From the horse's mouth -Iran Supreme council:-new nuke capability and threats to Humanity.

The US would have to stop buying that chinese imitation goods we get at the wallymarts etc.
China is the Iranis biggest customer.....
Its not gonna work ......
The hypocrisy is built in already in the concept.
China has favoured nation status with usa.
The complications make a mockery of it all.....
Either start the war or start the freaking peace already!
The whole world is sick of the petty posturing and bull# the USA is involved in constantly......stop attacking other countries on flimsey pretexts......
Fix America first before youse fix the world fer petes sake........
Americans are going without food, medicine, and homes even....whats wrong with this picture?

Originally posted by SeekerofTruth101So is the free world to keep silent

Who is the "free world"? the countries that voted a U.S. puppet in power?

I don't see the U.S respecting freedom when a democracy freely votes against the interest of the U.S. corporate goverment.

reply to post by SeekerofTruth101


No not another impossibility becoming a possibility but a sovereign nation being able build weapons in which to defend itself.

As we have as well as many other nations have done as well such as India and Pakistan.
Who both possess Nuclear Weapons...

Especially as a Nation as one who historically HAS NEVER attacked any other Nation but has only emphasized the defense of it's motherland which is it's unalienable GOD GIVEN right to pursue.

The real reason as to why India and Pakistan are "Allowed" to possess Nukes is simply because they haven't the Second Largest Oil and Natural Gas Reserves in the World.....

That's why the Iranians are being threatened with the loss of their vital Oil Revenue ....the Owners want their OIL ....

Plain and Simple.

Peace

Originally posted by SeekerofTruth101
Thanks all for the responses.

To:-

Originally posted by Brasov

You conveniently ignore ENERGY use.

Humanity is not represented by the US and Israel.

The U.S. has no right to threaten ssnctions on countries that buy iranian oil because it's extraterritorial and violates FREE TRADE.

1. I repeat, if you had been blind or are blind - 20% uranium grade nuke is more then required ENERGY use. What are they lighting up in the streets and homes of Iran - Passenger liners each?

2. US and Israel aren't the only ones using that strait, just for your information, if trade and geography are not your strong points.

3. Free Trade? As defined by you? You mean I must buy from you or otherwise face your gun barrels?

Make sense, please.

Your geography is out. Israel has no need to go into the Arabian Gulf, it is nowhere near it. Its ocean borders are the Red Sea (Gulf of Aqaba) and the Mediterranean.
There is no need for any US or Israeli warship to be in the Arabian Gulf.

Laying out the facts...

Weapons Grade Uranium >/= 85% U-235

Highly Enriched (weapons-usable) Uranium >/= 20% U-235

20% U-235 can be used to produce crude nuclear weapons. It is possible that Iran seeks to mass produce crude nukes to "wipe Israel off the map", however one must consider the fact that Israel will retaliate with more powerful nuclear weapons. The result of this scenario is mutually assured destruction.

20% U-235 can also be used to fuel Fast Neutron Reactors as well as in the production of medical isotopes. If Iran plans to use their enriched uranium for these purposes, the result is national prosperity.

Hmmm... I wonder which path Iran would rather take

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I have already posted that 20% enrichment is enough to make a bomb.
en.wikipedia.org...

though for a crude, inefficient weapon 20% is sufficient (called weapon(s)-usable);[2][3] some argue that even less is sufficient[citation needed],

I don't know what your deal is Brasov. But face facts. Of course Iran wants nukes.
They don't want a repeat of the past. And the only way to ensure that is to be on equal footing with the USA.
And that means nukes.

reply to post by nh_ee


1. One issue at a time.

2.The past had happened. Nothing can change that, more so when those were unenlightened times when nukes came into our world or situations do not permit mankind to have a clearer picture of what went on in those countries having nuke, such as N. Korea. Even China was caught by surprise, for they have no love for nukes on their backyard, more so one an unstable state.

3. Oil is one issue, but the fact remains that most of Iranian oil goes to other nations. US and Europe only accounts for est 20% of it and even US will have no need of Iran's oil. The closure of the straits is an INTERNATIONAL issue, not just US or Israel alone.

4. Nuke weaponisation is another issue. Many in our world wants no more nukes. It carries a heavy responsibility by those who own them. 'live by the gun, then be prepared to die by the gun' - a truism for nukes as well. The Iranian masses would welcome nuke energy, but nuke weaponisation?

NO ONE, no one here can speak for the iranian masses over this issue whether they want or do not want nuke weapons. Only they alone as a society can determine that and be responsible for it, not just the leadership.

And for that to happen, it will need proper discussion and debate, honestly and sincerely, by them, and represented to the world community to allay fears over irresponsibility over its use, not as what the turbanned headed persian infidel leader had dupe the world all along.

Originally posted by Brasov

Originally posted by HellstormRisingIran is using uranium for its power generation and enriching it far beyond that of typical power generation, medical use, or even experimentation processes.

Let's buy the U.S. crock that Iran wants to have nukes... does any nuclear country have the moral right to complain about it?

For any country not illegally eyeing the resources of Iran, like the U.S. does, there's nothing to fear from their defensive capabilities, be they nuclear or not.

The only rogue country to have ever used nukes on civilians is the U.S, and they did it twice. The world knows it perfectly, but you seem to believe non-americans have no memory or are stupid to really know what kind of a rogue the U.S. is.

Fair enough. FYI, you can get your point across without being belligerent.

That's a tough one to dispute primarily because you've used doublespeak to categorize all countries who have a problem with IRAN having nukes as eyeing resources.

Don't kid yourself, this isn't about oil at all. It's about an insatiable appetite of Israel and their lacky's who are hell bent on ruling the world. IRAN having nukes and a thriving economy coupled with their refusal to PLAY NICE with the western powers is a threat to their overall goal. Because of the religious motivations in IRAN's society they fear that IRAN will not think twice about using that to influence the rest of the world against the western nations (NATO included).

If IRAN continues on it's current path it has the real opportunity to becoming a superpower despite its inability to refine oil for gasoline. They are playing a game like every other nation with the exception that they are actively refusing to play by the rules of the current leading nations.

Let's think about the game of Monopoly.(I'm assuming its a worldwide board game). If one participant has all the money, resources, hotels etc then there really is no way for the little guy to take the lead. Now however, if the resources are divvy up equally or at least honorably, every player has a fair chance at becoming a powerful entity in the game. This then starts the rivalry. Obviously the endgame is having all the money, resources and hotels so you find ways to manipulate the game so that the odds of someone landing on everyone else's property is diminished.

That scenario is pretty much what NATO is up to. They don't want to become the losing party as they feel threatened due to their overspending, over legislation and crumbling economies. Notice how the only people who are under threat are those who don't play nice. The UAE, Canada, and many others are countries with huge oil deposits and many other natural resources that play nice. Notice how we don't invade them.

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Iran's people are very much like us. Their country is very beautiful.
The issue starts back in the past.
The west helped to topple a democratic government in Iran.
Now they are paranoid it's going to happen again.

If Iran was smart they'd play ball.

Originally posted by Shermanator


Iran is going to get a bomb... Iran WILL end up bombing Israel... It is a shame...

Are the Iranians going to destroy the Al Asqua Mosque ?

20% of Israel's population are Arabs and that`s without even including the Palestinians.

Not to mention the inevitable nuclear counter-strike by Israel which would immediately follow.

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Even at 20% enriched ...... it would still be regarded as low-enriched uranium.

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Closure of the vital straits is not a matter of PLAY NICE or not.

There is absolutely no issue over any nation's eyes on Iran's resources. It's a non-issue. No mortal in his right mind would think they can just walk over a sovereign nation and claim it as its own. USSR was the last nation on Earth to do it in Afghanistan and paid a high price.

Libya, Afgahnistan and Iraq still owns their own resources for trade with whomever they wish to trade with. That's the reality of it and no longer the uncivilised world our ancestors once had to live in.

There are other nations that supplies oil using that strait to the world and trade ships worldwide had used it freely for centuries sailing on International waters through that narrow path.

For Iran leadership to unilaterally close the straits, as demanded by the persian infidel leader just because others are boycotting iran oil due to its belligerance over the nuke issue, is an outright Iranian declaration of war on those oil states as well as to Humanity as a whole.

Originally posted by grey580
reply to post by HellstormRising

 

Iran's people are very much like us. Their country is very beautiful.
The issue starts back in the past.
The west helped to topple a democratic government in Iran.
Now they are paranoid it's going to happen again.

If Iran was smart they'd play ball.

You're absolutely right. There-in lies the problem though. We installed a puppet dictator and now they have the potential to do better than us economically and rise to some serious power in the world.

They should be paranoid however but I can't say that it would fair any better for them if they played ball by the rules of the current establishment. The reason I say this is that Israel wants more territory for themselves and the only way to do that is to get rid of the Palestinian's support network (Syria, IRAN, and others). Once those powers are gone or under western influence then Netanyahu can mow over the Palestinian encampments without much to do. The problem in Gaza on the west bank however has increased due to Egypt's new influence. I'm guessing that mission didn't go as planned.

Back to topic however, I think IRAN is being perceived as the threat primarily because well honestly their policies breed hatred toward anything westernized, allow terrorist organizations to flourish (at least that's what we've been led to believe). and their developing weapons that could potentially be used to kill millions of Americans, Israeli's, Europeans etc. Let's face it a large enough enriched payload could wipe Israel off the map which is counter to our interests as Americans.

Originally posted by SeekerofTruth101

On Sunda who had actually threatened humanity.

Good read and evidences for lovers of that turbanned headed persian infidel leader that had been siding him all along against Humanity.

From the horse's mouth - enrichment is at 20%. Iran authorities had claimed its nuke developement was for peaceful energy use, but 20% enrichment is NOT necessary for civil energy use. And Iran has the right to shut down a passageway that belongs to All Humanity?
, and that reason is the infidel persian leader's duplicity over nuke issues,

This order came from the Supreme Council, none other than by the turbanned persian infidel leader masquerading as Muslim, to the military.

I`m not exactly sure where you stand on this issue, because there has been a lot of Propaganda threads on this already.

20% enrichment is for peaceful purpose, 80 to 85% makes a nuke.

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It's funny that you mentioned Thorium in this thread.

Canada used U235 enriched to 20% as the fissile material to test and operate our Thorium reactors.

As a side, all known Thorium reactors require U233, U235, or Plutonium to operate. They will still require enrichment facilities.

Something about Thorium having no real fissile isotopes naturally.

Using Thorium (safety is a separate debate) will prolong or Uranium supplies, it will not stop us from using them at this time.

Originally posted by SeekerofTruth101
1. Nuke Enrichment.

From the horse's mouth - enrichment is at 20%. Iran authorities had claimed its nuke developement was for peaceful energy use, but 20% enrichment is NOT necessary for civil energy use. They then claim for medical uses, but Iran hospital does not have the infrastructure for such mind boggling supposed 'medical usuage'.

Wow, even using a simple tool like google you can find that Iranian medicine is improving daily,

Mahak

you need medical grade uranium to treat cancer in places like this,

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No where in that article does it state anything about Nuclear facilities or Uranium being a need to power or treat those children there. Also it is proven that 20% enrichment is overly enriched for power generation. It does not increase the production any. 20% and above is enrichment for a much more sinister purpose.

It doesn't matter if you're U.S., China, Russia, U.K. France or IRAN, Uranium is not a good way to produce nuclear energy and there are far better, more efficient, cost effective, and less destructive means for producing quality nuclear fissile material. Anyone that would defend a countries right to use a more destructive and downright stupid manner of producing this probably doesn't live near one and should. Then they can all tell us how secure they feel living next to something that is unpredictable and unsustainable to manage.

Originally posted by munkey66
Wow, even using a simple tool like google you can find that Iranian medicine is improving daily,

Mahak

you need medical grade uranium to treat cancer in places like this,

Amazing isn't it, that the persian infidel leader would care about the cancer patients in Iran, and yet inflation rate is at est 17%, unemployment rate est 11%, with health system ranked 98th despite its high revenues from oil wealth over the years.

Of course, cancer is only one of multitudal health problems Iranians faced, but the emphasis for 20% nuke enrichment grade just for that particular health issue, when much more awaits the citizens whom were promised vast social expenditure from cradle to passing on?

That persian infidel leader is old and will never get to live long enough to face the consequences of his actions, even if he wins against the world. But it will be the current and next generations that will suffer, if any iranian still exists if this crisis is not stopped.

With this Iran thing, if you go to the Project Camelot achieves you will find an interview “The Anglo Saxon Mission.’ The whistleblower concerned was invited to a meeting which he thought was a council meeting and the other people at the meeting assumed he was one of them.

This interview is very informative, illuminating and will help you join the dots. Note that Iran is not the final target here, they are merely part of the plan.

Consider this for a moment.

Since, for example, Norman times, some families in Britain and Europe have built fortunes which have passed down through the generations. With wealth comes power, with power comes influence, Influence facilitates further wealth and power but it also enables influence over government policy, particularly in key areas and influence also sets the boundaries of government decision making.

It is understandable is it not, that these families over the centuries start to take on a ‘born to rule’ belief and become the shadow government over key countries.

Consider also, the industrial development and the technological era has largely been driven from Europe which means its white, Christian and western.

Now consider, there is a kid on the block and he threatens these peoples power and influence and threaten to kick them out and rule the roost himself.

With this in mind, read the article above in the Project Camelot achieve and all will become clear.

Click here for more information.