From the horse's mouth -Iran Supreme council:-new nuke capability and threats to Humanity.

reply to post by HellstormRising


So your argument is........they're dumb? We have to go and bomb civilians because their means of production of fissible materials is not safe? You're havin a laugh, man. Uberfail.

Originally posted by Shermanator


Iran is going to get a bomb... Iran WILL end up bombing Israel... It is a shame...

Despite your unfortunate choice of the "Shermanator" , it's refreshing to see the truth laid out so plainly.

On this topic-
Slowly the whole world is coming to realize what Iran's leaders are and the danger they represent. First Pakistan, then North Korea and now Iran. Eventually one or the other will teach the world the lesson that there are times when we must intervene.

"If you corner me, I will turn out to be an animal"

Does this apply to everyone of us?
I know that I will protect my family and everyone I keep dear around me once threatened.

If you even flinch on this, you agree with the whole concept.

reply to post by xXxinfidelxXx


There is not going to be a war against the civilians. If (and that's a huge if) anything is done about this beyond sanctions, it will be surgical. It's only those who support the evil of the Iranian leaders who spread those myths.

This war with Iran has been imminent for how many years now? Oh the joys of propaganda.

Originally posted by SeekerofTruth101

Originally posted by Brasov

Simple: FREE as in "free" and TRADE as in "trade".

Cut the semantics BS and talk like a man. By threatening humanity with closure of a passageway it doesnt own if others boycott its oil due to the Iranian infidel leader's irresponsibility is considered 'free' and 'trade' as define by you?

Please dont waste further of my time.

Edit:- You can skip the name calling and ad hominem attacks on me. Only water off my back. Truth needs to be told, painful if it needs be.

edit on 10-1-2012 by SeekerofTruth101 because: (no reason given)

Talk like a man? He/she has responded to your posts in a manner that contradicts your own and this is your response? How is closing a passageway threatening humanity?
Ad hominem is normally described as a logical fallacy, so why should this person skip calling you out on your stance that he/she doesn't agree with? If you don't want a debate, don't post on a forum, just write it in your diary. The truth does need to be told, and like I have told you in another thread, propaganda stinks, sometimes the truth does as well, stop plugging your nose.

Originally posted by Blaine91555
reply to post by xXxinfidelxXx

 

There is not going to be a war against the civilians. If (and that's a huge if) anything is done about this beyond sanctions, it will be surgical. It's only those who support the evil of the Iranian leaders who spread those myths.

This war with Iran has been imminent for how many years now? Oh the joys of propaganda.

I guess it would depend on the number of targets Israel selects.

It would only be the first wave of F-15 and F-16 warplanes that would have the tactical edge given by a surprise attack. Israeli loses could escalate thereafter.

Aren`t some of the Iranian nuclear installations near population centres ?

Surgical strike or not, toxic debris released from bombing sites with fissile material will be a serious threat to civilians.

Should Israel choose to strike with Jericho missiles - precision decreases.

In such a situation, Israel might rely increasingly on "stand-off" weaponry such as the Jerichos, which Jane's missile experts believe are accurate only to around 1,000 yards (meters).

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Originally posted by xXxinfidelxXx
reply to post by HellstormRising

 

So your argument is........they're dumb? We have to go and bomb civilians because their means of production of fissible materials is not safe? You're havin a laugh, man. Uberfail.

wow, I didn't realize my words had such a powerful impact. I'm trying to put everything in perspective. I think that if you read any of my posts thoroughly you would understand that I'm not defending the U.S., NATO or IRAN in any of this. I think they are all stupid and should be disseminated(taken apart, if you didn't get that meaning either).

I have a few questions about this...

1. We are 15 trillion in debt and counting, how could we possibly afford another war?
2. Even if Iran has a nuclear weapon, would they use it? Pakistan has nuclear capability, Isreal has nuclear capability, what are they going to do turn the middle east into a nuclear holocaust? One can automatically assume that whatever aggresive move they take would have tremendous blowback, do they even care about that? I would think so...but im not Iranian
3. Even if Iran has a nuclear weapon, can they reach the US with it? The missiles I have seen them using on TV while they do their war games in the Straights of Hormuz only have a range of a 100 or so miles...do they have an ICBM hidden somewhere? is that what they are making? And if they used it, what kind of blowback would result?
4. China is the #1 importer of the oil that comes out of the Straights of Hormuz, so are they going to close it and hurt a potential ally?

Basically even if all the allegations are true and A-jad is a satanist, America hating, freedom hating muderer who wants to kill all of us how's he going to pull it off? And even if he is a Isreal hating, murderer who wants to wipe Isreal off the map how does he pull it off without blowback? A US overreaction here, with us already drowning in debt is going to destroy this country economically, whats left to destroy that is...

Originally posted by DevilsLettuce
I have a few questions about this...

1. We are 15 trillion in debt and counting, how could we possibly afford another war?
2. Even if Iran has a nuclear weapon, would they use it? Pakistan has nuclear capability, Isreal has nuclear capability, what are they going to do turn the middle east into a nuclear holocaust? One can automatically assume that whatever aggresive move they take would have tremendous blowback, do they even care about that? I would think so...but im not Iranian
3. Even if Iran has a nuclear weapon, can they reach the US with it? The missiles I have seen them using on TV while they do their war games in the Straights of Hormuz only have a range of a 100 or so miles...do they have an ICBM hidden somewhere? is that what they are making? And if they used it, what kind of blowback would result?
4. China is the #1 importer of the oil that comes out of the Straights of Hormuz, so are they going to close it and hurt a potential ally?

Basically even if all the allegations are true and A-jad is a satanist, America hating, freedom hating muderer who wants to kill all of us how's he going to pull it off? And even if he is a Isreal hating, murderer who wants to wipe Isreal off the map how does he pull it off without blowback? A US overreaction here, with us already drowning in debt is going to destroy this country economically, whats left to destroy that is...

edit on 10-1-2012 by DevilsLettuce because: had to re-word my intro sentence..

Great Observations. You're right on all fronts except one thing. A-jad doesn't control the fate of IRAN. Ayatollah Sayyid Ali Hoseyni Khamenei is the current "Supreme Leader of Iran" and pretty much tells A-jad what to say. He's a mouthpiece at best but sometimes his mouth keeps talking when it shouldn't.

My personal feeling is that IRAN wouldn't use a nuclear missile unless they were forced to. Certain upgrades to their missile technology if I remember correctly allows them to potentially hit a target 2500 miles away or something like that. They can just about reach Israel now. The issue is more they threaten the motherland Israel and have backers like China and Russia if we attack them. China and Russia involved can muddy things greatly and honestly who knows where they stand on the use of nuclear bombs.

So here's my attempt

1. We can't afford another war which plays right into the current politics to destroy our dollar and rape our country from the inside out. (I'd keep going on this one but I'm afraid it'd be off topic).

2. They wouldn't use a nuclear weapon unless backed so far into a corner the ramifications wouldn't matter at that point. Right now it's mostly propaganda and tactics to try and ruin IRAN for control and to make sure that country is kept where NATO thinks it should be.

3. No they couldn't reach America by any missile however they can sneak it in over international borders or do something similar to what the Russian's did in the Cold War. This would put their missiles in range of the U.S. The blowback would be answered in 2.

4. Well the sanctions that the U.S. is trying to enact would ultimately forbid China from doing business with IRAN however Beijing has recently said it didn't care. So yes, that would potentially mess up a route for them to do business but with the sanctions being as far reaching as they are have already screwed up the IRANIAN economy to the point where it's now very difficult for them to sell at a competitive price thus backing them into a further corner.

I'm almost out of characters so I'll just leave you with that. Hopefully I managed to clear up a few of your questions.

reply to post by FissionSurplus


This is not about "who owns the passage way", although that is an important aspect of the situation. This is mostly about war, and Iran is threatening to close the passage way if war breaks out. That is only a logical thing to do when you're in a state of war, to stop the flow of energy to your enemies. That is the issue, to reduce your enemy's capabilities in striking your nation, or blockading your nations, speaking in long terms.

Iran knows that if war breaks out, it will be a long one, and the passage way basically decides who will win the war in the long run.

Note - Iran is not threatening US, in fact it is the opposite, US has been threatening and implementing anti-Iranian policies for some time now. This is well known by now, Iran believes US will eventually attack Iran, but before that attack, there will be a blockade.

If there is a blockade, Iran wants to make sure that the enemy is effected as much as Iran... Iranian strategy is very logical and I personally am impressed.

Originally posted by HellstormRising

Originally posted by DevilsLettuce

Great Observations. You're right on all fronts except one thing. A-jad doesn't control the fate of IRAN. Ayatollah Sayyid Ali Hoseyni Khamenei is the current "Supreme Leader of Iran" and pretty much tells A-jad what to say. He's a mouthpiece at best but sometimes his mouth keeps talking when it shouldn't.

My personal feeling is that IRAN wouldn't use a nuclear missile unless they were forced to. Certain upgrades to their missile technology if I remember correctly allows them to potentially hit a target 2500 miles away or something like that. They can just about reach Israel now. The issue is more they threaten the motherland Israel and have backers like China and Russia if we attack them. China and Russia involved can muddy things greatly and honestly who knows where they stand on the use of nuclear bombs.

So here's my attempt

1. We can't afford another war which plays right into the current politics to destroy our dollar and rape our country from the inside out. (I'd keep going on this one but I'm afraid it'd be off topic).

2. They wouldn't use a nuclear weapon unless backed so far into a corner the ramifications wouldn't matter at that point. Right now it's mostly propaganda and tactics to try and ruin IRAN for control and to make sure that country is kept where NATO thinks it should be.

3. No they couldn't reach America by any missile however they can sneak it in over international borders or do something similar to what the Russian's did in the Cold War. This would put their missiles in range of the U.S. The blowback would be answered in 2.

4. Well the sanctions that the U.S. is trying to enact would ultimately forbid China from doing business with IRAN however Beijing has recently said it didn't care. So yes, that would potentially mess up a route for them to do business but with the sanctions being as far reaching as they are have already screwed up the IRANIAN economy to the point where it's now very difficult for them to sell at a competitive price thus backing them into a further corner.

I'm almost out of characters so I'll just leave you with that. Hopefully I managed to clear up a few of your questions.

Thank you for replying, people rarely do...
I believe there are some shades of grey in the Iranian government, allegations of funding terrorism, sabre rattling, the Ayatollah in hiding using another mouth to dictate policy, those things make anyone wonder what is going on. I just think an overreaction by the US would be problematic. And how can we tell China what to do? Don't they hold like trillions of dollars of our debt? If they sold off that debt wouldn't our economy tank? I just think it's time we had a serious discussion about a change in foreign policy, one that creates dialogue and perhaps diplomacy.

reply to post by insaan


That's what I don't understand, if Iran blocks the Straights of Hormuz, aren't they hurting their allies, mainly China?

Originally posted by Blaine91555

Originally posted by Shermanator


Iran is going to get a bomb... Iran WILL end up bombing Israel... It is a shame...

Despite your unfortunate choice of the "Shermanator"

, it's refreshing to see the truth laid out so plainly.

On this topic-
Slowly the whole world is coming to realize what Iran's leaders are and the danger they represent. First Pakistan, then North Korea and now Iran. Eventually one or the other will teach the world the lesson that there are times when we must intervene.

This is true,And some people never get it.Those people in Iran by that i mean the iatolas or what ever

they are called want to kill every Israeli alive and usher in there madi .

To tell you the truth i believe Mohammed was the Anti Christ Satan and a liar.

Ole mohammed had his peeps wright a set of laws contrary to Jewish doctrine and bam good vs evil.

Originally posted by DevilsLettuce
reply to post by insaan

 

That's what I don't understand, if Iran blocks the Straights of Hormuz, aren't they hurting their allies, mainly China?

When you're in a state of war, if you've true allies, they'll join you, if not, they will abandon you. If China is truly an Iranian ally, China will understand and actually help Iran in repelling any attack by US, I'm sure China is fully aware of Iran's plans to close the passage way incase of war, and I'm sure Iran and China has discussed the issue in depth, allies tend to do that.

That's why people believe that there is a high chance that WWIII might be the ultimate product of an attack on Iran, it will effect the whole world, so nations around the world have their last chance to align themselves. US will most likely continue the policy of "you're either with us or against us", that "you're either with us or against us" policy will be most likely the cause of WWIII if "shet hits the fan".

If the Iranian navy block the straits they will not stop oil tankers full of Iranian crude bound for China passing through

If they did block the straits there would be no reprisal, America and the Allies will just escort oil tankers past the Iranian navy blockade putting the ball back in Iran's court imo.

reply to post by Blaine91555


War ALWAYS affects the civilians more so than the military personnel involved in a conflict. If you think PTSD in soldiers is bad, imagine what the civvies that live with the aftermath have to deal with. Military personnel just move from site to site, they don't have to deal with the consequences of their actions like the civvies do. Just look at the deformed babies being born if Iraq and the 'Stan, from DU munitions used in those AO's. Also, it seems like no matter how sophisticated our targetting systems are, we always end up dumping munitions on hospitals, elementary schools and water treatment facilities (Iraqis still suffer and die from preventable diseases that are caused by contaminated drinking water.) If the US attacks Iran, the civvies, as always, will bear the brunt of the losses. They always do. They lose their homes, their dignity, their loved ones, and quite a few die of starvation and preventable diseases. You cannot even imagine the true impact that war has on people that occupy the affected areas, simply because if you don't have to see it with your own eyes, than most people just think "Oh my, how tragic." and then they just change the channel.

reply to post by grayghost


When did racism become okay? You simply cannot judge a whole race based on the bad apples that were created when the European colonists abandoned the middle east, leaving a power vacuum in their wake. Since then, the CIA has trained, armed and funded terrorists to do their dirty work. What makes you think that AQ don't still report to the CIA? That little ditty right there completely nullifies any validity of your argument. They are your enemy only because that's what you were told.

Most of US are americans and can care less about Israel. The US has no treaty with Israel, there is no need to attack a country for Israel's safety. Israel can take care of itself.

With this Iran thing, if you go to the Project Camelot achieves you will find an interview “The Anglo Saxon Mission.’ The whistleblower concerned was invited to a meeting which he thought was a council meeting and the other people at the meeting assumed he was one of them.

This interview is very informative, illuminating and will help you join the dots. Note that Iran is not the final target here, they are merely part of the plan.
Consider this for a moment.

Since, for example, Norman times, some families in Britain and Europe have built fortunes which have passed down through the generations. With wealth comes power, with power comes influence, Influence facilitates further wealth and power but it also enables influence over government policy, particularly in key areas and influence also sets the boundaries of government decision making.

It is understandable is it not, that these families over the centuries start to take on a ‘born to rule’ belief and become the shadow government over key countries.

Consider also, the industrial development and the technological era has largely been driven from Europe which means its white, Christian and western.

Now consider, there is a kid on the block and he threatens these people

With this in mind, read the article above in the Project Camelot achieve and all will become clear.

reply to post by SeekerofTruth101


Your article contradicts your lying name. No where in the article does it mention Iran being at 20% enriched uranium. The site is lying too. I went through the Khorasan web-site and nowhere does it mention this coming from the horses mouth.

This is propaganda that is trying to get people ready for a coming strike on Iran, yet another Muslim country. This will have great consequences for the world. This will give Muslims a chance to unite under a unifying subject and fight back.