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posted on Jan, 6 2012 @ 05:10 PM
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I came across this from the Larouche camp,if anyone is familiar with him and his website.

My question is,if China is doing it,why isn't the US and other earthquake prone countries doing it?
We can spend trillions of dollars bailing out banks and such other nonsense,but Obama cancels new tech that can predict earthquakes.

Makes no sense to me.

So,here is the article.


One of the revelations of last week's American Geophysical Union Conference in San Francisco, was the urgency with which China has moved to expand its capabilities in the field of earthquake forecasting, through a network of ground- and space-based sensors for the detection of precursor signals emanating from fault zones.

Some scientists have been studying how measurable precursory signals, including electromagnetic perturbations in the atmosphere and ionosphere, can be used to develop short-term estimates of both the magnitude and location of impending quakes, contrary to the prevailing dogma of traditional seismology. While in San Francisco for the conference, I had the chance to talk to a number of these scientists, almost all of whom are working with little or no support from their respective governments.
China has had an active program for monitoring earthquake precursors for at least two decades, but little was known about such research outside of the country. That's beginning to change, as exchanges between Chinese and international scientists have intensified in recent years.



During a December 6 panel at the AGU conference on “Monitoring of Mega Earthquake Disasters by Integrating Multi-Parameter and Multi-Sensory Observation from Ground and Space,” Xuemin Zhang of the Beijing-based Institute of Earthquake Science reported on China's planned expansion of earthquake precursor monitoring in the years ahead.
While an integrated monitoring system for data from ground-based instruments and foreign satellites was put into operation following the devastating 2008 Wenchuan earthquake, the country's first dedicated earthquake-monitoring satellite, Zhangheng-1, is slated for launch in 2014. Named after the ancient Chinese scientist who invented the world's first seismograph, its main focus will be measuring various physical parameters of the ionosphere, which is known to be sensitive to the processes underlying earthquake preparation. This will be complemented by dozens of new ground-based ionosounding stations to be built over the next five years, and the launch of two more satellites in 2017.



Dimitar Ouzounov, a U.S.-based geophysicist and one of the leaders in earthquake precursor research, says that China's program may be one of the only games in town for the next five years. With the expiration of France's DEMETER (Detection of Electro-Magnetic Emissions Transmitted from Earthquake Regions) in March, and the difficulties in obtaining funding in Europe, Japan and the United Statess—not to mention the outright sabotage of new satellite programs under the Obama Administration—scientists in the field are hoping for close collaboration with their Chinese counterparts.
“They're doing this because they realize that the technology today is affordable, and the science is ready, and needs to be applied,” says Ouzounov, who chaired the AGU session on mega-quake monitoring. “Why China? Because they have the economic potential to put about $100 million into this project. But also because they're not afraid to test new ideas, new methodologies.”

When did we become afraid of new ideas in the U.S.?


Major fail on the part of the USA.

www.larouchepac.com...




posted on Jan, 6 2012 @ 05:42 PM
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A better understanding on what has happened.




Pulled Seismic Warning as American & Russian satellites being pulled & shut down Russian scientists recently found having searched backwards through their Seismic and Electro Magnetic Field monitoring data, found in Retrospect, that we Are Able to predict an Volcanic, Earthquake or Tsunami as happened in Fukushima Japan last month, by monitoring seismic activity using satellite data, watching for Precursors which they now understand would give us an valuable early warning system of possibly weeks in advance, yet, Russia has closed down their Coronas Photon satellite we're being told, due to failure, they could very well be reading it's data "incommunicado", as could the pulled off line or rather "unread" American seismic satellites.

Alas, the US. Government has seen fit to pull satellites, amongst which are DESDynI, shut down in December 2010, GOES-11 pulled Feb. 28, 2011, which we know could & can help predict earthquakes, tsunami, and volcanic seismic activity worldwide, when used for that purpose, trying to understand the interaction of our Galaxy, the Sun, Moon and the Crab Nebula conjoined with Cosmic radiation, with each satellite offering an image of it's particular duty, then cumulatively associated, their data could bringing a global picture of the Earth's Tectonic Plates & Electro Magnetic Field variations that would then enable the prediction of ensuing earthquakes & seismic activity



posted on Jan, 6 2012 @ 05:42 PM
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Originally posted by kdog1982
I came across this from the Larouche camp,if anyone is familiar with him and his website.

My question is,if China is doing it,why isn't the US and other earthquake prone countries doing it?
We can spend trillions of dollars bailing out banks and such other nonsense,but Obama cancels new tech that can predict earthquakes.

Makes no sense to me.

So,here is the article.


One of the revelations of last week's American Geophysical Union Conference in San Francisco, was the urgency with which China has moved to expand its capabilities in the field of earthquake forecasting, through a network of ground- and space-based sensors for the detection of precursor signals emanating from fault zones.

Some scientists have been studying how measurable precursory signals, including electromagnetic perturbations in the atmosphere and ionosphere, can be used to develop short-term estimates of both the magnitude and location of impending quakes, contrary to the prevailing dogma of traditional seismology. While in San Francisco for the conference, I had the chance to talk to a number of these scientists, almost all of whom are working with little or no support from their respective governments.
China has had an active program for monitoring earthquake precursors for at least two decades, but little was known about such research outside of the country. That's beginning to change, as exchanges between Chinese and international scientists have intensified in recent years.



During a December 6 panel at the AGU conference on “Monitoring of Mega Earthquake Disasters by Integrating Multi-Parameter and Multi-Sensory Observation from Ground and Space,” Xuemin Zhang of the Beijing-based Institute of Earthquake Science reported on China's planned expansion of earthquake precursor monitoring in the years ahead.
While an integrated monitoring system for data from ground-based instruments and foreign satellites was put into operation following the devastating 2008 Wenchuan earthquake, the country's first dedicated earthquake-monitoring satellite, Zhangheng-1, is slated for launch in 2014. Named after the ancient Chinese scientist who invented the world's first seismograph, its main focus will be measuring various physical parameters of the ionosphere, which is known to be sensitive to the processes underlying earthquake preparation. This will be complemented by dozens of new ground-based ionosounding stations to be built over the next five years, and the launch of two more satellites in 2017.



Dimitar Ouzounov, a U.S.-based geophysicist and one of the leaders in earthquake precursor research, says that China's program may be one of the only games in town for the next five years. With the expiration of France's DEMETER (Detection of Electro-Magnetic Emissions Transmitted from Earthquake Regions) in March, and the difficulties in obtaining funding in Europe, Japan and the United Statess—not to mention the outright sabotage of new satellite programs under the Obama Administration—scientists in the field are hoping for close collaboration with their Chinese counterparts.
“They're doing this because they realize that the technology today is affordable, and the science is ready, and needs to be applied,” says Ouzounov, who chaired the AGU session on mega-quake monitoring. “Why China? Because they have the economic potential to put about $100 million into this project. But also because they're not afraid to test new ideas, new methodologies.”

When did we become afraid of new ideas in the U.S.?


Major fail on the part of the USA.

www.larouchepac.com...


ok first i want to point out that you mentioned obama not doing this an why he would cancel this type of research.... There are a lot of things that a lot of people question about him and this is the one thing you come up with? LOL

and this is the major fail you point out of the USA? as opposed to obama and all of the other major fails of the USA as of lately?

Oh wow


i agree we should be up there with them... but this is a very discouraging post to read for me.



posted on Jan, 6 2012 @ 05:52 PM
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Makes one wonder if it was done purposely.


Thousands of lives, if not millions of lives in coming times, ( and the past it seems) could well be saved, given early warning, forewarning via the data these satellites could glean, yet around the globe, under cover of "Cutbacks" due to the new fiscal cheek tightening, while throwing £$Billions of covert time & money on creating global fear and control systems. Strangely & Collectively, these Governments decide to do away with the very technology we so desperately need at this time in our Earth's history.

Bottom Line .. We now know these satellites could give early warning of oncoming earthquakes, tsunami & volcanic activity, YET have been pulled in the full knowledge of the facts ! Thanks to: Lyndon LaRouche, Sky Shields & John Hoefle



posted on Jan, 6 2012 @ 05:56 PM
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There have been many fails with the US for quiet awhile,but the purpose of this particular thread is earthquake prediction,or the lack of when it is available.



posted on Jan, 6 2012 @ 07:43 PM
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Excellent Kdog. This confirms a lot of the stuff that we all dug up this past year.

It's not surprising that another country is doing this endeavor. At least someone is. Hopefully we can take advantage of the info they get.



posted on Jan, 6 2012 @ 07:47 PM
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Japan has a system in place... but it can only warn you seconds in advance maybe even minutes...depending on where you are compared to the earthquake's location.

Good on China to do this... everybody should be doing this instead of spending money to build more nukes or missile shields or ``kill some terrorists`` crap.



posted on Jan, 6 2012 @ 07:59 PM
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Hence the need to attack Iran and cut China off from its fuel sources.

It's surpassing Europe/US in Research in a few years.



posted on Jan, 6 2012 @ 08:03 PM
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Very interesting article.
In my opinion, the US is more concerned with technology that causes earthquakes (fracking and Tesla's earthquake machine) than the technology to predict them.



posted on Jan, 6 2012 @ 08:10 PM
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Yeah, and what you wanna bet that only AFTER a major tragedy in Cascadia- which could be catastrophic if big enough- will the US allocate the funding for a program like this.

Even so, there are probably some scientific reasons why there aren't more US programs in the field. Because they are having trouble establishing that there is any link in the first place between quakes and electromagnetic emissions from rock. In some cases there seem to be, but in many more there doesn't.



posted on Jan, 6 2012 @ 08:32 PM
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Originally posted by TrueAmerican
Yeah, and what you wanna bet that only AFTER a major tragedy in Cascadia- which could be catastrophic if big enough- will the US allocate the funding for a program like this.

Even so, there are probably some scientific reasons why there aren't more US programs in the field. Because they are having trouble establishing that there is any link in the first place between quakes and electromagnetic emissions from rock. In some cases there seem to be, but in many more there doesn't.


Well,TA, I respect your knowledge and opinions, but there is a earthquake program in place that the public is not allowed access to.
Only a select few.
The secret ats project that was done here in a hidden thread.
It was thrown into the hoax bin.

Here is the thread,somewhere in there,I will look for it,is the answer.
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Westcoast knows.

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posted on Jan, 6 2012 @ 09:20 PM
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Here is more info on this and earthquake prediction cause I have loads of info on it.


O ur Earth is a restless planet.
Occasionally – quite often, in some regions of the world – the restlessness turns deadly. Of all natural hazards, earthquakes are the most feared. They are feared because they seem to strike so unpredictably. Yet, for centuries, and even millennia, people living in seismically active regions have noted premonitory signals. The historical records talk of changes of the water level in wells, of strange weather, of ground-hugging fog, of unusual behavior of animals (both domestic and wild) that seem to feel the approach of a major earthquake.
With the advent of modern science and technology the list of premonitory signals has become even longer. Among them are
(i) Sporadic emissions of low to ultralowfrequency electromagnetic radiation from the ground
(ii) Occasional local magnetic fi eld anomalies reaching a strength of half a percent of the Earth’s main dipole fi eld
(iii) Changes in the lower atmosphere that are accompanied by the formation of haze and a reduction of moisture in the air
(iv) Large patches, often tens to hundreds of thousands of square kilometers in size, seen in night-time infrared satellite images where the land surface temperature seems to fl uctuate rapidly (v) Passing perturbations in the ionosphere at 90 - 120 km altitude that affect the transmission of radio waves Deciphering these si



solar-center.stanford.edu...



posted on Jan, 6 2012 @ 09:39 PM
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After searching for quiet awhile,I have found the golden nugget.

www.mitp.ru...
I had it in my back pocket.


Although our predictions are intermediate-term and by no means imply a “red alert”, there is a legitimate concern about maintaining necessary confidentiality. We assume that you will take care of it in a standard way distinguishing professional discussion from premature release in the media.


This is the websites statement.
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