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America's Duty to Venerate and Protect Israel and the Jewish People

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posted on Jan, 8 2012 @ 01:50 PM
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To help stop fanatic muslims who will try to attack the west like in 9/11...
Having such a strong force like the israeli military and intelligence helped the west more they you can ever imagine...




posted on Jan, 8 2012 @ 01:50 PM
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He could be a douche bag. But why would he?

Douche baggery is only in effect when someone wants to be the forced leader of all. If he is God, he already is. What does he care?



posted on Jan, 8 2012 @ 01:51 PM
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We were attacked because we wanted a powerful defense in the middle east.

This is circular failogic. Were you never there to begin with, nobody would be starting a war.



posted on Jan, 8 2012 @ 01:51 PM
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Originally posted by Gorman91
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Why should we need a defense in the middle east.


He means US is the only shield protecting Israel in Middle east. He blames Muslims, but would you blame muslims for being so mad after giving a few beggars a new place to live with food and shelter and next thing you know the beggar is holding a gun to your head forcing you out of your own house?
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posted on Jan, 8 2012 @ 01:53 PM
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Originally posted by ZionSteel
Support those politicians who support Israel and the Jewish people, of whatever party. Reject anti-Semites such as Ron “crazy old angy man” Paul.


The fact that you call him an anti-Semite show your actual knowledge of his policy.

Grow up. Take care of yourself.

Do we, as Americans, have to do EVERYTHING for Israel?

It's not that I don't like Jewish people. I just dis-like all those that have a sense of entitlement.

I owe you nothing.

Get over it.



posted on Jan, 8 2012 @ 01:53 PM
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As far as I care, Israel and the Muslim world elected war hawks. This makes their people just as guilty as their leaders....in cases where there were elections.

I see no reason to pity anyone in the region but the very few who keep to themselves and don't get involved.



posted on Jan, 8 2012 @ 01:56 PM
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No you were attacked because the countries in the Middle East are governed by fanatic religious Muslims, dictators and extremists who believe the world should be Muslim.

You are talking about the same countries that still stone women for suspicion of adultery and cut their fingers of for going to school.



posted on Jan, 8 2012 @ 02:00 PM
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phhhhhh anit zoinist yes , anti american/israel no . im am a american . but i see the tail wagging the dog here



posted on Jan, 8 2012 @ 02:06 PM
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You are misguided, like so many others in the USA.
Israel is still by all legal definitions an "illegitemate state", it has never upheld or implemented the requirements needed to ratify its membership of the United Nations.
The USA is bound by international treaties it has signed, to negotiate with Iran.

This blatant attempt by you to "dress" up the possible initiation of war between the USA and Iran is totally unacceptable to most of teh rest of teh world, the UK and France are the only ones who may agree with you.



posted on Jan, 8 2012 @ 02:07 PM
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No you were attacked because the countries in the Middle East are governed by fanatic religious Muslims, dictators and extremists who believe the world should be Muslim. You are talking about the same countries that still stone women for suspicion of adultery and cut their fingers of for going to school.


I care little for what dark age retardation they commit upon their own. It is not a nation's role to say what they can or cannot do.

In fact, what you say is the very thing that caused 9/11


Now let me take you back in time to educate you.

The Second World War has just ended Fascism is on the rise in the middle east. At the same time, the Communists are infiltrating Iraq and other nations, trying to take them over. The monarch asks for US aid, being a powerful ally in the fight against both.


We support him.

We get involved.

Syria-Egypt is countering the Eastern Arabic states, and Israel. They want blood for blood. Because England made Israel, and we were allied to England, and selling our WW2 equipment to Israel. Iraq brakes from England, because they refuse to give Kuwait independence. England is telling Iraq where its borders are and what its country is. Not good.

During this time, the military of Iraq oust the monarch and declare themselves a republic. They refuse border shifts, a union with Jordan, etc etc.

England does the 'ol fu and gives Kuwait independence. Meanwhile, Iraq gets sucked into Kurd wars.

During this, the republic suffers, and its leadership is assassinated, and the Baaths take power. All this BECAUSE of western influence.

The rest, as they say, is history.



Western rule of the middle east triggered people to rise to power. People Hitler himself supported.

It's because we were where we should not have been. It's because we were telling people we set their borders and control them.

9/11 is because England decided who exists, and who does not.

In their oppression, they turned to a mad man, and made themselves in his image.
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posted on Jan, 8 2012 @ 02:08 PM
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do you really think a group of cave dwelling camel jockeys outsmarted the cia/nsa/mi6 ?
it would server your life better to stop with all your group think and look for yourself .
the links to mossad in 9/11 are beyond doubt .

just think , who would best be served by all the anti-Zionist enemy's to be defeated or tamed ?



posted on Jan, 8 2012 @ 02:12 PM
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Originally posted by CountDrac
reply to post by Gorman91
 


To help stop fanatic muslims who will try to attack the west like in 9/11...
Having such a strong force like the israeli military and intelligence helped the west more they you can ever imagine...


So the Saudis are fanatic Muslims? You do know most of the hijackers were from there right? Israels military has not helped us at all and their intel led to the mess known as Iraq. The thing that will help America is to dump the nation of deadbeats like the burden they are.



posted on Jan, 8 2012 @ 02:17 PM
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Now to correct you, Israel's military has actually greatly helped us, as we primarily finance it. In fact we pretty much own it more or less.

The mess known as Iraq was caused by our own intelligence. Not Israel's. We failed.

Furthermore, the idea of Iraq really cannot be said to be the same after the war as it was before the war. It began as a dishonest war, but became an honest pursuit. And we did win that war. What the Iraqis do with their new nation is up to them.

What you have to realize is that Iraq is a lot like Nazi Germany after they lost. And it took 40 years of influence and occupation to make them become what they are today. We've only been in Iraq for 1/4th that. If things keep pace, we could actually have a good nation and ally come out of it.



But that's just looking at the bright side of a very bad move.



posted on Jan, 8 2012 @ 02:18 PM
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The purpose of this thread is to state that the nation of Israel and the Jewish people are indeed Chosen by G_d and that this manifests itself as moral, intellectual, material, and spiritual gifts for the Jewish people and the nation of Israel.
Israel is not a nation. If there was a nation, it would be, Palestine.
The so-called state of Israel is an illegal occupying foreign power who persecutes the true nation and is in conflict with every law against war crimes and crimes against humanity and international treaties, including the one that allowed them into the area to start with, and they are in violation of the United Nations charter and numerous resolutions and only continues as a recognized state by the veto power of the US who will be held accountable to the infinite crimes being perpetrated by it on a daily bases.



posted on Jan, 8 2012 @ 02:21 PM
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we also try to impose our values on the world . shame of us [americans ] have we become so narrow minded that we assume that the rest of the world want to be just like us

let me put it this way , a muslin country conquered the usa and bombed your granny/wife/kids into 1000 pieces , then told you that you must live the way they dictate [Islamic and in the 6th century mind frame]

wouldn't you fight that oppression ?

do you really think a iraqi or afghani give 3 #s for our way of life ? or do you think they prefer the way of life they have know for 1000yrs ?

it is not americas place to be involved in this centuries old mess , nor is it "OUR DUTY" TO SUPPORT ISRAEL .
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posted on Jan, 8 2012 @ 02:24 PM
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I actually do think they want to be like us.

They just don't want to be ruled like us.


Don't be mistaken in your thoughts, as you can become just as narrow minded in the opposite direction.



We support those who fight for freedom. We do not fight their wars for them however. It is that simple.



posted on Jan, 8 2012 @ 02:27 PM
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who's freedom do you refer to sir ? the zoinist ?



posted on Jan, 8 2012 @ 02:29 PM
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Zionism is simply the belief of a Jewish State. On that alone I cannot judge them worthy of support. Do these Zionists support a constitution? The freedom of speech and media of its citizens? I will gladly support them then.

The fabrication of the word Zionism is no difference in ignorance than the fabrication of the word socialist as evil, or the fabrication of the word capitalist as greedy and uncaring
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posted on Jan, 8 2012 @ 02:30 PM
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Originally posted by Gorman91
reply to post by buster2010
 


Now to correct you, Israel's military has actually greatly helped us, as we primarily finance it. In fact we pretty much own it more or less.

The mess known as Iraq was caused by our own intelligence. Not Israel's. We failed.

Furthermore, the idea of Iraq really cannot be said to be the same after the war as it was before the war. It began as a dishonest war, but became an honest pursuit. And we did win that war. What the Iraqis do with their new nation is up to them.

What you have to realize is that Iraq is a lot like Nazi Germany after they lost. And it took 40 years of influence and occupation to make them become what they are today. We've only been in Iraq for 1/4th that. If things keep pace, we could actually have a good nation and ally come out of it.



But that's just looking at the bright side of a very bad move.



The welfare we give Israel only comes back to a certain few and doesn't help the rest of America at all seeing how we sell the weapons to them at a fraction of the cost to the American taxpayer. Iraq may have never happened if not for the bad intel we were given. There was no honest pursuit in Iraq the reason we went in their was for oil.



posted on Jan, 8 2012 @ 02:31 PM
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Originally posted by CountDrac
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You are talking about the same countries that still stone women for suspicion of adultery and cut their fingers of for going to school.




I wonder where did most of the 9/11 hijackers came from and where most of the Sharia law is practiced?

SAUDI ARABIA!

WARNING DISTURBING IMAGES! This is Saudi government officials practicing Sharia law with the police and army watching the show. The same punishment is applied for someone suspected of witchcraft too.


In response US has:


The Obama administration today finalized a $30 billion sale of new Boeing F-15 fighter jets to Saudi Arabia in a deal meant to counteract Iran and support an estimated 50,000 U.S. jobs.


Abc

So the most Islamically extreme country on this planet is best pals with US and Israel?

So what's this whole 'war on terror' business about??

Ahh yes! Saudi has large amount of oil and wahabis have always been best pals with Zionists because the Saudi Wahhabis themselves have Zionist blood in them due to their Zionist ancestry.



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