Originally posted by Eurisko2012
reply to post by VictorVonDoom
 


Yes, ObamaCare was President Obamas most significant achievement yet it is omitted.

Hmmm........i wonder why? There must be a good reason.

Oh and if ObamaCare is so great, why are all the unions begging for an exemption from
it?


What is even funnier, is it all the unions that were campaigning for , such as SEIU and so on, the same unions that donate to Obama, and they are not just begging for the waivers, they are getting them.


I consider ObamaCare already gone. The SCOTUS will save us.

The dems are already saying when it is repealed then WHAT is the GOP solution
to the USA health care mess?

They have a point. We need to come up with something to replace ObamaCare.



posted on Jan, 11 2012 @ 12:46 PM
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Originally posted by SM2

Originally posted by Eurisko2012
reply to post by VictorVonDoom
 


Yes, ObamaCare was President Obamas most significant achievement yet it is omitted.

Hmmm........i wonder why? There must be a good reason.

Oh and if ObamaCare is so great, why are all the unions begging for an exemption from
it?


What is even funnier, is it all the unions that were campaigning for , such as SEIU and so on, the same unions that donate to Obama, and they are not just begging for the waivers, they are getting them.


Oh, let's not start lying about the "waivers" now.

Do you guys even know what these "waivers" do??? Here's a hint...it doesn't exclude them from the mandate or the health care reform. It gives them an extension to continue to offer mini-med plans until the state exchanges start up.

But hey...why use facts when you can just make up fiction to (mis)direct your negativity???



posted on Jan, 11 2012 @ 12:48 PM
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Originally posted by Eurisko2012
reply to post by VictorVonDoom
 


Yes, ObamaCare was President Obamas most significant achievement yet it is omitted.

Hmmm........i wonder why? There must be a good reason.

Oh and if ObamaCare is so great, why are all the unions begging for an exemption from
it?


Maybe she was told not to comment on open investigations.


Lawyers are tricky bastards.



posted on Jan, 11 2012 @ 12:52 PM
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This one is a good one !


Tax credits to first-time homebuyers, which helped the U.S. housing market.


She forgot to add three words at the end of the sentence.

"continue to fall"

since not many people could even get a new mortgage !!

again, not helping the majority of citizens.



posted on Jan, 11 2012 @ 12:54 PM
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She forgot to list how:


A $15 billion plan that provides increased lending for small businesses.


any real time, real life examples ?

which banks went along with this debacle.


SM2

posted on Jan, 11 2012 @ 12:54 PM
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See first off, the president, any president can not create a job, except for all those new agencies he keeps creating to show new jobs. Furthermore, you have to look at the overall picture, the net results. Like I said, if you have 10, lose 8 then gain 4 you can not say (as obama supporters will often try) that you now have 14. you now have 6 for a net loss of 4. So you have still lost 4 jobs. The numbers of new jobs is also rigged, as they into account temporary employment from government contracts, like 100 people to make 200 pairs of boots. these people were already employed by the boot manufacturer it is not a new job created, it is a new government contract created and more government spending and even more debt created.



posted on Jan, 11 2012 @ 12:54 PM
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WHEN ObamaCare is repealed , all of the waivers will become null & void.


You cannot force Americans to buy health insurance. That's absurd.

Only a Marxist like George Soros could dream up such an idea.

The best part was if you don't buy the insurance you go to prison!!!

Dream on George. Move back to Europe.



posted on Jan, 11 2012 @ 12:56 PM
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???


State aid to prevent thousands of teachers, police and firefighters from losing their jobs.


How many have had pay reductions and layoffs ?

Take a number and have a seat over here please.



posted on Jan, 11 2012 @ 03:03 PM
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Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
Is anyone going to try to dispute these with facts backed up by credible sources???

Or are we just supposed to believe all of you when you say "no he didn't"????



i dont know. Here are Obamas facts so far. balance them against the shill sheet in the OP.

There are a couple felonies on the list but lets ignore those and compare the pluses.

stpeteforpeace.org...



posted on Jan, 11 2012 @ 03:10 PM
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Obamas a socialist crook and has helped perpetuate the continued fleecing of the American tax payer, if anything hes ever done for the US is to bring everyone together for a final showdown with washington to put an end to their corruption



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